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Speculation: Undrafted FA Thread (NCAA/CHL/Euro) II

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montreal said:
Alain doesn't look like all that clever of a signing especially when his teammate is killing it in the AHL and he's just put up average numbers, better then Waked, Nevins, Mayer, etc... but he looks slow for the AHL.
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I think it's an okay season for Alain. I don't think anybody is surprised to see Barré-Boulet have more success, nor Batherson. Firstly, those players are more talented, there's no doubt about it. Secondly, they play on much better teams and with superior teammates. I have faith in Bouchard and the kid to develop. He's smart.

montreal said:
didn't know about Batherson, but that speaks well for Bouchard as a coach.
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Batherson exploded in Cape Breton after his draft (he's a late). I'm certain Bouchard helped him develop during the 40-50 games he coached him, but credit has to go to Marc-André Dumont of the Screaming Eagles as well. The latter was an assistant coach for Team Canada at the WJC this year. Helped develop Dubois also (odds are he would have turned out fine anyway, but Dumont was good for him).

Victorius said:
Barré-Boulet and Batherson, his ex team mates, are doing super great at AHL level and will soon be at NHL level. Alain, I doubt.
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Besides Barré-Boulet, there aren't countless undrafted CHL players who outproduce Alain in their rookie season this year.
 
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QuebecPride said:
I think it's an okay season for Alain. I don't think anybody is surprised to see Barré-Boulet have more success, nor Batherson. Firstly, those players are more talented, there's no doubt about it. Secondly, they play on much better teams and with superior teammates. I have faith in Bouchard and the kid to develop. He's smart.



Batherson exploded in Cape Breton after his draft (he's a late). I'm certain Bouchard helped him develop during the 40-50 games he coached him, but credit has to go to Marc-André Dumont of the Screaming Eagles as well. The latter was an assistant coach for Team Canada at the WJC this year. Helped develop Dubois also (odds are he would have turned out fine anyway, but Dumont was good for him).



Besides Barré-Boulet, there aren't countless undrafted CHL players who outproduce Alain in their rookie season this year.
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Alain's production is due mostly to Barré-Boulet, and later on last year, to both Barré-Boulet and Batherson.
 
BaseballCoach said:
What about Charles-Edouard D'Astous?? What did the Habs have to lose to sign him to a contract???
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I would be ! He ihes been really solide the last 2 years both side of the ice. Even if we where saying the same thing with Galipeau last year. I like Jacob Neveu to really solide defensive defenseman
 
Perhaps with Bouchard and Ducharme around things will improve from the Q at least in the short term.

Today is the selection for the ncaa tourny so players who's team were on the bubble had to wait to sign until they knew for sure their team was out or not. After next weekend only 4 teams will remain, so in the next 2 weeks or so there should be more players signed.
 
BaseballCoach said:
What about Charles-Edouard D'Astous?? What did the Habs have to lose to sign him to a contract???
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A contract spot. With the number of picks we had last year and this,theywill be important.

Vachon23 said:
Habs LHJMQ Scouts are the worst and they are 2 …
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Maybe the criticism should be directed more at the quality of the Q and Quebec minor hockey rather than the scouts. Look at how few drafted players there are, and we should worry about the undrafted ones? Sadly there are better options from other leagues to use your limited contracts on.
 
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HABitual Fan said:
Maybe the criticism should be directed more at the quality of the Q and Quebec minor hockey rather than the scouts. Look at how few drafted players there are, and we should worry about the undrafted ones? Sadly there are better options from other leagues to use your limited contracts on.
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Take a look at Barré-Boulet, now maybe he never turns into anything but the question is why wasn't he scouted more closely by us? When he was with the Volts, his coach used to work for us, he was 2nd on his team in scoring and was a rookie. Yes he was small and I didn't see him play so maybe there were things that stood out in his game then but if you pick him in '15 or '16 instead of one of Henrikson, Staum, Bourque, Addison, Pezzetta, then are getting a solid prospect at 21 vs nothing from most of them. Of course it's hindsight but it's just one case of them missing a kid who clearly is small but for that 2016 draft he finished the year with 89 pts and we picked some real duds in Henriksson and Staum (though he had some injury problems)

I don't follow the Q enough and I'm not a huge fan of the league for finding talent as the OHL and WHL seem to be doing a better job of churning out quality NHLers. I'm not one of those we need more French players, I've always said I just don't care where a player is from, I just want players that will help us win. If they are local then great. But our scouting from the Q stinks, as does our scouting from Sweden and until recently we struggled in Finland as well since Koivu.
 
