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Uh Oh. Matt Murray Leaves Practice LTIR'd (injury discussion)

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K, I haven't looked so have to ask - is he really on LTIR or is that just some smartass comment being thrown around here?

If he is, good lord. Then again, it might finally spell the end for Spreadsheet Dubious so it does have a silver lining.
 
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Dubas should offer Rick DiPietro a PTO. Seems like his kind of move given the circumstance.
 
Menzinger said:
You're absolutely right it wasn't a one or the other situation, especially this more recent off-season.

Though admittedly I wasn't a fan of most options available - lots of gambles, very few safe bets.
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I agree with all those goalies who switched teams were not safe bets but the job of the GM is creating trade. I doubt Hubie and Weegar were available until Flames needed to a make a deal. For example; Look at the Jets, maybe Helly was openly available but did Dubas asked? That’s something we won’t know.
 
Ok so Sammy looked good, thank god. Hopefully few more games and he will be comfortable. So far not seeing anything from ZAR and Kubel.
Marner got to come off the first line, they just Disney On Ice skating and passing the puck until its taken away from them.
 
Menzinger said:
You're absolutely right it wasn't a one or the other situation, especially this more recent off-season.

Though admittedly I wasn't a fan of most options available - lots of gambles, very few safe bets.
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We can't even judge those other options until few weeks have passed. Husso was great in one game. Campbell has been Campbell etc. Last season the best bet was Andersen, until came playoffs time.

I think in goalie wise Dubas is very open to critique, because of trusting Steve Briere and this situation in overall. Though like said in this thread that he couldn't had drafted his own guy yet and I think Andersen was our main guy at least first two seasons.

Gabriel426 said:
I agree with all those goalies who switched teams were not safe bets but the job of the GM is creating trade. I doubt Hubie and Weegar were available until Flames needed to a make a deal. For example; Look at the Jets, maybe Helly was openly available but did Dubas asked? That’s something we won’t know.
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You'd hope that he at least asked, but I think Helly is available next summer or mid-season. Jets wont trade him until they give up completely. I think this is their last effort before retool or something.
 
colchar said:
K, I haven't looked so have to ask - is he really on LTIR or is that just some smartass comment being thrown around here?

If he is, good lord. Then again, it might finally spell the end for Spreadsheet Dubious so it does have a silver lining.
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The "hurr durr Dumbass is a nerd" cherps are so tiresome, and not even true. If anything, Dubas has made the majority of moves closer to what some OBC-type would do. There were precisely zero analytics guys hoping the Leafs would bring in Murray. The arguments for Murray were about "pedigree" and "Cups", not stats. Same kind of BS with the disastrous Foligno and Simmonds acquisitions. They should've listened to the nerds more.

And if anything, the Murray injury is good. Gives the Leafs far more cap flexibility and allows them to carry a full roster. Robertson and Mete will be up.

Samsonov is fine. They just need semi-competent goaltending and Samsonov has been good enough in his two games.
 
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I am so excited. Now we have the chance to spend the $4 we have left against the cap on a goaltender, plus the LTIR for the always injured goaltender we traded for. Wow, and when his groin feels better we hope another even larger LTIR happens so we can do it again.
Oh, forgot...hope all this happens before Lily returns, but I am sure Dubas will find a way to get another LTIR worth at least 3.5m
 
I am never a big fan of complaints without solutions. I think every Leaf fan would like for us to have higher-end, more reliable goaltending.

We would all love Vasilevsky and would gladly find a way to fit his $9.5 into our cap structure ($5M more than Murray) though I think the acquisition cost for such a goalie would be hard to stomach. We would like Shesterkin too. Again, he is also not available but after these two there are not many sure things...though many upgrades on what Murray/Samsonov will likely give us. These guys are not just being given away by their teams either.

So, Dubas' strategy seems to be to avoid awful contracts (dollars and term) to guys that may not be much better than the guys you can get on reasonable deals. He then spends the money on the team in front of the goalie. This is how a team with the WORST goaltending in the NHL from January 1 on last year finished with 115 points. Campbell had a fine playoff and was not the reason we lost...though he didn't win us any games either...we haven't had a goalie steal us a playoff win in years...stealing even just one would have got us past the first round at some point, we have had the second best goaltending in each of the past six playoff rounds.

