Management UPDATE: Steve Staios GM and POHO, Dave Poulin Senior VP of Hockey Operations

[Loach]

No. @DueDiligence was initially referring to a snap decision. That the correct way to go about it was to take your time and investigate, learn, decide etc.

What I highlighted was the number of people that thought a snap decision would be made in terms of PD and DJ being fired day one and that it only never happened because of the sale delay.

OK

Yes, it will take months to understand everything that's going on. Organizations on the scale of the Senators are complex and include a ton of departments, department heads and staff. There's a ton of organizational bureaucracy to wade through when you're doing a comprehensive review of all practices and standards.

It shouldn't, however, take that long to understand the most pressing issues. Especially when it comes to a professional sports team where decisions come from hierarchies and you can know the key decision makers during the lead-up to the takeover.

It's absolutely ridiculous that everyone knew, with 100% certainty, that they were planning on replacing DJ and Dorion at or before season's end but somehow couldn't have expected to replace them on an accelerated timeline. Only fools let people who are negative assets to an organization continue to operate within the organization because they don't want the perception of acting too quickly. That's actually absurd to even have to say.


In this scenario, who is the we and who are the ones who were telling you?

Do you have a mirror?

 

[Loach]

to be fair, both Andlauer and Staois have talked about their desire not to upend things and promote stability, bringing in support to what already existed.

While I do think it's a valid point to suggest the timing of the sale being finalized made it far less conducive to a complete overhaul, it seems that unless Staois and Andlauer are being a little less than honest, their intentions were always to bolster what was on place and make changes the next offseason.

When did they start talking about stability? Don't think it was at ther first few pressers. Maybe when they got dinged for a first, Pinto got suspended and and DJ couldn't get a win? To apply this scenario of stability to if the team purchase had been finished 2 months earlier stability doesn't fit.

 

[Micklebot]

When did they start talking about stability? Don't think it was at ther first few pressers. Maybe when they got dinged for a first, Pinto got suspended and and DJ couldn't get a win? To apply this scenario of stability to if the team purchase had been finished 2 months earlier stability doesn't fit.

First thing Andlauer talked about was taking time to learn and understand what was needed, then when Staois was hired they talked about providing more support to Dorion. There was never any indication that they wanted to make changes early on, it was always about taking a measured approach.

Is it possible had the sale finalized earlier, what Andlauer learned would have been enough to make changes prior to the season, sure, but he also said many times he was a player first owner, and the players loved their coach. I certainly don't think he came in with a mindset to change it all if not for a drawn out sales process.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Do you have a mirror?

So you don't actually have a real response. Got it.

 

[Loach]

So you don't actually have a real response. Got it.

That was one.

 

[Beech]

He don’t see the fan that we want Roy. But I blame more Staois and Poulin that don’t have the balls to hired Patrick. They were scared.

yes, there you are right.

what Staios was afraid of.... Never hire someone that can replace you..

But to also be faire, maybe Michael A. already has a coaching candidate in mind.. Someone presently working!!!

Roy is a good coach. He may be a better GM.. He wanted Dmen drafted in Colorado. They did not agree. So, he left.. 3 years later, they draft Mackar, Byrom and acquire other Dmen and CUP..

Staios does not need a good coach and a good GM around.. A good coach who is content to be a coach is all that he wants.

 

[Beech]

I see the logic behind Andlauer's moves and I like the guy, he seems down to earth to me.

I think it is likely that Staios will do well with this team. There are a lot of questions about the team and Staios has a lot of work to do.

My main worries are can Staios recognize talent effectively. Can he find a good defensive coach who can replace Martin? Can he hire a scouting staff that recognizes talent? etc.

there is no manual. There has never been. What there is, is: a bit of good luck.

No one saw Kale Makar as Norris (no pun) caliber. Now Colorado will be strong for another 10 years.

A good coach is tricky. One time Jack Adams winners have fizzled. And one time "quickly fired" coaches, have resurfaced as stars. (Sullivan in Pitt, Quenneville in Chicago).

