Prospect Info: Tyler Boucher (RW/LW) - Don`t sleep on Tyler Boucher

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Bait other teams to trade for him while there still some optimism that he'll be a player in the league.

Should have happened this past summer.

 

[Alex1234]

We could use Wyatt Johnston betwwen Tank and Kubi rn
What a disaster of a pick
Good ol Pierre damaging the franchise again

 

[Icelevel]

We could use Wyatt Johnston betwwen Tank and Kubi rn
What a disaster of a pick
Good ol Pierre damaging the franchise again

I was sure we would take Lucius. Could use him too.

 

[The Waffler]

Consider me sleeping on Tyler Boucher. I don’t like it, but I am.

 

[Xspyrit]

Consider me sleeping on Tyler Boucher. I don’t like it, but I am.

Seriously, where else are we supposed to sleep? I don't get some of these thread titles

 

[HF2002]

I'm going to give Dorion a pass on Boucher, and at the same time give him no credit for Stutzle and Sanderson.

It is the scouting staff that makes the pick. The GM just happens to go up to the mic and make the pick.

I wonder if Dorion gave the Mann's shit for the Boucher selection, and their relationship tumbled from there?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

No more ties to Boucher in the org. They guys that drafted him are gone. He has a history but there will not be anyone forcing him up until he's ready

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I'm going to give Dorion a pass on Boucher, and at the same time give him no credit for Stutzle and Sanderson.

It is the scouting staff that makes the pick. The GM just happens to go up to the mic and make the pick.

I wonder if Dorion gave the Mann's shit for the Boucher selection, and their relationship tumbled from there?

I don't think this was always the case with the Senators. There was plenty of anecdotal evidence that this in upper management (spiritual POHO Eugene Melnyk, and GM Pierre Dorion) may have overruled the scouting staff on certain picks.

There is the famous Pinto debacle, where Mann allegedly threatened to quit if Dorion did not take Pinto. There was also the recent grain of salt tweet by Shawn Simpson that he was contacted and told to stop posting about Askarov on Twitter, because it was getting Melnyk too excited about him as a prospect.

Dorion had always been pretty clear that due to his scouting background, when the Senators had high picks, he would put time into viewing the top prospects and have a lot of input on their top picks.

 

[HF2002]

I don't think this was always the case with the Senators. There was plenty of anecdotal evidence that this in upper management (spiritual POHO Eugene Melnyk, and GM Pierre Dorion) may have overruled the scouting staff on certain picks.

There is the famous Pinto debacle, where Mann allegedly threatened to quit if Dorion did not take Pinto. There was also the recent grain of salt tweet by Shawn Simpson that he was contacted and told to stop posting about Askarov on Twitter, because it was getting Melnyk too excited about him as a prospect.

Dorion had always been pretty clear that due to his scouting background, when the Senators had high picks, he would put time into viewing the top prospects and have a lot of input on their top picks.

To be fair, this is not without proper consideration.

Most other organizations don't operate this way. If he scouted Boucher that much, and made the call to draft him, he should have been fired several years ago. It just shows you how mismanaged this organization was due to Melnyk.

Dorion should get another job as an amateur scout, eventually, though. That's it.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

To be fair, this is not without proper consideration.

Most other organizations don't operate this way. If he scouted Boucher that much, and made the call to draft him, he should have been fired several years ago.

He'll get another job as an amateur scout, eventually, though. That's it.

Multiple teams had Boucher in a similar spot. It would hardly be a fireable offence. Especially taking into consideration the context of the 2021 draft, where a 10th overall pick wasn't going to have the same level of certainty as an average draft. It wasn't a typical 10th overall pick type situation.

 

[HF2002]

Multiple teams had Boucher in a similar spot. It would hardly be a fireable offence. Especially taking into consideration the context of the 2021 draft, where a 10th overall pick wasn't going to have the same level of certainty as an average draft. It wasn't a typical 10th overall pick type situation.

So what? Ten other team got him wrong. He's still a basically a second rd pick selected at 10th overall. You hit on some, you miss on others. That's drafting at 18 years old for you.

Hopefully he turns it around in Belleville!

 

[HSF]

Multiple teams had Boucher in a similar spot. It would hardly be a fireable offence. Especially taking into consideration the context of the 2021 draft, where a 10th overall pick wasn't going to have the same level of certainty as an average draft. It wasn't a typical 10th overall pick type situation.

multiple teams? Only heard that Rangers might have had him in their sights

 

[DylanSensFan]

I say patience.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

All of the 9 players picked after him (12-20) have showed more progress and potential than Boucher.

It was a bad pick. A really bad pick. But we have him for a couple more years. He has things that NHL teams like. Hopefully he can at least become a decent AHL player.

