Prospect Info: Tyler Boucher (RW/LW) - Don`t sleep on Tyler Boucher

[Oscar The Grouch]

He's not even with the team in Belleville - apparently he was at the 67's game today with Sens management.

Sounds like he might be on the Ottawa bench as an assistant coach, soon enough.

 

[jhutter]

Gotta check in for my biannual chuckle at the title of this thread. What a squandered selection. Abysmal.

 

[bert]

It's so weird how they don't say anything about him at all.

 

[Tuna99]

It's so weird how they don't say anything about him at all.

Could the Ottawa media ask about Tyler Boucher? Fans wanna know

 

[slamigo]

Are they hoping that the fans will just sort of forget about him?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Are they hoping that the fans will just sort of forget about him?

Forget about who?

 

[Icelevel]

Are they hoping that the fans will just sort of forget about him?

That’s why they brought back Mathew Boucher.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Could the Ottawa media ask about Tyler Boucher? Fans wanna know

The media here aside from Mendes is so disconnected when it comes to asking questions for the fanbase.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

He's going to have a legendary comeback and develop into one of the best power forwards in the AHL

 

[WORLDSTARHIPHOP]

He's going to have a legendary comeback and develop into one of the best power forwards in the AHL

got me in the first half

 

[Senator Stanley]

He's not even with the team in Belleville - apparently he was at the 67's game today with Sens management.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's sent back to the OHL if he ever gets healthy.

He could certainly use more OHL time.

 

[h2]

This whole thing is absolutely bizarre. The team should just come out and tell the fans what's going on with his status.

 

[Xspyrit]

The rebuild really went sideways when they selected Boucher in the 2021 draft

I mean, it's probably impossible to find a 42.425 AAV as poorly spent as Dorion did just before that draft for the 2020-21 season (see below)

Stepan 6.5 AAV
Murray 6.25 AAV
Dadonov 5.0 AAV
White 4.75 AAV
Anisimov 4.55 AAV
Zaitsev 4.5 AAV
Gudbranson 4.0 AAV
Tierney 3.5 AAV
Dzingel 3.375 AAV

But at least if we "tanked" and drafted a key piece to the rebuild with the pick, it could have been "worth it" but it looks more like bad karma for making such a boneheaded pick. Even Boucher himself is cursed because of it.

 

[Icelevel]

The rebuild really went sideways when they selected Boucher in the 2021 draft

I mean, it's probably impossible to find a 42.425 AAV as poorly spent as Dorion did just before that draft for the 2020-21 season (see below)

Stepan 6.5 AAV
Murray 6.25 AAV
Dadonov 5.0 AAV
White 4.75 AAV
Anisimov 4.55 AAV
Zaitsev 4.5 AAV
Gudbranson 4.0 AAV
Tierney 3.5 AAV
Dzingel 3.375 AAV

But at least if we "tanked" and drafted a key piece to the rebuild with the pick, it could have been "worth it" but it looks more like bad karma for making such a boneheaded pick. Even Boucher himself is cursed because of it.

I mean who do you want to take instead to have an impact here?
Cole Sillinger? Is that a big difference? 1 goal in 23 games.
I wanted to take Lucius. He would have been my pick but Boucher isn’t a bust yet. He could still turn out better than those two. I think people are making too much of the Boucher pick.

 

[BondraTime]

I mean who do you want to take instead to have an impact here?
Cole Sillinger? Is that a big difference? 1 goal in 23 games.
I wanted to take Lucius. He would have been my pick but Boucher isn’t a bust yet. He could still turn out better than those two. I think people are making too much of the Boucher pick.

I mean, of course Sillinger is a difference. Among pretty much every guy picked after. NHL player vs. a guy you hope can get healthy enough to send for his overage season to the OHL to work on his game.

Not only was it a questionable/awful pick without hindsight, it has gone even poorer than anyone could have predicted since the draft. Both with injuries and his actual play.

Boucher is literally a wash, anything right now is a difference.

Sillinger is s a 20 year old with 9 points right now in the NHL, playing on the 1st PK for the Jackets without any PP time. Has 20 goals in the NHL in the past 2.2 seasons. Boucher is a band-aid, with 19 goals since his draft in the NCAA and OHL.

Cornato has proven he can play in the NHL, has 2 points in 11 games, and 15 points in 12 games in the AHL.

Rosen had 37 points in the AHL as a 19 year old, and as a 20 year old has 19 in 16 games.

Othmann has 13 points in 18 AHL games this season.

Everyone is making their mark, and playing their way up.

We are just hoping Boucher can get healthy and spend the year in the OHL as a 20 year old.

 

[Xspyrit]

I mean who do you want to take instead to have an impact here?
Cole Sillinger? Is that a big difference? 1 goal in 23 games.
I wanted to take Lucius. He would have been my pick but Boucher isn’t a bust yet. He could still turn out better than those two. I think people are making too much of the Boucher pick.