Scouting staff is key.. I believe that this team has been killed by its pro and amature scouts.. This is an area that I hope Staios, either knows what he is doing, or gets lucky.. who care which, as long as we get one.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Yes, it will take months to understand everything that's going on. Organizations on the scale of the Senators are complex and include a ton of departments, department heads and staff. There's a ton of organizational bureaucracy to wade through when you're doing a comprehensive review of all practices and standards.

It shouldn't, however, take that long to understand the most pressing issues. Especially when it comes to a professional sports team where decisions come from hierarchies and you can know the key decision makers during the lead-up to the takeover.

It's absolutely ridiculous that everyone knew, with 100% certainty, that they were planning on replacing DJ and Dorion at or before season's end but somehow couldn't have expected to replace them on an accelerated timeline. Only fools let people who are negative assets to an organization continue to operate within the organization because they don't want the perception of acting too quickly. That's actually absurd to even have to say.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

First thing Andlauer talked about was taking time to learn and understand what was needed, then when Staois was hired they talked about providing more support to Dorion. There was never any indication that they wanted to make changes early on, it was always about taking a measured approach.

Is it possible had the sale finalized earlier, what Andlauer learned would have been enough to make changes prior to the season, sure, but he also said many times he was a player first owner, and the players loved their coach. I certainly don't think he came in with a mindset to change it all if not for a drawn out sales process.

Yes, you’re correct, Plan A was to go forward this season, without making any moves, even though they must have had some preconceptions of what was needed in Ottawa, so leaving everyone in place and just let the season unfold, and allow their preconceptions to be confirmed or changed… Plan A was probably as you laid out…. And make changes, if required, in the off-season when the pool of replacements at key positions was going to be deeper.

So they had no choice but to throw PD from the train, their hand was forced…. and it soon became clear that there was no Plan B in place, when the unexpected happened…. That’s on the rookie POHO, and perhaps a little on the owner(s).

Then it became clear that the coach they wanted to keep for the season, had to go… and just like with the GM, there was no Plan B in place, like there was in Edmonton and other teams…. So a hastily put together Plan C was put into motion…. Appoint an interim, who can no longer go on the ice and run practice, and a reluctant assistant to support the interim coach.

So I was willing to give the (then) Rookie POHO the benefit of the doubt, but once it became clear he had no Plan B, well now he has to really live up to his reputation and get a full time capable head coach in place, and the All Star break is coming up, so perhaps he should consider making some sort of move…. But I am not holding any hope that he’ll do anything substantial until the trade deadline…. so am not impressed with his actions so far, he has ground to make up, and stop waiting until next season to make a bold move.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Yes, you’re correct, Plan A was to go forward this season, without making any moves, even though they must have had some preconceptions of what was needed in Ottawa, so leaving everyone in place and just let the season unfold, and allow their preconceptions to be confirmed or changed… Plan A was probably as you laid out…. And make changes, if required, in the off-season when the pool of replacements at key positions was going to be deeper.

So they had no choice but to throw PD from the train, their hand was forced…. and it soon became clear that there was no Plan B in place, when the unexpected happened…. That’s on the rookie POHO, and perhaps a little on the owner(s).

Then it became clear that the coach they wanted to keep for the season, had to go… and just like with the GM, there was no Plan B in place, like there was in Edmonton and other teams…. So a hastily put together Plan C was put into motion…. Appoint an interim, who can no longer go on the ice and run practice, and a reluctant assistant to support the interim coach.

So I was willing to give the (then) Rookie POHO the benefit of the doubt, but once it became clear he had no Plan B, well now he has to really live up to his reputation and get a full time capable head coach in place, and the All Star break is coming up, so perhaps he should consider making some sort of move…. But I am not holding any hope that he’ll do anything substantial until the trade deadline…. so am not impressed with his actions so far, he has ground to make up, and stop waiting until next season to make a bold move.

Wasn't hiring JM as an advisor creating a plan B?

 

[Micklebot]

Wasn't hiring JM as an advisor creating a plan B?

They also had/have an associate coach with 7 years experience as a HC, as an alternative plan b, or perhaps plan c...

 

[DueDiligence]

He don’t see the fan that we want Roy. But I blame more Staois and Poulin that don’t have the balls to hired Patrick. They were scared.

