WC: USA Roster

[Irishguy42]

Kreider is pumped up and ready to rock.

 

[cagney]

Trocheck is banged up and it goes both ways. If you screw over a guy that should be in the mix multiple times and then return to him when he has pushed through the hurdles to be at the top of the list don't be surprised when he blows you off in return.

I get frustrated with a lot of guys turning them down. Trocheck can do so until he feels like playing after what USA hockey did to him a couple of times.

If he’s got injury issues that’s one thing but all this talk of him being snubbed is a bit ridiculous. The US went to the relegation round that year and then he made the team the following year and won a gold medal. I doubt he’s bitter over any of that at this point considering the way it worked out. If anything I’d figure guys like he and Galchenyuk would be more fond of international play after the experience but I guess not.

 

[William H Bonney]

The problem with making excuses for a guy like Trocheck is that USAH needs to draw a line in the sand. Is Trocheck legitimately banged up and needs rest? Maybe. He’d also get 3+ weeks off before the tournament. But he declined the invite, for the 4th year running, and he should be held accountable for that by USAH. It’s the risk a player takes by not playing when they’re available. If you always put it off for next year, you may end up with a legitimate excuse (injury, nhl playoffs, wedding kid, etc.) and now you’re chronically absent.

Trocheck’s a great player, but right now he’s a great player that couldn’t apparently care less about representing USAH. That should be a consideration when the time comes and the tournament matters enough to interest him.

 

[AmericanDream]

The problem with making excuses for a guy like Trocheck is that USAH needs to draw a line in the sand. Is Trocheck legitimately banged up and needs rest? Maybe. He’d also get 3+ weeks off before the tournament. But he declined the invite, for the 4th year running, and he should be held accountable for that by USAH. It’s the risk a player takes by not playing when they’re available. If you always put it off for next year, you may end up with a legitimate excuse (injury, nhl playoffs, wedding kid, etc.) and now you’re chronically absent.

Trocheck’s a great player, but right now he’s a great player that couldn’t apparently care less about representing USAH. That should be a consideration when the time comes and the tournament matters enough to interest him.

Can't agree more.

Trocheck is a great player, I will root for him in whatever he does and hope he wears the "C" in Florida, but at some point he has to show up for team USA, and sorry he had to play for team North America but that doesn't count.

Like you said, he has 3 weeks off to heal, you have Kane, Kreider, and Larkin already on board...he would have been a top line center here if he comes...I just don't get it. If a guy like Gaudreau comes and plays with his father's situation, and Trocheck couldn't muster coming once in almost four years, tells you all you need to know.

Trocheck is starting to enter Umberger territory just minus the "degree".

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Trocheck is banged up and it goes both ways. If you screw over a guy that should be in the mix multiple times and then return to him when he has pushed through the hurdles to be at the top of the list don't be surprised when he blows you off in return.

I get frustrated with a lot of guys turning them down. Trocheck can do so until he feels like playing after what USA hockey did to him a couple of times.

Other than the 2012 cut what else has USA hockey done to Trocheck ?

Just curious...

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

The problem with making excuses for a guy like Trocheck is that USAH needs to draw a line in the sand. Is Trocheck legitimately banged up and needs rest? Maybe. He’d also get 3+ weeks off before the tournament. But he declined the invite, for the 4th year running, and he should be held accountable for that by USAH. It’s the risk a player takes by not playing when they’re available. If you always put it off for next year, you may end up with a legitimate excuse (injury, nhl playoffs, wedding kid, etc.) and now you’re chronically absent.

Trocheck’s a great player, but right now he’s a great player that couldn’t apparently care less about representing USAH. That should be a consideration when the time comes and the tournament matters enough to interest him.

Checks and balances. It is all good and well for USA hockey to do some things because somebody went and played junior. But how dare that come back to haunt them. This isn't the Olympics. There are guys out there that have some legitimate beef with some of the players at USA Hockey over the years.

I wish the American NHL guys took this more seriously. I wish more guys wanted to play, I wish all of them wanted to play. Honestly I think something that would help that is if the IIHF didn't almost always keep it in Europe which I know the reasons for, but I am entitled to not like either.

Also where are you going to go with this because the hey lets punish everyone isn't going to happen either. Matthews couldn't bothered last year, Eichel I think understandably after injuries he has suffered is not coming this year but hey lets punish them... Well we would never do that, so what you're championing is punishment for our non-top tier talents.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Other than the 2012 cut what else has USA hockey done to Trocheck ?

Just curious...

Trocheck moved to play his hockey right in front of the USMNTDP and was snubbed repeatedly. Then they screwed him out of a WJC roster spot while he was leading the OHL in scoring.