Anybody who was seen as a high first round pick... Even if it was a Logan Brown. Why we don't criticize the Logan Brown pick as much? Because the guy had high end skill and great potential but just lacked health and fire in his belly. Boucher was a 2nd round pick talent. You don't draft these with a 10th OA pick.

So you just go with this :

EOTP’s 2021 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

The 2021 NHL Entry Draft begins on Friday, and EOTP has been keeping track of most of the rankings to come out ahead of the draft. Some rankings have more correlation to how the draft will unfold than…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

RK	NAME	HT	WT	POSITION	TEAM	LEAGUE	AVG	DROP	RANGE
1	POWER, OWEN	6′ 6″	213	L DEFENCE	MICHIGAN	BIG10	1.22	NA	6
2	BENIERS, MATTHEW	6′ 2″	175	CENTER	MICHIGAN	BIG10	2.67	1.44	4
3	EKLUND, WILLIAM	5′ 10″	176	LEFT WING	DJURGARDEN	SWEDEN	3.11	0.44	5
4	HUGHES, LUKE	6′ 2″	184	L DEFENCE	USA U-18	NTDP	5.44	2.33	8
5	CLARKE, BRANDT	6′ 2″	185	R DEFENCE	BARRIE	OHL	5.67	0.22	8
6	GUENTHER, DYLAN	6′ 2″	175	RIGHT WING	EDMONTON	WHL	6.78	1.11	8
7	JOHNSON, KENT	6′ 1″	167	CENTER	MICHIGAN	BIG10	8.00	1.22	13
8	EDVINSSON, SIMON	6′ 4″	198	L DEFENCE	FROLUNDA JR.	SWEDEN-JR.	8.44	0.44	20
9	MCTAVISH, MASON	6′ 1″	207	CENTER	PETERBOROUGH	OHL	8.89	0.44	9
10	WALLSTEDT, JESPER	6′ 3″	214	GOALIE	LULEA	SWEDEN	9.22	0.33	12
11	LYSELL, FABIAN	5′ 10″	172	RIGHT WING	LULEA	SWEDEN	12.89	3.67	27
12	LUCIUS, CHAZ	6′ 1″	185	CENTER	USA U-18	NTDP	12.89	0.00	13
13	SILLINGER, COLE	6′ 0″	197	CENTER	SIOUX FALLS	USHL	13.33	0.44	15
14	SVECHKOV, FEDOR	6′ 0″	187	CENTER	TOGLIATTI	RUSSIA-2	14.11	0.78	30
15	RATY, AATU	6′ 2″	185	CENTER	KARPAT	FINLAND	17.89	3.78	44
16	CORONATO, MATTHEW	5′ 10″	183	RIGHT WING	CHICAGO	USHL	18.33	0.44	27
17	COSSA, SEBASTIAN	6′ 6″	210	GOALIE	EDMONTON	WHL	19.67	1.33	38
18	LAMBOS, CARSON	6′ 1″	197	L DEFENCE	WINNIPEG	WHL	20.67	1.00	28
19	ROSEN, ISAK	5′ 11″	156	RIGHT WING	LEKSAND	SWEDEN	21.00	0.33	21
20	OTHMANN, BRENNAN	6′ 0″	175	LEFT WING	FLINT	OHL	21.78	0.78	21
21	CHIBRIKOV, NIKITA	5′ 10″	170	RIGHT WING	ST. PETERSBURG	RUSSIA	22.67	0.89	25
22	OLAUSSON, OSKAR	6′ 1″	180	RIGHT WING	HV 71	SWEDEN	24.22	1.56	24
23	STANKOVEN, LOGAN	5′ 8″	170	CENTER	KAMLOOPS	WHL	25.89	1.67	40
24	BOURGAULT, XAVIER	6′ 0″	172	CENTER	SHAWINIGAN	QMJHL	26.00	0.11	31
25	CEULEMANS, CORSON	6′ 2″	198	R DEFENCE	BROOKS	AJHL	26.56	0.56	43
26	PINELLI, FRANCESCO	6′ 0″	185	CENTER	KITCHENER	OHL	27.56	1.00	20
27	BOLDUC, ZACHARY	6′ 1″	175	CENTER	RIMOUSKI	QMJHL	27.78	0.22	53
28	ROBERTSSON, SIMON	6′ 0″	190	RIGHT WING	SKELLEFTEA	SWEDEN	28.44	0.67	37
29	SAMOSKEVICH, MACKIE	5′ 11″	191	RIGHT WING	CHICAGO	USHL	30.22	1.78	28
30	TUOMAALA, SAMU	5′ 10″	174	RIGHT WING	KARPAT JR.	FINLAND-JR.	31.22	1.00	31
31	L’HEUREUX, ZACHARY	5′ 11″	196	LEFT WING	HALIFAX	QMJHL	32.78	1.56	35
32	DEAN, ZACH	6′ 0″	176	CENTER	GATINEAU	QMJHL	33.22	0.44	44
33	CHAYKA, DANIIL	6′ 3″	187	L DEFENCE	CSKA	RUSSIA	34.33	1.11	52
34	PASTUJOV, SASHA	6′ 0″	184	RIGHT WING	USA U-18	NTDP	35.44	1.11	42
35	SVOZIL, STANISLAV	6′ 1″	182	L DEFENCE	BRNO	CZREP	37.44	2.00	35
36	POLTAPOV, PROKHOR	6′ 0″	176	LEFT WING	CSKA 2	RUSSIA-JR.	41.67	4.22	50
37	MARTINO, AYRTON	5′ 11″	160	LEFT WING	OMAHA	USHL	41.78	0.11	55
38	STROMGREN, WILLIAM	6′ 3″	175	LEFT WING	MODO	SWEDEN-2	42.56	0.78	50
39	BEHRENS, SEAN	5′ 10″	177	L DEFENCE	USA U-18	NTDP	44.11	1.56	48
40	PEART, JACK	5′ 11″	186	L DEFENCE	GRAND RAPIDS	HIGH-MN	44.22	0.11	45
41	MORROW, SCOTT	6′ 2″	195	R DEFENCE	SHATTUCK – ST.MARY’S PREP	HIGH-MN	45.00	0.78	72
42	DUKE, DYLAN	5′ 10″	175	LEFT WING	USA U-18	NTDP	45.00	0.00	54
43	ZELLWEGER, OLEN	5′ 9″	175	L DEFENCE	EVERETT	WHL	45.11	0.11	59
44	KOIVUNEN, VILLE	5′ 11″	161	RIGHT WING	KARPAT JR.	FINLAND-JR.	46.67	1.56	54
45	SALMINEN, SAMU	6′ 2″	186	CENTER	JOKERIT JR.	FINLAND-JR.	48.67	2.00	83
46	BROZ, TRISTAN	6′ 0″	178	CENTER	FARGO	USHL	49.67	1.00	56
47	HEIMOSALMI, ALEKSI	5′ 11″	170	R DEFENCE	ASSAT JR.	FINLAND-JR.	49.89	0.22	54
48	NAUSE, EVAN	6′ 2″	186	L DEFENCE	QUEBEC	QMJHL	51.56	1.67	73
49	BOUCHER, TYLER	6′ 1″	205	RIGHT WING	USA U-18	NTDP	53.67	2.11	119
50	JOHNSTON, WYATT	6′ 1″	178	CENTER	WINDSOR	OHL	54.78	1.11	82