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montreal said:
Take a look at Barré-Boulet, now maybe he never turns into anything but the question is why wasn't he scouted more closely by us? When he was with the Volts, his coach used to work for us, he was 2nd on his team in scoring and was a rookie. Yes he was small and I didn't see him play so maybe there were things that stood out in his game then but if you pick him in '15 or '16 instead of one of Henrikson, Staum, Bourque, Addison, Pezzetta, then are getting a solid prospect at 21 vs nothing from most of them. Of course it's hindsight but it's just one case of them missing a kid who clearly is small but for that 2016 draft he finished the year with 89 pts and we picked some real duds in Henriksson and Staum (though he had some injury problems)

I don't follow the Q enough and I'm not a huge fan of the league for finding talent as the OHL and WHL seem to be doing a better job of churning out quality NHLers. I'm not one of those we need more French players, I've always said I just don't care where a player is from, I just want players that will help us win. If they are local then great. But our scouting from the Q stinks, as does our scouting from Sweden and until recently we struggled in Finland as well since Koivu.
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Not trying to defend anyone here, but could it be that the 'Q is getting overlooked by the Habs? Very rarely do they draft with a top pick out of the league, the last ones being Fucale/Beaulieu. It could be that the scouts don't have enough influence on Timmins to get anything than a 5th rounder year in year out to take a long shot.
 
It could also be that other teams have better scouts than the Habs do covering the Q or that their internal evaluations favor other players. They would certainly not willingly and knowingly pass up on better talent, wherever it happens to be. The Habs, as a high revenue team, have a financial advantage that they need to exploit to the max.
 
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Runner77 said:
It could also be that other teams have better scouts than the Habs do covering the Q or that their internal evaluations favor other players. They would certainly not willingly and knowingly pass up on better talent, wherever it happens to be. The Habs, as a high revenue team, have a financial advantage that they need to exploit to the max.
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Ottawa and Tampa Bay are 2 teams that are great in the Q and it’s not like they where high revenue team.. No excuses for Habs to not be better in the Q
 
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Runner77 said:
It could also be that other teams have better scouts than the Habs do covering the Q or that their internal evaluations favor other players. They would certainly not willingly and knowingly pass up on better talent, wherever it happens to be. The Habs, as a high revenue team, have a financial advantage that they need to exploit to the max.
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It's actually the opposite, the Habs play in a highly taxed province, the lower taxed teams exploit this (ex. Dallas signing Radulov).
 
dcal64 said:
It's actually the opposite, the Habs play in a highly taxed province, the lower taxed teams exploit this (ex. Dallas signing Radulov).
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Wasn't referring to cap money. Habs are the third highest revenue team in the NHL and the type of spending that they can muster in respect of their scouting coverage is evidently a non-cap expense.
 
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QuebecPride said:
Not trying to defend anyone here, but could it be that the 'Q is getting overlooked by the Habs? Very rarely do they draft with a top pick out of the league, the last ones being Fucale/Beaulieu. It could be that the scouts don't have enough influence on Timmins to get anything than a 5th rounder year in year out to take a long shot.
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We know that Timmins is there scouting the Q firsthand since he lives there so you would expect him to know the Q prospects as well as anyone among his group I would think. That said perhaps they don't feel the Q is the best place to find talent when picking in the top rounds which actually makes sense as I'd much rather we land a kid from the OHL or WHL since they seem to be the 2 best leagues to draft in the world.

That said it's at least looking like it could be a decent draft year for the Q in '20 with Lafreniere, Barron, Mercer, Lapierre, Rochette, etc..
 
Anyone know anything about Alexander Yelesin from the KHL? He’s a top KHL defender who just told his team he intends on trying to make it in the NHL.
 
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