So, what specifically could have done better or differently? Who is more of a sure thing than what we have now that could work on our cap and be worth the acquisition cost?
 
Looking at the schedule thankfully Kallgren won't have to play until the 30th in Anaheim.
 
Niagara Bill said:
I am so excited. Now we have the chance to spend the $4 we have left against the cap on a goaltender, plus the LTIR for the always injured goaltender we traded for. Wow, and when his groin feels better we hope another even larger LTIR happens so we can do it again.
Oh, forgot...hope all this happens before Lily returns, but I am sure Dubas will find a way to get another LTIR worth at least 3.5m
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I think the plan is to roll with Samsonov and Kjallgren and probably win 60% of our games even with average goaltending. We are not going to try to get another goalie (or any player) with the new found (temporary) LTIR. That will be used to bring up Robertson and Gaudette or Steeves when needed, Mete too.

It also allows us to fit in Liljgren for a while. Once Murray comes back, Muzzin or someone else will be hurt for ten games.

Like it or not, get used to this...this is our team and it is unlikely we get reenforcements from the outside.

This roster is statistically projected to be the best in the league and this was not because of Murray. The drop from Murray/Samsonov to Samsonov/Kjallgrenfor ten games is not going to change our foturnes much this year.

As always, let's see what the playoffs bring. I don't see any available goalies that would change our confidence level for the post season... Vasilevsky and Shesterkin are not available.
 
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Looking at the schedule thankfully Kallgren won't have to play until the 30th in Anaheim.
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Kallgren was ok for us last season. I'm not overly concerned using him as a backup for the time being.

Samsonov is going to get an opportunity to grab the reigns now. I think he has more upside than Murray long term so this could be a positive development.
 
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Clark4Ever said:
Kallgren was ok for us last season. I'm not overly concerned using him as a backup for the time being.

Samsonov is going to get an opportunity to grab the reigns now. I think he has more upside than Murray long term so this could be a positive development.
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Agree 100% with the second sentence.

Not a fan of Kallgren, don't think he is very good at all. Hopefully he kills it and I'm wrong but it would be surprising.
 
I always thought that Samsonov would eventually be the starter but only after months of spotty starts by a half-healthy Murray. Definitely wouldn't have predicted Murray falling out of the picture after 1 game.

Clark4Ever said:
Kallgren was ok for us last season. I'm not overly concerned using him as a backup for the time being.
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Mrazek and Kallgren were among the worst NHL goaltenders during the 2021-22 season.
 
Anthrax442 said:
Ok so Sammy looked good, thank god. Hopefully few more games and he will be comfortable. So far not seeing anything from ZAR and Kubel.
Marner got to come off the first line, they just Disney On Ice skating and passing the puck until its taken away from them.
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I guess you think he's playing like the guy in your avatar.

ZAR and Kubel seem to be very competent and reliable 4th liners thus far. They're energetic and not overstepping their roles. I give the GM full marks for choosing those players.
 
justashadowof said:
I always thought that Samsonov would eventually be the starter but only after months of spotty starts by a half-healthy Murray. Definitely wouldn't have predicted Murray falling out of the picture after 1 game.


Mrazek and Kallgren were among the worst NHL goaltenders during the 2021-22 season.
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If Kallgren continues with his lifetime NHL stat line for wins-losses I would be happy. He is 8-4 lifetime. So if he wins 2x more than he loses, all good.

Even with a 88.8% save ratio! LOL
 
Tarmore said:
If Kallgren continues with his lifetime NHL stat line for wins-losses I would be happy. He is 8-4 lifetime. So if he wins 2x more than he loses, all good.

Even with a 88.8% save ratio! LOL
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He was playing behind the 2nd highest scoring team last season. The team was winning despite his bad performances.
 
Dubas absolutely knew that Murray has an injury history. Yet, he went out and signed him anyway. Complete stupidity. I never liked this signing from day 1.

Shanny needs to ban Dubas from signing anyone else from the Soo.
 
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Kyle, if you're going to take on dead money for picks, you gotta get paid more than that!

2x$4.7M of MLSE's money on LTIR and all he got was a 3rd and a 7th? :sarcasm:

(Okay, maybe only half tongue in cheek there :laugh: )


In all seriousness, what do we think Murray's ratio of LTIR vs playing will be during his tenure here? I was already thinking it would be high, and even I wasn't expecting LTIR after game one....
 
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