I highlighted several in blue but seriously, all the guys ranked before Boucher might have been a better bet.

Note : Sillinger was rushed in the NHL and it probably affected his development but he will be a NHL player and could still be good. Boucher hasn't even played 1 AHL game yet.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Dude's a bigger bust than Filatov.

 

[Xspyrit]

We are just hoping Boucher can get healthy and spend the year in the OHL as a 20 year old.

And he turns 21 y/o in January

I think people are making too much of the Boucher pick.

I wanted to add that my post was not to "make too much" of the Boucher pick but to note that it coincided with the rebuild going sideways. We were extremely well positioned before that but Dorion made so many bad decisions and squandered so many assets/picks. Plus, DJ kept on not having this team progressing and he is still here 4 seasons later.

Dude's a bigger bust than Filatov.

Filatov is in a different stratosphere for now. And he was seen as a high 1st round pick

https://futureconsiderations.ca/wp-content/uploads/woocommerce_uploads/2017/03/2008-NHL-Draft-Guide.pdf

NHL 53 GP 6 G 8 A 14 Pts
AHL 90 GP 32 G 32 A 64 Pts
KHL 304 GP 69 G 83 A 152 Pts

He stopped playing hockey at 28 y/o (not sure why)

What will Boucher have accomplished in 7 years?

 

[Icelevel]

I mean, of course Sillinger is a difference. Among pretty much every guy picked after. NHL player vs. a guy you hope can get healthy enough to send for his overage season to the OHL to work on his game.

Not only was it a questionable/awful pick without hindsight, it has gone even poorer than anyone could have predicted since the draft. Both with injuries and his actual play.

Boucher is literally a wash, anything right now is a difference.

Sillinger is s a 20 year old with 9 points right now in the NHL, playing on the 1st PK for the Jackets without any PP time. Has 20 goals in the NHL in the past 2.2 seasons. Boucher is a band-aid, with 19 goals since his draft in the NCAA and OHL.

Cornato has proven he can play in the NHL, has 2 points in 11 games, and 15 points in 12 games in the AHL.

