Player Discussion Ty Emberson

[Spawn]

He's better than Ceci.

Ceci was just forced to play 2nd pairing minutes because the coach was dumb.

This continues to be one of the most laughable takes I’ve seen on this forum.

 

[Jarvi]

Emberson is giving up 5ga/60 on the PK, while playing the 2nd most amount of PK minutes.

He is not the issue.

And Stecher gives up 3/60, while Ekholm gives up 10/60. Is Emberson twice as good of a pker as Ekholm? Is Stecher the best pker on the team, and possibly in the league? Hell Slavin on the league best PK is at 6ga/60, maybe theyd trade us him for Emberson?!? Or is that stat maybe a bit flawed? I have my thoughts on why his number is better than players that are obviously better than him, but I'll let you think on it as to why that is, or you can call him the best pker in the league. Idc.

And check your reading comprehension. I literally said he wasn't the problem, but that using pk time as a argument for why he is amazing doesn't really add up when our PK hasn't been great overall. If you wanna take your one stat and assume he's one of the best PKers in the league, go ahead.

 

[Fourier]

Im not saying id rather have signed Desharnais to the deal he got. That was a terrible contract.

Im saying that Desharnais last year is better than Emberson this year in my opinion. We were sold by some that he could fill in for Ceci, instead he hasn’t even been an upgrade on our 3rd pair RHD.

I wasn't suggesting you made that claim. My response was to BBO's post in isolation.

That said I am not sure I would say Vinny was better. They are very different players with different skills.

People were worried about losing Vinny on the pk. In this respect Emberson has done extremely well surprisingly. Last year Vinny played 159 minutes on the pk and with him on the ice the team gave up goals at a rate of 8.27GA/60. This year Emberson has been on for 72 minutes so far and his GA/60 is 5.0. And that is despite the fact that the Oilers pk% this year so far is worse than it was over the full season last year. Both players of course have benefitted playing with Ekholm on the pk. And with him on the ice the numbers are similar.

5 vs 5 Vinny has a big edged in GA/60 at 1.71 to 2.81. Though Emberson's numbers are skewed by the first couple of months. Since Dec 1 he is at 2.4 GA/60. Both guys have definitely been sheltered with mostly weaker opposition though Vinny did play a bit more vs mid tier competition.

Where I think Emberson is a clear upgrade on Vinny is with the puck on his stick.

 

[Fourier]

And Stecher gives up 3/60, while Ekholm gives up 10/60. Is Emberson twice as good of a pker as Ekholm? Is Stecher the best pker on the team, and possibly in the league? Hell Slavin on the league best PK is at 6ga/60, maybe theyd trade us him for Emberson?!? Or is that stat maybe a bit flawed? I have my thoughts on why his number is better than players that are obviously better than him, but I'll let you think on it as to why that is, or you can call him the best pker in the league. Idc.

And check your reading comprehension. I literally said he wasn't the problem, but that using pk time as a argument for why he is amazing doesn't really add up when our PK hasn't been great overall. If you wanna take your one stat and assume he's one of the best PKers in the league, go ahead.

All these stats are noisy. This is especially true when sample size is small as it generally is with the pk. I think everyone knows that. (Stecher's TOI makes his numbers pretty much meaningless. )
But they do add context. In fact as a pair Emberson's number one partner has been Ekholm and right now they seem to be the choice to play vs the oppositions best. And together their GA/60 is a very good 4.34. But again the sample size is small at only 50 minutes. Looking at other numbers it is pretty clear that Emberson has benefitted from Ekholm's presence and the fact that they became a pair at a time when the Oilers pp as a whole has been much much better. But no matter how you cut it, he is very much keeping his head above water in this role.

 

[Jumptheshark]

For me he has been good in the role he has been playing. He is a good 5/6 guy. But for posters to start saying he should be out 3/4 guy would cause him to become the newest whipping boy.

 

[Spawn]

Is there anything that you can really point to that suggests this is the case?

In my mind Emberson is a huge improvement over Vinnie. That guy could not skate or make a breakout pass. Emberson is confident with the puck. Emberson has also been able to solidfy himself as one of our best penalty killers in his pairing with Ekholm.

I think it was a bit insane to expect a guy who had like 40 NHL games played to be a top 4 dman and measure up to an NHL vet in Cody Ceci who has played like 800 Nhl games. For defenceman especially development just doesn't work that way. Only the real studs, like a Brock Faber, can really step into top 4 minutes with ease with no NHL experience.

I find Emberson to be a refresh on the back end. He plays the way that the NHL game is played now - good skater, can make a pass, always in the right position.

The Oilers give up more than a full goal more per 60 minutes with Emberson on the ice at 5v5 compared to Desharnais last season. The offense is a saw off too, Desharnais had 11 points in 78 games last season. Emberson has 6 points in 40 games.

For our regular 6 d-men Emberson is worst in both GF/60 and GA/60. The only two d-men who have worse results than Emberson on our team this season are Dermott and Brown.

 

[McDNicks17]

The Oilers give up more than a full goal more per 60 minutes with Emberson on the ice at 5v5 compared to Desharnais last season. The offense is a saw off too, Desharnais had 11 points in 78 games last season. Emberson has 6 points in 40 games.

For our regular 6 d-men Emberson is worst in both GF/60 and GA/60. The only two d-men who have worse results than Emberson on our team this season are Dermott and Brown.

I think raw goals is kind of pointless to look at.

Emberson has an .894 onSV%(and it was something hilarious like .700 early in the season) compared to Desharnais' .931 onSV% last year.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

This continues to be one of the most laughable takes I’ve seen on this forum.

Ceci was solid in his first season here and then his level of play sank along with Nurse's. Neither are fit for Nurse's partner on the 2nd pairing, but I would take Emberson over Ceci all day on the 3rd pairing at 1/3 the price to boot.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Ceci was solid in his first season here and then his level of play sank along with Nurse's. Neither are fit for Nurse's partner on the 2nd pairing, but I would take Emberson over Ceci all day on the 3rd pairing at 1/3 the price to boot.

It's not even debatable. Emberson over Ceci.

Ceci isn't the same player he once was.

Fans get attached to players. Let their emotions get involved.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

Loving him more and more these days. Kid does everything except get points which is perfect fine.

 

[SwedishFire]

We need a trade for a top 4 Right D, I don't see Emberson being that guy but you never know until the real season starts.

He can absolutly be that guy, but needs more seasoning. He is that player that will get steady when he has 5-6 years of NHL experience.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He can absolutly be that guy, but needs more seasoning. He is that player that will get steady when he has 5-6 years of NHL experience.

Maybe, but he needs to move the puck better and have better offensive instincts for that, I'm not certain they're there, but he's a solid player who I hope the extend soon.

 

[Yuke]

Definitely getting better each day. He needs to get better transitioning skating backwards to forwards. Seems to get caught "flatfooted" every second game.

 

[TheNumber4]

Maybe, but he needs to move the puck better and have better offensive instincts for that, I'm not certain they're there, but he's a solid player who I hope the extend soon.

Yeh that’s how I see it too. He will be limited by his offence and puck moving to be our answer as at 4RHD. That said, last game was one of his more impressive offensive showings. But if you look at Embersons profile, offence has just never been part of his game. I think he’ll be a defensive defenceman in his career like a Staois. And that’s fine for our 3rd pair.