Management UPDATE: Steve Staios GM and POHO, Dave Poulin Senior VP of Hockey Operations

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Thé Dorion defenders using the tiny bit of runway they have left to get their frustrations out for defending a complete donkey GM for so many years, doing the classic equivalence test as in Staois and Dorian are the same.
 

RickyLafleur

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I was just saying that I think their GM got a good return on that trade. I think Cheveldayoff is sneaky smart.
I wasn't comparing it to the Tarasenko trade. I am impressed with how Winnipeg finished last season with a lot of turmoil and how they have turned it around quickly. I am hoping we can turn things around for next season.
How will they turn it around? They will have the same roster minus Norris and Tarasenko, no prospects, no goaltending, Giroux will be one year older, and more frustrated than ever before.
 

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How will they turn it around? They will have the same roster minus Norris and Tarasenko, no prospects, no goaltending, Giroux will be one year older, and more frustrated than ever before.
Staios and company are going to have to figure out the mess they have inherited. They should have some salary cap room with the Norris contract and tarasenko contract and hopefully Chychrun contract and hopefully the kubalik contract and Brannstrom contract. And maybe even 1 or 2 other contracts. Plus the money from Bobby Ryan and matt murray. Staois and the management group have been apparently watching closelyand doing their research and hopefully they know who to grt rid of........oe else yes we are doomed. I agree the situation looks bleak but I am trying to be optimistic. I just can't wait for the deadline day to be overwith and see where we stand. I think moving on from Chabot would be good but seems unlikely. We have to hope Korpi just had an off year and that next year he will be better and maybe with a new dcore that will help our plight.The dcore is too soft. Too many fancy Dan floaters back there. No hitters back on defence is a recipe for disaster and we have seen our soft dcore get exposed on a nightly basis.
 
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Sorry, I meant hamstrung the team as far as trading him as an asset at the deadline. Dorion took a risk. I do think that there was value in the contract. I think Tarasenko's presence did a lot of good for the younger players and he contributed well. I blamed Dorion for giving out the full NTC. Maybe he had planned all along to flip Tarasenko at the deadline if the team was not in the playoffs and had already discussed this with MGMT that it would be difficult and would result in a diminished return? Who knows?
I don't think Staios can be blamed for this trade. The return is due to Dorion giving out the NTC. BUT, if that was the cost of having a Cup winner mentor the younger players for five months, it's not so bad.
Ok, I think the language of blaming Dorion is a bit harsh in this case, as you said, they may have signed the contract knowing full well the return would be hamstrung and been fine with that since the alternative was not getting anything, I'm not thrilled with the return, but I don't blame Staios or Dorion, it was just a cost of doing business, you either sacrifice a future return by giving him the NMC or don't have him at all.

I might not have targeted Tarasenko given that we'd acquired Kubalik who is useless in the bottom 6 and frankly I expected to be more productive in a scoring role than he has been, maybe had we gotten a cheaper energy/grinding player that's suited for bottom 6 play or a Defensive minded D that could play the right side, we'd have been better off, but I do think Tank worked out really well, fit in to the locker room and was a net positive in his short time here, all the best to him moving on, and while I'm not thrilled with the idea of rooting for the Panthers, I'll be hoping he at least finds success there since imo he was a real pro while here.
 
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Are you enjoying this? This is Dorions mess. It's absolutely hilarious to me Dorion defenders think this is their gotcha moment. DORION GAVE TARASENKO THE NMC. This is his roster this is his last place team.
Easy to say now… but obviously we wanted Tarasenko at all costs because “we were a playoff team”
 

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spell check, I need to set the keyboard to Canada English.. I am too lazy. I may also need to set the spelling, etc. to Canadian English.

I use French and English regularly, so I am constantly changing settings. It is a pain in the ass.. make that Hass.

Tnuoc.. I thought that you were one of those rednecks that worship Americana culture!!!!!

In either case, we should all be using Algonquian .. And Ottawa is Odawa (tell him @Relapsing )
I suddenly feel like posting Canadian heritage minutes. Odawa predates Ottawa by only a few thousand years or so. But I'm pretty sure Ottawa is permissible these days buddy.

It's pretty funny to me when people in a multi cultural society does the whole American vs Canadian spelling thing... While using a language that constantly adds new words and new definitions to old words. Webster's added 690 new words, phrases and acronyms in 2023!

Colour vs color: Who gives a shit. We all know what word is being used.

Years ago I worked for a company that used mid Atlantic spelling in its publications and boy did we get ripped by people on either side of the border for it. Some people get real uppity about it for some reason.
 
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How will they turn it around? They will have the same roster minus Norris and Tarasenko, no prospects, no goaltending, Giroux will be one year older, and more frustrated than ever before.
Complete focus on fixing the D and goaltending. I'd be fine with them trotting out the same forwards if we have a natural right handed dman on one of the top two pairings and a real goaltender.
 
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Staios and company are going to have to figure out the mess they have inherited. They should have some salary cap room with the Norris contract and tarasenko contract and hopefully Chychrun contract and hopefully the kubalik contract and Brannstrom contract. And maybe even 1 or 2 other contracts. Plus the money from Bobby Ryan and matt murray. Staois and the management group have been apparently watching closelyand doing their research and hopefully they know who to grt rid of........oe else yes we are doomed. I agree the situation looks bleak but I am trying to be optimistic. I just can't wait for the deadline day to be overwith and see where we stand. I think moving on from Chabot would be good but seems unlikely. We have to hope Korpi just had an off year and that next year he will be better and maybe with a new dcore that will help our plight.The dcore is too soft. Too many fancy Dan floaters back there. No hitters back on defence is a recipe for disaster and we have seen our soft dcore get exposed on a nightly basis.
Isn't it easier just to look at CapFriendly versus list players not under contract next year? CapFriendly takes care of all these details making it unnecessary to list the players not under contract (hence irrelevant to the topic of next year's cap hit).

