Player Discussion Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)

[Micklebot]

How much PP time has he had in those 143 games? Without pp time, and used in limited minutes which he has been at und, those numbers aren't as bad as they may appear

As for tip plays, there's more of them at the NHL level where there's more skill to redirect the puck.

Kleven is never going to be used as a pmd in any future Senators lineup so his point totals are not really a big thing

I like Kleven, he can make the in zone passes you need a defensive D to make, but he's not going to be the guy making stretch plays too often.

My expectations for him are somewhere between Gryba and Carlo. I think he already moves the puck better than Gryba so things are looking good to me.

 

[aragorn]

The modern game demands you get point production from your blueline and right now we are banking on Sanderson and Chabot to do that. If Sandy can produce that is huge as we have had terrible production defensively and offensively from.our back end for years.


This is disingenuous and I think you know it.

Brady always had the skill. Kleven was compared to a goalie as far as breakout passing was concerned.

He isn't going to magically learn to move the puck in the NHL when he can't make offensive plays in college.

He may be useful and I hope he is because he has great size and good mobility but a D has to be able to handle the puck or else he is just chasing the puck in his zone all the time.

Is there a reason why you didn't add Brannstrom to the PMD who should be putting up more pts? If all he can do is skate the puck out of his own end is that enough to justify keeping him? Kleven was drafted as a 3rd pairing defensive defenceman to stop pucks from going into our end, I doubt they drafted him as a pt producing D. If they can upgrade on Hamonic & Brannstrom if he doesn't start to accumulate pts that is where the pts should come from not Kleven. He's there for another reason to add size, toughness & to clear the front of the net.

 

[OD99]

How much PP time has he had in those 143 games? Without pp time, and used in limited minutes which he has been at und, those numbers aren't as bad as they may appear

As for tip plays, there's more of them at the NHL level where there's more skill to redirect the puck.

Kleven is never going to be used as a pmd in any future Senators lineup so his point totals are not really a big thing

He has been used plenty at UND and he isn't on the PP much because he doesn't move the puck well. I don't care about his points and of course he won't be a full ice PMD, however he still needs to get the puck out with control..

I am not attacking Kleven here, and I think that is obvious.

I have concerns that his ability to move the puck may hinder his ability to play in the NHL. Maybe he becomes a shot blocking beast who moves the puck well enough and his big hits change momentum.

On the other hand, maybe he is one of those D who look impressive because of how big they are but they play in their own zone the entire time because they can't make a proper breakout pass. The latter version isn't really helpful.

 

[OD99]

Is there a reason why you didn't add Brannstrom to the PMD who should be putting up more pts?

Oh take your bias on Branny somewhere else, I am not indulging it. In general the team needs to create more goals from the back-end, that is clear to me anyway.

If all he can do is skate the puck out of his own end is that enough to justify keeping him?

"All he can do" LOL...Yes, Brannstrom moving the puck out of our end in full control and gaining the offensive zone is huge for the team. His points will come based on how he moves it.

Kleven was drafted as a 3rd pairing defensive defenceman to stop pucks from going into our end, I doubt they drafted him as a pt producing D.

Yes all of that is very obvious and I have never said otherwise.

If they can upgrade on Hamonic & Brannstrom if he doesn't start to accumulate pts that is where the pts should come from not Kleven. He's there for another reason to add size, toughness & to clear the front of the net.

Kleven and Hamonic would be a disaster and we would be hemmed in our end every shift they were on. It looks great to see a guy block a shot or box a guy out but when the other team simply gets the puck back and repeats the cycle that is actually not a good thing.

Anyway, daring to suggest Kleven may not have the hands to be an effective NHL D has touched a nerve with a few people here - love the energy although the sensitivity may be a bit much.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think Kleven will be better than some people expect. He may need some polishing in Belleville for a bit.
I don't expect points but I do expect solid D , physicality and more than off the glass and out.

 

[NyQuil]

I think Kleven will be better than some people expect. He may need some polishing in Belleville for a bit.
I don't expect points but I do expect solid D , physicality and more than off the glass and out.

Just having a guy like Sutton, Volchenkov, Methot, Gryba who can level the opposition is a bit of an element that can't always be easily quantified.

They don't really distinguish between Brannstrom laying the body and Kleven statistically.

 

[Loach]

I think Kleven will be a very nice player. The question is will he still be a Senator when that happens? Do we have the patience? Will he be made available to upgrade somewhere else? Who do we draft in the future? Hope we hang on to this kid and give hom time to develop.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

I think Kleven will be better than some people expect. He may need some polishing in Belleville for a bit.
I don't expect points but I do expect solid D , physicality and more than off the glass and out.

Look at Gryba. Took like Draft+7 before he played a game. Looked good for a while too. Never played the same after that one hit.