Again there is also the fact he hasn't been practicing and is hurt. But are you going to go play somewhat banged up for a group that traditionally hasn't had your back. Hey it is the pretty girl that pays attention to you after a growth spurt, thanks a lot but I remember who you were before this....

There are guys that have a legitimate beef. If Bobby Ryan is upset that USA hockey drug his name through the mud, so be it. Not all of these guys have baseless claims. Not all of them deserve to the subject of consternation. Somebody having a sick girlfriend that needs support isn't a bs excuse. It is appalling at times the reaction to this, it is like they kicked your dog or something.

I want these guys to come for USA Hockey. I love USA Hockey. However, we need a lot of changes. Kane coming is one of those big moments. Hopefully they can bury the hatchet with a few guys. I think again that is where if I wasn't being asked to fly half way around the world to play every year might be nice as well. The IIHF could help us. But when 19 year olds blow off the process because they are too big for it, maybe it is time we ask what USA Hockey is doing wrong here as well, not just vilify the players. It is no secret the Hockey Canada guys are treated at a much higher level during the event. I understand the money behind that, but why isn't USA Hockey hitting up some people to try and correct that?

 

[William H Bonney]

Checks and balances. It is all good and well for USA hockey to do some things because somebody went and played junior. But how dare that come back to haunt them. This isn't the Olympics. There are guys out there that have some legitimate beef with some of the players at USA Hockey over the years.

I wish the American NHL guys took this more seriously. I wish more guys wanted to play, I wish all of them wanted to play. Honestly I think something that would help that is if the IIHF didn't almost always keep it in Europe which I know the reasons for, but I am entitled to not like either.

Also where are you going to go with this because the hey lets punish everyone isn't going to happen either. Matthews couldn't bothered last year, Eichel I think understandably after injuries he has suffered is not coming this year but hey lets punish them... Well we would never do that, so what you're championing is punishment for our non-top tier talents.

You don’t have any proof for your first angle, from whether USAH punished him for playing in the OHL to whether that’s even a consideration for Trocheck’s decision, so none of that is relevant.

I never said USAH should punish a player for not playing once. I said they should punish guys that continually couldn’t care less. No, you don’t leave Matthews or Eichel home for skipping the occasional WC. They actually show up for them on occasion. But guys like Pacioretty or Trocheck or Galchenyuk that can’t be bothered should have to answer for that when it comes time for USAH to choose the type of team (Olympics, World Cup) they’d be willing to play for. Not that USAH won’t screw up the roster anyway, but they haven’t been winning best-on-best tournaments by ignoring player decisions on WC participation anyway, so they have little to lose by trying to foster some pride and competition in the program at the senior level.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

You don’t have any proof for your first angle, from whether USAH punished him for playing in the OHL to whether that’s even a consideration for Trocheck’s decision, so none of that is relevant.

I never said USAH should punish a player for not playing once. I said they should punish guys that continually couldn’t care less. No, you don’t leave Matthews or Eichel home for skipping the occasional WC. They actually show up for them on occasion. But guys like Pacioretty or Trocheck or Galchenyuk that can’t be bothered should have to answer for that when it comes time for USAH to choose the type of team (Olympics, World Cup) they’d be willing to play for. Not that USAH won’t screw up the roster anyway, but they haven’t been winning best-on-best tournaments by ignoring player decisions on WC participation anyway, so they have little to lose by trying to foster some pride and competition in the program at the senior level.

Galchenyuk has showed up, heck he played a pivotal part in us winning a medal.

Cake and eat it too guys/gals.

The World Championship isn't a big event here. How do we make it a bigger event here? That is what I want to fix, sniping the guys that don't show up isn't a great angle we have been trying that for two decades. Maybe we should switch gears. Our are guys staying in the nicest hotels, are they doing up everything awesome for their families. We are on their job vacations time after all, especially since modern NHL players that aren't in the playoffs begin heavy workouts in June these days to gain an edge on the guys still grinding through.

Also you don't have any proof that they didn't, so that is a pot kettle situation. I can go ahead and PM you if you need further satisfaction.

Again I am a massive fan of almost every poster that talks USA Hockey. But I have to ask where are we getting trying to crucify the guys that don't answer the call? Why aren't we asking why USA Hockey still has this problem? Canada has been getting a lot more buy-in what are they doing different?

But fine let's cut off our nose to spite our face in selecting the Olympic team (not really a big concern probably) or World Cup where guys are extremely likely to play because hey they don't have to cross an ocean and hey the NHL puts them and their families up in spectacular accommodations.... Maybe that helps.