Maybe Francophone fans wanted Roy. Not so much with all other fans.

 

[Crosside]

Maybe Francophone fans wanted Roy. Not so much with all other fans.

Yeah we all know that Ottawa fan don’t care about French fans. When our building will miss 4000-5000 people , don’t ask why

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Yeah we all know that Ottawa fan don’t care about French fans. When our building will miss 4000-5000 people , don’t ask why

Arrête de niaiser

 

[Relapsing]

Yeah we all know that Ottawa fan don’t care about French fans. When our building will miss 4000-5000 people , don’t ask why

Oh come on now. That's a bit of a stretch.

Some of us just didn't think Roy would be a good fit

 

[DueDiligence]

Yeah we all know that Ottawa fan don’t care about French fans. When our building will miss 4000-5000 people , don’t ask why

Very dumb comment. My point was that Patrick Roy is looked upon like a hockey god by Francophone fans. Every where else he's seen as a great ex player that's an OK coach; like many other guys.

 

[Crosside]

Very dumb comment. My point was that Patrick Roy is looked upon like a hockey god by Francophone fans. Every where else he's seen as a great ex player that's an OK coach; like many other guys.

Ok fair enough. Maybe you could have posted like this the first time

 

[DueDiligence]

Ok fair enough. Maybe you could have posted like this the first time

Maybe don't be so sensitive.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yeah we all know that Ottawa fan don’t care about French fans. When our building will miss 4000-5000 people , don’t ask why

The only GM to hire Roy in a decade, is the one guy in the league that you don’t mess with or try and go over his head, or you’re instantly gone.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Looks like staios will miss out on an oilers cup run

 

[thinkwild]

Andlauer and Staios seem to have a good working relationship. It's hard to imagine a situation where Staios would be fearful that after hiring Roy, Roy would go behind his back and take his job. When you have an owner like Melnyk, sure, that's understandable. Hard to imagine that here now.

And taking the best available coach earlier because we are panicked seems exactly the type of reactive move we want to now avoid. Taking the best available at the time hardly demonstrates best in class.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Andlauer and Staios seem to have a good working relationship. It's hard to imagine a situation where Staios would be fearful that after hiring Roy, Roy would go behind his back and take his job. When you have an owner like Melnyk, sure, that's understandable. Hard to imagine that here now.

And taking the best available coach earlier because we are panicked seems exactly the type of reactive move we want to now avoid. Taking the best available at the time hardly demonstrates best in class.

Holland plucked Knoblauch right out the AHL.

It is widely rumoured, from a number of sources, that Staois has his eye on Gruden, also currently in the AHL…. Why not try to bring him in If he is your guy?
Sure the leafs would have to grant permission…. Why would they refuse?

Even bring him as an assistant with the understanding he is J Martins replacement when the comes.

 

[thinkwild]

Holland plucked Knoblauch right out the AHL.

It is widely rumoured, from a number of sources, that Staois has his eye on Gruden, also currently in the AHL…. Why not try to bring him in If he is your guy?
Sure the leafs would have to grant permission…. Why would they refuse?

Even bring him as an assistant with the understanding he is J Martins replacement when the comes.

I dont see the hurry. We have a good thing going right now. Team is resetting, we are learning where the team is finally. Impatience doesnt jump out as the winning formula .

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

I dont see the hurry. We have a good thing going right now. Team is resetting, we are learning where the team is finally. Impatience doesnt jump out as the winning formula .

J Martins record is still worse than DJS record this season

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Holland plucked Knoblauch right out the AHL.

It is widely rumoured, from a number of sources, that Staois has his eye on Gruden, also currently in the AHL…. Why not try to bring him in If he is your guy?
Sure the leafs would have to grant permission…. Why would they refuse?

Even bring him as an assistant with the understanding he is J Martins replacement when the comes.

The problem is this scenario is predicated on this all being what they want, which we don't know.

I think you have to be more open to the idea they want a long interview process in the summer and that Gruden is no certainty to be the one chosen. We've seen these analysts be wrong more often than they are right.