 

[Bileur]

Look at Gryba. Took like Draft+7 before he played a game. Looked good for a while too. Never played the same after that one hit.

You need a bit of Andy Sutton’s disregard for human life to play that physical at that size.

Gryba was too nice.

 

[h2]

Look at Gryba. Took like Draft+7 before he played a game. Looked good for a while too. Never played the same after that one hit.

It was a clean hit

 

[Micklebot]

Dorion sharing page 351 of the plan

“The plan is for (Kleven) to come out at the end of the year,” Dorion said. “We always respect our players wishes, but he might be an element on our defence corps that we’re missing. He can play big minutes, he can defend, he can get the puck to the net and he’s a got a physical presence.”

 

[Micklebot]

Interesting comments during the post deadline presser on Kleven,

Said the will see how things go regarding whether Kleven will get games at the end of the season,

Said he feels he is very close to being NHL ready,

Details are maybe a bet behind where Sanderson was when he left UND, but he'll be at that level within a month or so of working with their guys.

Really impressed with Klevens season

 

[Ice-Tray]

Yup, sooner than later I suspect.

 

[Cosmix]

I think Kleven will be better than some people expect. He may need some polishing in Belleville for a bit.
I don't expect points but I do expect solid D , physicality and more than off the glass and out.

I like his size and physical play. I hope he can be more than just big and tough though; I would like to see him have the foot speed to get to pucks first, hang onto pucks along the boards, and to make short accurate passes to our forwards in our D zone to enable quick exits. I do not see him as an offensive D and do not expect him to get a lot of goals or assists. Solid D would be great on the 3rd pairing.

 

[NyQuil]

I could see him occupying any number of contributing roles played by former Senators, like Hnidy, Sutton, Volchenkov or Phillips, depending on how well he acclimates.

 

[Cosmix]

It was a clean hit

It was not a very physical hit either as he basically just stepped in the way of Eller who was not looking where he was going and got set up by his D who fed him a pass right into the hit.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

He would be an amazing prospect from 1995 to 2015. But who's he gonna be in the new NHL?

Dude's elbows are gonna be at jaw-height every hit he makes.

 

[Ice-Tray]

He would be an amazing prospect from 1995 to 2015. But who's he gonna be in the new NHL?

Dude's elbows are gonna be at jaw-height every hit he makes.

It’s not that new… He’ll be fine, he’s an actual player.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

He would be an amazing prospect from 1995 to 2015. But who's he gonna be in the new NHL?

Dude's elbows are gonna be at jaw-height every hit he makes.

As long as he has good form and keeps the elbows tucked, he should be ok. The NHL is getting tougher on head contact, but they still recognize the mechanics of height differential and some types of contact are unavoidable.

 

[Samsquanch]

He would be an amazing prospect from 1995 to 2015. But who's he gonna be in the new NHL?

Dude's elbows are gonna be at jaw-height every hit he makes.

He's not alone on an island at 6'4"... and he can skate very well.

The NHL isn't getting soft or loosing the element of players being very hard to play against anytime soon...

Did you see what Tampa just paid an intimidating grinder that can skate? The winners all know this is still going to be a mandatory element to any real contending team.

 

[topshelf15]

He's not alone on an island at 6'4"... and he can skate very well.

The NHL isn't getting soft or loosing the element of players being very hard to play against anytime soon...

Did you see what Tampa just paid an intimidating grinder that can skate? The winners all know this is still going to be a mandatory element to any real contending team.

Physical defenders are always sought after....Gubranson just got 4 mil over 4 years ,yep Gubranson.. Mind you it was CLB but still

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Kleven will do a year in AHL and then he'll be ready.

I watched a lot of UND. Ima watch some more games next couple weeks. Kleven no where close to Sandy's level of readiness. Kleven was actually quite raw. No need to rush at all. Let him learn the speed and what to do/what not to do in AHL.

 

[The Waffler]

I could see him occupying any number of contributing roles played by former Senators, like Hnidy, Sutton, Volchenkov or Phillips, depending on how well he acclimates.

Off topic, but I can remember Sutton making Jordan Leopold say goodnight, what a heavy hit.

All time post-game interview too.

 

[coladin]

Poor man’s Chris Pronger will be here soon

 

[SlapJack]

Physical defenders are always sought after....Gubranson just got 4 mil over 4 years ,yep Gubranson.. Mind you it was CLB but still

Might have been one of the worst signings known to be bad the moment it was signed since Jeff Finger.

Poor man’s Chris Pronger will be here soon

Closer to homeless man's Chris Pronger. I do like Kleven and excited for him to bring his skill set to the team, but those 2 should never be compared. Pronger is an all time great.