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It's the fact that he had to say anything in defence of the trade that I'm poking fun at.
Management UPDATE: Steve Staios GM and POHO, Dave Poulin Senior VP of Hockey Operations
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It's the fact that he had to say anything in defence of the trade that I'm poking fun at.
If Staios was being honest he'd say, "This team is bad and isn't close. I'm going to have to move out quite a few other players over the next 12-18 months to reset this whole thing. I'm sure the Twitter crowd, who think everyone is great except for Hamonic, will freak out. Tarasenko was a stupid signing and I got what I could, people are out to lunch if they think he had a lot more value. Hopefully we lose games down the stretch so I have a better pick in June."
He did say today that it’s hard to even place a timeline on this group and when it all comes together as there are so many variables when asked if we should wait til the process is done before casting judgement ie in the offseason. (Paraphrased)
It was a soft way of tempering expectations. Realistically it’s probably going to take 2-3 years for his vision to come together, whatever it is.
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From what I surmise, the "core" Staios has identified is Tkachuk (24), Stützle (22), Pinto (23), Sanderson (21), and Greig (21), plus whoever we draft with our top 7 pick coming up.
With those ages, I imagine the timeline is, "Let's build to be good in 2-3 years".
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Was busy all day, until about 1/2 hour ago….heard about the Trade… 3rd and a 4th….. and thought is was not a fleecing, but instead thought it was underwhelming.
Then I heard Dean Brown Mention the Sens retained 50%…..
Why are people acting like retaining on an upcoming UFA, at the deadline, is worth very much?
It isn't. Retaining on a player with term left requires value. (i.e. if we trade Chycrun and retain some of his salary for next season).
Retaining on an upcoming UFA in March? That's standard practice and required to simply make a trade.
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Mantha brought a second-round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft and a fourth-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft., he had 34 points, not 41 and Caps retained 50%
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June 27, 2023 - 4:35 pm ET
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Now that's how you make a trade! Winnipeg unloaded a loafer like PL Dubois and his lackluster 27 points and his $8.25 million contract until 2031. And you get two players who have put up 50 points and throw in the second round draft pick in 2024.
I know this was done in the summer but Winnipeg's GM is pretty clever.
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Now that's how you make a trade! Winnipeg unloaded a loafer like PL Dubois and his lackluster 27 points and his $8.25 million contract until 2031. And you get two players who have put up 50 points and throw in the second round draft pick in 2024.
I know this was done in the summer but Winnipeg's GM is pretty clever.
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The closer to the deadline, the more return SS could have gotten…. But we’ll never know.
Keeping Tarasneko would have been just as good as what SS got in return by trading today instead of waiting until Friday.
This is on SS.
Mantha is 6'5, can play both wings, could carve out a spot on a 3rd line checking role, and had no trade protection.
Jeff O'Neill and Jason Strudwick just summed up the Tarasenko trade Overdrive. "It's not a high price, but what did you expect? They gave the guy a NMC on a 1 year deal and handcuffed themselves. He controlled the deal."
Winnipeg should be the franchise we try to model tbh. They make smart trades, get value for players that want out, keep their core players and draft well. Nothing flashy but the only way to succeed as a small market team on every players no-trade list.June 27, 2023 - 4:35 pm ET
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- Second-round pick (2024)
- Rasmus Kupari
- Alex Iafallo
- Gabriel Vilardi
Los Angeles Kings
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Now that's how you make a trade! Winnipeg unloaded a loafer like PL Dubois and his lackluster 27 points and his $8.25 million contract until 2031. And you get two players who have put up 50 points and throw in the second round draft pick in 2024.
I know this was done in the summer but Winnipeg's GM is pretty clever.
Keeping Tarasenko would have served zero purpose. The better the draft pick we have in June, the better it is for this organization moving forward.
Trading Tarasenko, shutting down Norris, and potentially moving Chychrun will all help.
This front-office has moved on from thinking this core will turn it around. They're rebuilding.
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Holding out until Friday could have extracted a higher return…. And Tarasenko seemed to want to go to a contender would have agreed to another team if the deadline was looming…… SS did Tarasenko a favour today, when he could have done the Sens a favour by waiting until the deadline
From all reports, Tarasenko was happy to play out the stretch in Ottawa if he was not traded to Florida, and then would have walked away in the summer. He was okay getting an early jump on the offseason.
He had no interest in going to a contender other than the Panthers and even vetoed a trade to Edmonton before today.
Keep in mind he's already won a cup. He's not trying to check that off.
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But he is playing for a contract next year, a strong playoff performance on any contending team would boost his value on the open market.
He's made a lot of money in his career. Maybe getting every last penny on his next deal isn't his main priority. He's got young kids who, apparently, were already living in Ft. Lauderdale before today.
It was up to him. What fans think he "should" have done to get a better contract is irrelevant.
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More like it's on your mancrush Dorion for giving a NTC on a 1 year deal
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Good opening move from Staios. 1 down 22 to go. The more roster turnover the better, help to get rid of the Dorion stink!
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This board is hilarious. The asset managers complained about how Dorion wasted assets. Now with Staios they are saying we should have kept him rather than take the assets that were available.
The repeated comment that Staois is incompetent because he has never been an NHL GM is moronic. Guess who was never a successful NHL GM? Glen Sather, Lou Lamirello, Joe Sakic, Steve Yzerman etc.
I quote: "He had never played, coached or managed in the NHL, and was virtually unknown outside the American college hockey community.Over the next 28 years, Lamoriello presided over one of the most successful rebuilding projects in North American professional sports history."
When Bill Belicheck was hired as HC of the Pats he was a failed HC with a losing record who benefitted from being a coordinator under an all time great HC. I guess the Pats should never have hired him!!
You hire who you think is going to do the best job. Sometimes it's a guy 30 years in, some times it's a rookie. If you have a problem with how Staois has comported himself, feel free to point it out. Compared to chucklehead Dorion it's night and day in terms of professionalism, thus far. And I certainly have more faith in an Andlauer hire than drunken imbecile Uncle Euge.
To add to the idiocy of this argument, how many GMs with long impeccable track records exist in the NHL? How many were available? How many weren't extremely old? How many wanted to come to Ottawa.
It's like saying you don't want Stutzle or Tkachuck, you want Connor McDavid or it's trash.
If you can actually point to things Staois has done that are wrong/things he should have done but didn't, by all means. But the logic being used makes no sense.
I quote: "He had never played, coached or managed in the NHL, and was virtually unknown outside the American college hockey community.Over the next 28 years, Lamoriello presided over one of the most successful rebuilding projects in North American professional sports history."
When Bill Belicheck was hired as HC of the Pats he was a failed HC with a losing record who benefitted from being a coordinator under an all time great HC. I guess the Pats should never have hired him!!
You hire who you think is going to do the best job. Sometimes it's a guy 30 years in, some times it's a rookie. If you have a problem with how Staois has comported himself, feel free to point it out. Compared to chucklehead Dorion it's night and day in terms of professionalism, thus far. And I certainly have more faith in an Andlauer hire than drunken imbecile Uncle Euge.
To add to the idiocy of this argument, how many GMs with long impeccable track records exist in the NHL? How many were available? How many weren't extremely old? How many wanted to come to Ottawa.
It's like saying you don't want Stutzle or Tkachuck, you want Connor McDavid or it's trash.
If you can actually point to things Staois has done that are wrong/things he should have done but didn't, by all means. But the logic being used makes no sense.