I am a realist. These guys love to play hockey, what are we doing wrong because at this point we are doing something wrong in my opinion.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I like a lot of you hope to hear some of the bigger names left out there do commit in the coming days.

I just think we need to start thinking of other ways to make players want to commit to this thing. I get the love of country thing and it pulls at a ton of us. But I am not in this situation either so it is easy to say how I would feel. I think we need to do more, place a premium on this tournament no matter how uncomfortable that makes the NHL. USA Hockey has a table scraps mentality should we honestly be surprised when it plays out that way?

 

[William H Bonney]

Galchenyuk has showed up, heck he played a pivotal part in us winning a medal.

Cake and eat it too guys/gals.

The World Championship isn't a big event here. How do we make it a bigger event here? That is what I want to fix, sniping the guys that don't show up isn't a great angle we have been trying that for two decades. Maybe we should switch gears. Our are guys staying in the nicest hotels, are they doing up everything awesome for their families. We are on their job vacations time after all, especially since modern NHL players that aren't in the playoffs begin heavy workouts in June these days to gain an edge on the guys still grinding through.

Also you don't have any proof that they didn't, so that is a pot kettle situation. I can go ahead and PM you if you need further satisfaction.

Again I am a massive fan of almost every poster that talks USA Hockey. But I have to ask where are we getting trying to crucify the guys that don't answer the call? Why aren't we asking why USA Hockey still has this problem? Canada has been getting a lot more buy-in what are they doing different?

But fine let's cut off our nose to spite our face in selecting the Olympic team (not really a big concern probably) or World Cup where guys are extremely likely to play because hey they don't have to cross an ocean and hey the NHL puts them and their families up in spectacular accommodations.... Maybe that helps.

I am a realist. These guys love to play hockey, what are we doing wrong because at this point we are doing something wrong in my opinion.

Galchenyuk showed up once. That was great. He’s basically been available every year since then and hasn’t bothered.

We have talked about what Canada does differently. About the only thing USAH can do now to emulate Canada is implement accountability, which is what we’re suggesting.

It’s not on me to disprove a claim you made. Offer tangible evidence for your claim, otherwise it’s irrelevant.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

I like a lot of you hope to hear some of the bigger names left out there do commit in the coming days.

I just think we need to start thinking of other ways to make players want to commit to this thing. I get the love of country thing and it pulls at a ton of us. But I am not in this situation either so it is easy to say how I would feel. I think we need to do more, place a premium on this tournament no matter how uncomfortable that makes the NHL. USA Hockey has a table scraps mentality should we honestly be surprised when it plays out that way?

I’m not suprised because there are so many circumstances as to why players don’t go. And unfortunately, Ryan is a good example, why some NHL players aren’t too happy with USA hockey.

 

[SK94]

Of course i would love to see that best players would always accept an invitation but i also understad why they do not always come. That is why i think this tournament should not be played every year. This tournament is pretty popular in Europe but there is always many european players also who does not show up. Biggest reason why this tournament is so small in North America and also biggest reason why players decline call ups is the time of the tournament. In Soccer World Cup is only once in four years. They should do the same in hockey. But yes i know its not possible because NHL did not allow players even to the olympics. NHL and IIHF should cooperate with the World Cup but it will never happen.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Of course i would love to see that best players would always accept an invitation but i also understad why they do not always come. That is why i think this tournament should not be played every year. This tournament is pretty popular in Europe but there is always many european players also who does not show up. Biggest reason why this tournament is so small in North America and also biggest reason why players decline call ups is the time of the tournament. In Soccer World Cup is only once in four years. They should do the same in hockey. But yes i know its not possible because NHL did not allow players even to the olympics. NHL and IIHF should cooperate with the World Cup but it will never happen.

I would say the biggest reason the tournament is so small in North America is it has been hosted in North America a whopping 4 times since 1920. Canada has hosted it once (2008) and the United States has hosted it 3 times with the last time being in 1962, the other two are actually Winter Olympic games that counted as the World Championship for that year.

I don't care if the NHL playoffs are happening say whatever you want but that is pathetic. That an event of this nature has traveled to one of the biggest areas of participation twice in 100 years since we know where the next five are anyway that is a safe statement. It is high time the IIHF stops whining about nobody in NA taking this seriously since they don't take us seriously as a place to host. I hope the NHL World Cup isn't this shortsighted and actually includes European host cities more frequently than once every five decades.

 

[AmericanDream]

I would say the biggest reason the tournament is so small in North America is it has been hosted in North America a whopping 4 times since 1920. Canada has hosted it once (2008) and the United States has hosted it 3 times with the last time being in 1962, the other two are actually Winter Olympic games that counted as the World Championship for that year.