Rosen had 37 points in the AHL as a 19 year old, and as a 20 year old has 19 in 16 games.

Othmann has 13 points in 18 AHL games this season.

Everyone is making their mark, and playing their way up.

We are just hoping Boucher can get healthy and spend the year in the OHL as a 20 year old.

I asked if it makes a “big difference”.
The answer is no. And again, Boucher is not a bust at this point. Could still turn out better than all those guys.

Yeah, people going on and on about Boucher at this point need to relax. Doesn’t look very good on them. These posts are 2 years premature. In other words a total waste of everyone’s time.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The rebuild really went sideways when they selected Boucher in the 2021 draft

I mean, it's probably impossible to find a 42.425 AAV as poorly spent as Dorion did just before that draft for the 2020-21 season (see below)

Stepan 6.5 AAV
Murray 6.25 AAV
Dadonov 5.0 AAV
White 4.75 AAV
Anisimov 4.55 AAV
Zaitsev 4.5 AAV
Gudbranson 4.0 AAV
Tierney 3.5 AAV
Dzingel 3.375 AAV

But at least if we "tanked" and drafted a key piece to the rebuild with the pick, it could have been "worth it" but it looks more like bad karma for making such a boneheaded pick. Even Boucher himself is cursed because of it.

I’m not gonna say Boucher caused Dorion to spend that money.

Man. We cried f***ing broke and look at that money we gave away lol. f***ing insanity. Incompetence.

 

[GCK]

The rebuild really went sideways when they selected Boucher in the 2021 draft

I mean, it's probably impossible to find a 42.425 AAV as poorly spent as Dorion did just before that draft for the 2020-21 season (see below)

Stepan 6.5 AAV
Murray 6.25 AAV
Dadonov 5.0 AAV
White 4.75 AAV
Anisimov 4.55 AAV
Zaitsev 4.5 AAV
Gudbranson 4.0 AAV
Tierney 3.5 AAV
Dzingel 3.375 AAV

But at least if we "tanked" and drafted a key piece to the rebuild with the pick, it could have been "worth it" but it looks more like bad karma for making such a boneheaded pick. Even Boucher himself is cursed because of it.

You are missing the brilliance of Dorion. That 42.25M of AAV only cost Melnyk 25.3M.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I asked if it makes a “big difference”.
The answer is no. And again, Boucher is not a bust at this point. Could still turn out better than all those guys.

Yeah, people going on and on about Boucher at this point need to relax. Doesn’t look very good on them. These posts are 2 years premature. In other words a total waste of everyone’s time.

People said their comments two years ago were two years premature lol

 

[BondraTime]

I asked if it makes a “big difference”.
The answer is no. And again, Boucher is not a bust at this point. Could still turn out better than all those guys.

Yeah, people going on and on about Boucher at this point need to relax. Doesn’t look very good on them. These posts are 2 years premature. In other words a total waste of everyone’s time.

NHLer vs. non NHLer is a big difference.

3 years ago it was "people are being 2 years premature", 2 years ago it was "people are being 2 years premature", last year it was "people are being 2 years premature". I have zero doubts you'd see that every season since the draft. After a while, it's just normal, that's what you're going to get.

After a while, you can't use the excuse of "you just need to wait". That's not an evaluation, that's putting your head in the sand for your sanity. Putting your head in the sand isn't a good look.

Of course he's not a bust yet, he's only 20. But literally every bit of development of his potential, which was never thought very highly of in the first place, has gone worse than anyone could have imagined. That's what's being discussed, because that's what's actually happening.

Like it or not, highly drafted prospects are going to be followed, and when they do as poorly as Boucher has, which is as poorly as you could expect, it's going to be talked about.

I personally don't care much one way or the other, it's water under the bridge and is a sunk cost in my eyes. But evaluations of the pick and what's gone on since then, and guessing what's to come, are what this place is for.

 

[Xspyrit]

Yeah, people going on and on about Boucher at this point need to relax. Doesn’t look very good on them. These posts are 2 years premature. In other words a total waste of everyone’s time.

Read again, I addressed this directly 12 minutes before your post.

I’m not gonna say Boucher caused Dorion to spend that money.

Man. We cried f***ing broke and look at that money we gave away lol. f***ing insanity. Incompetence.

That money was spent prior to the Boucher selection, that was part of our roster for the 2020-21 season

You are missing the brilliance of Dorion. That 42.25M of AAV only cost Melnyk 25.3M.

True, Dorion was really Alfie-given

 

[Ouroboros]

You are missing the brilliance of Dorion. That 42.25M of AAV only cost Melnyk 25.3M.

Still the only team to take on an LTIR contract and not get any compensation for it [Ryan Callahan].

It's really amazing the way Pierre 'The Axeman' Dorion was able to slash expenses during the rebuild and still keep the club floor compliant.