 

[Ice-Tray]

So what? Ten other team got him wrong. He's still a basically a second rd pick selected at 10th overall. You hit on some, you miss on others. That's drafting at 18 years old for you.

Hopefully he turns it around in Belleville!

Yeah but you’re picking the COVID draft for your example where no one saw anyone play at all. Pierre didn’t watch Boucher play like he would normally either. They went with a draft plan based on other things and it didn’t work.

Typically the GM has heavy say in the first round picks on most teams, but given that our GM was a scout first, he has said that he devoted time to focus on that pick especially.

We have missed on several 1st rounders, and knocked others out of the park. Boucher was a different animal of a draft where teams had to use different approaches to their drafts than normal. Our approach turned out not be what we hoped.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

multiple teams? Only heard that Rangers might have had him in their sights

Iirc, that was the main reason why we pounced (instead of moving down to select him). Not sure why, as NYR are notorious for making the worst selections possible.

 

[Senator Stanley]

I don't think this was always the case with the Senators. There was plenty of anecdotal evidence that this in upper management (spiritual POHO Eugene Melnyk, and GM Pierre Dorion) may have overruled the scouting staff on certain picks.

There is the famous Pinto debacle, where Mann allegedly threatened to quit if Dorion did not take Pinto. There was also the recent grain of salt tweet by Shawn Simpson that he was contacted and told to stop posting about Askarov on Twitter, because it was getting Melnyk too excited about him as a prospect.

Dorion had always been pretty clear that due to his scouting background, when the Senators had high picks, he would put time into viewing the top prospects and have a lot of input on their top picks.

Dorion said in an interview over the summer that when it was a top 10 pick, it was the GM who made the final decision. After that, he would let Mann (or whoever the head scout was at the time) run the draft.

Of course, if you're Dorion, that's a narrative you're happy to promote - Tkachuk, Stutzle, Sanderson.

 

[BondraTime]

It was a swing and a miss, and one that isn't exactly surprising.

Ostapchuk looks to be a very solid 3rd line guy coming in, so that helps.

Overall though, what a terrible outcome that 2021 draft was. Having the 10th, 37th (Stepan), 39th, and 41st (Roger and Latimer + a 6th) picks and only having Boucher and Ostapchuk to show for it.

 

[Micklebot]

It was a swing and a miss, and one that isn't exactly surprising.

Ostapchuk looks to be a very solid 3rd line guy coming in, so that helps.

Overall though, what a terrible outcome that 2021 draft was. Having the 10th, 37th (Stepan), 39th, and 41st (Roger and Latimer + a 6th) picks and only having Boucher and Ostapchuk to show for it.

It was a bit of a crapshoot of a draft given the circumstances, but even still, that's terrible.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It was a bit of a crapshoot of a draft given the circumstances, but even still, that's terrible.

Not a lot of shooting for upside though. Even taking a chance on a Josh Roy who was a known commodity . Would have been a good year to take some swings on the highest IQ ranked players and hope for the best... Even if they wanted to take Boucher where they took him for the reasons they took him.
Certainly a poor draft for the Sens. Ostapchuk looks like a player so we have to hope he keeps rising in his development.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Dorion loved to take huge gambles, drafing Boucher that high was just another one.

Like most of his gambles, this looks like it will not pan out.

 

[Ice-Tray]

As others have said, at least Ostapchuk is looking promising.

Thankfully we don’t have a ton of roster space, or any really, anymore so it makes it a bit easier to swallow that we could see only one guy push to make the team from that draft.

As we continue on this path it will be come less likely that our picks will be good enough to crack the team, and our drafts will become more about adding transient depth while looking for diamonds.

 

[playasRus]

I'll set expectations low on Boucher (bust) so that if he makes it as a 3rd liner I'll be ecstatic.

 

[Larionov]

I heard a rumour out of Belleville that this has nothing to do with his groin - it is the surgically repaired shoulder that is still giving him trouble. This is third hand from someone close to the team, and I'm certainly not vouching for its accuracy, but it would make sense. Two months for a tweaked groin is ridiculous, but a tweaked groin as a cover for a slow recovery from shoulder surgery makes a lot more sense. Eventually they are going to have to come clean on what is ailing him - not sure why they don't just get it over with...

 

[StoicSensFan]

I heard a rumour out of Belleville that this has nothing to do with his groin - it is the surgically repaired shoulder that is still giving him trouble. This is third hand from someone close to the team, and I'm certainly not vouching for its accuracy, but it would make sense. Two months for a tweaked groin is ridiculous, but a tweaked groin as a cover for a slow recovery from shoulder surgery makes a lot more sense. Eventually they are going to have to come clean on what is ailing him - not sure why they don't just get it over with...

Ottawa and shoulders, god damn