The Senators have $12,815,953 of projected cap space with just 14 players signed. That means they need to sign 7 - 9 players with that $12.8 m.

Yes, LTIR is a variable but if let's say Norris were to get healthy during the year he could come off LTIR.

I've never understood the rational for listing the players whose contracts will expire and the retain/buyout money that will expire. Just a quick glance at CapFriendly will tell you how much cap space the team has which will obviate the need to type a bunch of redundant info.

 
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HoweHullOrr

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Tarasenko was here to maximize his value in the upcoming UFA year after last year's cap crunch.


That was very clear from the outset.
Staois had no leverage and had to play the hand he was dealt. Tarasenko wanted to end up in Florida where his family lived and he had a NTC. Staois got what he could from Florida who was the only team Staois could trade Tarasenko to. Ottawa became a temporary, 1 year employer because better multi-year contracts were not offered to him last summer.

In retrospect, it's not surprising I suppose. About the only thing that was ultimately surprising was that his family was in Florida. I don't recall hearing anything about that until very recently.
 

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Again east to say now… Joseph had a shitty year, lots wanted him gone
You didn't answer the question. Your obvious deflection was easy to say & see.

Yeah, that was a weird take. No one wanted to take Joseph from us in the offseason. We got stupid lucky he turned it around this year.
That response was a deflection and irrelevant to the question that was asked though.
 

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Yeah, that was a weird take. No one wanted to take Joseph from us in the offseason. We got stupid lucky he turned it around this year.
That's just not true. Some of us advocated for not trading a guy when he's at the bottom of his value but waiting to see some improvement. Now would actually be a great time to trade him since he looks like such a great value contract. It's not luck that he turned it around, it was expected. The only aspect of surprise might be to the extent of the turnaround but it's not like this came out of nowhere.
 

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That response was a deflection and irrelevant to the question that was asked though.
I haven't gone back through the replies but you did bring up Joseph... If the question is why were we trying to jettison him, then the answer is because he was bad the year before.
That's just not true. Some of us advocated for not trading a guy when he's at the bottom of his value but waiting to see some improvement. Now would actually be a great time to trade him since he looks like such a great value contract. It's not luck that he turned it around, it was expected. The only aspect of surprise might be to the extent of the turnaround but it's not like this came out of nowhere.
Then 31 GMs are morons for not giving us peanuts for him when we IIRC were actively shopping him last year. Seeing as how it was expected and all.

Otherwise yes, we should trade him now.
 

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I haven't gone back through the replies but you did bring up Joseph... If the question is why were we trying to jettison him, then the answer is because he was bad the year before.

Then 31 GMs are morons for not giving us peanuts for him when we IIRC were actively shopping him last year. Seeing as how it was expected and all.

Otherwise yes, we should trade him now.
To be more precise, I asked why we were in the position of having to move a player (i.e., any player including Joseph) & whose fault it was that we were in this position.

It seems like some people want to forget about the events that led us to certain situations. There's lots of reasons why we were in this position - bad signings, dead cap, etc. and we all know who was in charge when these moves were made. The response that was provided didn't answer the question and was pure deflection. Pretty typical.
 
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If Staios was being honest he'd say, "This team is bad and isn't close. I'm going to have to move out quite a few other players over the next 12-18 months to reset this whole thing. I'm sure the Twitter crowd, who think everyone is great except for Hamonic, will freak out. Tarasenko was a stupid signing and I got what I could, people are out to lunch if they think he had a lot more value. Hopefully we lose games down the stretch so I have a better pick in June."
Not sure the situation is that dire. A good, top 4 D, a goalie and a good coach are the big needs. A more measured approach would seem possible and likely more meritorious. It seemed odd that new users have appeared recently to share their expertise.
 

HoweHullOrr

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This board is hilarious. The asset managers complained about how Dorion wasted assets. Now with Staios they are saying we should have kept him rather than take the assets that were available.
Yes, the amount of hand wringing, consternation and panic the Tarasenko trade has caused is rather amusing & enigmatic.
 

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trading joseph would be dumb.

we need more Joseph's not less and we need our star players to play more like Joseph.
 

PlayOn

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trading joseph would be dumb.

we need more Joseph's not less and we need our star players to play more like Joseph.
Honestly, I think it depends on the return. If all you can get is a pick, then obviously you don’t trade him.

But if the Sens don’t see him in their long-term plans for contract reasons then dealing him when you have complete leverage as a piece to fill another need isn’t a bad idea. He’s exactly what we need up front but we have a lot of needs. I’d like to see some more creative gm’ing than selling off players approaching UFA and trading every pick we own to upgrade the team with a big name.
 

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Honestly, I think it depends on the return. If all you can get is a pick, then obviously you don’t trade him.

But if the Sens don’t see him in their long-term plans for contract reasons then dealing him when you have complete leverage as a piece to fill another need isn’t a bad idea. He’s exactly what we need up front but we have a lot of needs. I’d like to see some more creative gm’ing than selling off players approaching UFA and trading every pick we own to upgrade the team with a big name.

he still has 2 more years so if it comes to that we have plenty of time to trade him for a good return. but we need to win as well.

i mean unless the return is getting back 2 josephs or a rd we are just making a hole in order to fill another.
 

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