I don't care if the NHL playoffs are happening say whatever you want but that is pathetic. That an event of this nature has traveled to one of the biggest areas of participation twice in 100 years since we know where the next five are anyway that is a safe statement. It is high time the IIHF stops whining about nobody in NA taking this seriously since they don't take us seriously as a place to host. I hope the NHL World Cup isn't this shortsighted and actually includes European host cities more frequently than once every five decades.

that is the trade off so the WJC can be held in North America every other year..

 

[jj cale]

that is the trade off so the WJC can be held in North America every other year..

Except they aren't making any trade off, the w.j.c could be held in N.A only once every 4 years or once every ten years for that matter and the WHC would still be where it is every single year...................in Europe.

There was never any deal between Hockey Canada/U.S.A that a deal such as this was agreed upon, not that I am aware of anyway, maybe I missed something and you can enlighten me on this, I am all ears, I don't mind being wrong.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

that is the trade off so the WJC can be held in North America every other year..

Which one of these tournaments would you say is more popular in NA? Maybe they should think of alternating NA in as often as they do the European countries in the WJC also if we want to call that trade off fair....

 

[AmericanDream]

Except they aren't making any trade off, the w.j.c could be held in N.A only once every 4 years or once every ten years for that matter and the WHC would still be where it is every single year...................in Europe.

There was never any deal between Hockey Canada/U.S.A that a deal such as this was agreed upon, not that I am aware of anyway, maybe I missed something and you can enlighten me on this, I am all ears, I don't mind being wrong.

official/not official it is the truth. Hockey Canada and USA Hockey wants the WJC more than any World Championships - that is what they want and that is what they get hence the trade off of rarely asking to host one.

 

[jj cale]

official/not official it is the truth. Hockey Canada and USA Hockey wants the WJC more than any World Championships - that is what they want and that is what they get hence the trade off of rarely asking to host one.

I don't think it is the truth at all.

This having it in N.A every other year has come about only recently, before this came down it was rotated between Europe and N.A on an equitable basis and during all that time where was the WHC always held? that's right...................in europe.


So where was the trade off? There hasn't been any, the IIHF did not work that deal so they could keep holding the WHC in europe because there wasn't and isn't any threat that it was going to be held in North America any more often then it ever was, which is practically never. They did it for the same reason they always have and continue to have the WHC in europe every year.....................more interest and thus more money for them.

Thats the truth. There was no trade off.

You don't really think the I.I.HF was going to start having the W.H.C in north america more often if the W.J.C was held in europe more often do you? they can't even get a bid any year from North america for the W.H.C. They didn't need to make a deal based on any of that stuff..............it was a deal to have the W.J.C held in north America every other year based on the money/interest bottom line, nothing else.

The W.H.C didn't even figure into it.

 

[1Gold Standard]

official/not official it is the truth. Hockey Canada and USA Hockey wants the WJC more than any World Championships - that is what they want and that is what they get hence the trade off of rarely asking to host one.

there was no trade off WJHC for not hosting WHC. The fact that the WJHC is in Canada every 2 years is for 1 reason and 1 reason only - $$$$$$. and that's only recent history.

way back in the day when Hockey Canada and the IIHF were at war over the question of professional (NHL) vs. non professional participation at IIHF events, part of the settlement for NHL player participation was that Canada would not host or would not seek to host the WHC. USA was/is an unlikely destination due to overall fan interest.

So, from Canada's perspective, it was like not conceding anything at all. Due to logistical reasons Canadian cities really can't host this event anyway...unless the IIHF wants to go to Quebec City every five years. nobody wants that. 2008 was a 1 off. It takes up to 2 years to prepare to host the event...and no Canadian NHL city can or would commit to that 2 years in advance, not even Edmonton.

that all went down over 40 years ago, and I'm sure that today the IIHF would welcome Hockey Canada making bids to host the tournament, but minus the interest on a local level (bid cities) Hockey Canada will not pursue hosting the WHC other than for major historical dates of significance - if 2008 was to mark the 100 year anniversary of hockey in Canada, perhaps we'll host the event in 2033 to commemorate 125 years of hockey in Canada.

but to get back on topic....any new additions for Team USA?

 

[SK94]

I think they would have already announced Keller if he was coming.

 

[scotian1]

Don't forget Canada hosted the World Championships in 2008, shared between Halifax and Quebec City.

 

[AmericanDream]

this is actually pretty much the "easiest" prelim schedule I have seen for team USA in some time. Outside of Canada to start it off, only Finland will give this team any real challenge regardless of what NHLers we select at this point. Germany and Denmark will put on a good fight, but honestly I am optimistic that we will get a top seeding here which absolutely is huge for the quarterfinals..

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What is the roster looking like ? Is there an outside chance Colin White gets an invite?

 

[SK94]

As expected Brady Skjei said yesterday that he will not come this year. It was tough sophomore season for him and he is without contract.

Kevin Hayes said that he was not sure yet about playing in the Worlds.

"I enjoy playing in it," DeKeyser said just before the end of the season. "If they call me, I'd have to think about it and see where I'm at. March was a long month on the road. I'll have to make a decision if they call me." So he has not even been asked.

Updated list:
Goalies (Least One NHL game this season)
Jon Gillies? (RFA)
Scott Darling?
Charlie Lindgren?
Craig Anderson? (Really suprised if he is coming)
Al Montoya?
Ben Bishop (Injured)
Jimmy Howard (Declined)
Mike Condon (Injured)
Thatcher Demko (AHL Playoffs?)
Mike McKenna (AHL Playoffs)
Collin Delia (AHL Playoffs)
Adam Wilcox (AHL Playoffs)

D
Connor Murphy
Keith Yandle?
Justin Faulk?
Noah Hanifin? (RFA)
Jaccob Slavin?
Nick Leddy?
Alex Goligoski?
Trevor van Riemsdyk? (RFA)
Danny DeKeyser?
Nick Jensen?
Neal Pionk?
Christian Wolanin?
Stephen Johns? (RFA)
Scott Mayfield?
Greg Pateryn? (UFA)
Mike Reilly?
Ian McCoshen?
Rob O'Gara? (RFA)
Jordan Oesterle?
Blake Hillman?
Jordan Schmaltz? (RFA)
Mitch Reinke?
Matt Bartkowski? (UFA)
Pat Sieloff? (RFA)
Chris Butler?
Keegan Lowe?
Erik Burgdoerfer?
Kevin Shattenkirk (Injured)
Jeff Petry (Declined)
Brady Skjei (Declined)
Brett Pesce (Injured)
Jake McCabe (Injured)
Zach Bogosian (Injured)
Casey Nelson (AHL Playoffs)
Tony DeAngelo (Injured)
Chris Wideman (Injured)
Steven Kampfer (Injured)
Zach Redmond (AHL Playoffs)
Matt Tennyson (AHL Playoffs)
Brian Lashoff (AHL Playoffs)

F
Dylan Larkin
Patrick Kane
Alex DeBrincat
Chris Kreider
Casey Mittelstadt
Johnny Gaudreau
Clayton Keller?
Nick Schmaltz?
Bobby Ryan?
Kyle Okposo?
Nick Bjugstad?
Kevin Hayes?
Christian Fischer?
Justin Abdelkader?
Jimmy Vesey? (RFA)
Tyler Pitlick?
Adam Gaudette?
Derek Ryan? (UFA)
Colin White?
Frank Vatrano? (RFA)
Josh Archibald?
Tage Thompson?
Jason Poiminville?
Garnet Hathaway?
Boo Nieves?
Vinnie Lettieri?
Lee Stempniak? (UFA)
Luke Glendening?
Nolan Stevens?
Max McCormick?
Nick Shore? (RFA)
Connor Brickley?
Shane Prince? (RFA)
Michael McCarron? (RFA)
Chris Wagner? (UFA)
Nic Dowd? (RFA)
Beau Bennett? (UFA)
Paul Carey? (UFA)
Jordan Nolan? (UFA)
Luke Witkowski?
David Booth? (UFA)
Chase Balisy?
Wade Megan? (UFA)
Steven Fogarty? (RFA)
Jim O'Brien?
Jack Eichel (Declined)
Vincent Trocheck (Declined)
Alex Galchenyuk (Declined)
Anders Lee (Declined)
Brock Boeser (Injured)
Matthew Tkachuk (Injured)
Derek Stepan (Injured)
Christian Dvorak (Injured)
Max Pacioretty (Declined)
Brock Nelson (Declined)
Ryan Dzingel (Declined)
Brandon Saad (Declined)
Vinnie Hinostroza (Injured)
John Hayden (AHL Playoffs)
Tanner Kero (AHL Playoffs)
Daniel O'Regan (AHL Playoffs)
Justin Bailey (AHL Playoffs)
Hudson Fasching (AHL Playoffs)
Kyle Criscuolo (AHL Playoffs)
Dominic Turgeon (AHL Playoffs)
Reid Boucher (AHL Playoffs)
Taylor Motte (AHL Playoffs)
Jayson Megna (AHL Playoffs)