Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Cat wanted to come here and only here, Ottawa didn't have a choice. In the open market, it's pure cattle auction. Highest bidder wins. So we better hope that Kyle Connor gets homesick real soon, otherwise big name trades ain't happening any time soon. Without something valuable going to other direction and direct quote was "we ain't there yet".

‘We ain’t there yet’ because the GM is sitting on his hands.

 

[RRhoads]

Second, Kadri and his contract is still way better than Tank or Compher and their contracts. I’d happily take him from Calgary.

4 years of Kadri at 7M. He will be 38 by the time it is over. Please no.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

4 years of Kadri at 7M. He will be 38 by the time it is over. Please no.

You mean Kadri that just scored 30 goals? I don’t care about his age. I care about whether or not he’s a good player. Right now he’s still good.

Compher looked cooked about halfway into his first year as a wing. This year was proof of that. And he’s got 3 more years at over 5 mil? No thank you.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I recognize this is borne out of frustration with missing the playoffs, but turning this press conference into a referendum on Larkin is pretty overblown. The way some of you are talking, he came out blaming everyone and everything but himself. Seriously? How many times have we heard him say "I need to be better" or something similar? The issues with this team are multilayered and I really think a lot of you aren't thinking about the consequences of trading him.

Did he say once in the press conference that “I need to get better”? Nope. Did he acknowledge improvement under McLelllan and speak positively about the coaching change or the development of Marco or Simon? Nope. Did he make a cringe comment about 4th round draft picks? Yep. Did he say anything to show he feels positive about the direction of the franchise? Nope.

Does that sound like captain material to you?

 

[13to40]

Talbot did steal games for the Wings, particularly in the first half of the season. Overall the goaltending hasn't been Vezina caliber with the Husso experiment and Lyon faltering, but more often than not it was good enough to win.

I'd put team defense, secondary scoring, and definitely the PK as issues well ahead of goaltending.

Talbot stealing a few games isn’t enough to counter the overall SV% of the team’s goaltending. Forget about the weak goal that would go in just about every night at the worst possible time. Goaltending has been an Achilles heal this past season… that and Justin Holl being on the ice.

 

[RRhoads]

You mean Kadri that just scored 30 goals? I don’t care about his age. I care about whether or not he’s a good player. Right now he’s still good.

Compher looked cooked about halfway into his first year as a wing. This year was proof of that. And he’s got 3 more years at over 5 mil? No thank you.

He is 34, and I am not sure how long he will keep up his production. Those 7 millions are better spent elsewhere.

 

[RabidBadger]

Just don't want any bottom 6Fs or bottom 2 Ds.

I do if they can make a difference. Depth scoring was a glaring weakness this year. I saw Trent Fredrik, Joel Armia and Jake Evans in the rumor mill at the trade deadline. I'm not saying we could have snagged any of them, but if we could add players like that, those are the types of guys that can put a jolt of energy into your bottom 6.

 

[minimal]

Did he say once in the press conference that “I need to get better”? Nope. Did he acknowledge improvement under McLelllan and speak positively about the coaching change or the development of Marco or Simon? Nope. Did he make a cringe comment about 4th round draft picks? Yep. Did he say anything to show he feels positive about the direction of the franchise? Nope.

Does that sound like captain material to you?

Yeah I don't necessarily care about that because I've heard it all season. If he wants to air it out now, then it is what it is. Yes, he is captain material whether you want to crucify him for being frustrated with not doing something as simple as making a move to put Holl/Tarasenko/etc out of the daily lineup or not.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Yeah I don't necessarily care about that because I've heard it all season. If he wants to air it out now, then it is what it is. Yes, he is captain material whether you want to crucify him for being frustrated with not doing something as simple as making a move to put Holl/Tarasenko/etc out of the daily lineup or not.

That's a bunch of word salad that means nothing. So please answer one very specific question: does Dylan Larkin bear any responsibility for captaining a hockey team that lost 15 of 20 matches from February 29, 2024 to April 11, 2024 and thereby bottled a playoff spot?

 

[Run the Jewels]

Talbot stealing a few games isn’t enough to counter the overall SV% of the team’s goaltending. Forget about the weak goal that would go in just about every night at the worst possible time. Goaltending has been an Achilles heal this past season… that and Justin Holl being on the ice.

Talbot was perfectly average this season. Average in goals against percentage, average in goalie point shares, slightly above average quality start percentage, bang average in really bad starts. Anyone focusing on PK save percentage on a team with historically bad PK stats should be embarrassed.

 

[minimal]

That's a bunch of word salad that means nothing. So please answer one very specific question: does Dylan Larkin bear any responsibility for captaining a hockey team that lost 15 of 20 matches from February 29, 2024 to April 11, 2024 and thereby bottled a playoff spot?

It's only a word salad if you're being willfully obtuse.

You're acting like this is some kind of gotcha? I've never said that he's immune from criticism and that he's not responsible for the team. What I am saying is that the guy isn't McDavid and can't single handedly pull the team into the playoffs when the bottom half of the lineup is clearly not good enough. And that this is so myopic to focus on just this year when literally just last season it was clear that he was important enough and a good enough leader to pull the team within an inch of the playoffs. If you don't want to give credit for that, then I don't know what to tell you other than you're being too emotional and you're looking for one specific martyr.

So once again: he's captain-worthy and how about instead of trading away good players, the front office works on acquiring other good players to surround them?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I'm confused.

 

[stillwater]

I'm confused.

Exactly, great post!

Lock the thread!

 

[Run the Jewels]

It's only a word salad if you're being willfully obtuse.

You're acting like this is some kind of gotcha? I've never said that he's immune from criticism and that he's not responsible for the team. What I am saying is that the guy isn't McDavid and can't single handedly pull the team into the playoffs when the bottom half of the lineup is clearly not good enough. And that this is so myopic to focus on just this year when literally just last season it was clear that he was important enough and a good enough leader to pull the team within an inch of the playoffs. If you don't want to give credit for that, then I don't know what to tell you other than you're being too emotional and you're looking for one specific martyr.

So once again: he's captain-worthy and how about instead of trading away good players, the front office works on acquiring other good players to surround them?

A few facts for your consideration:

• Yzerman committed $116m in total salary through free agency in the summers of 2022 & 2023.
• As of February 28, 2024 the team was in 6th place, 4 points behind Toronto and Carolina, pacing to put up 99 points and be +31 in goal differential.
• Team faceplanted from February 29-April 11, 2024 and bottled a playoff spot.
• LOL at claiming Larkin was "important enough and a good enough leader to pull the team within an inch of the playoffs". The team lost 15 of 20 games to bottle a playoff spot. FACT. Try to wave this away, but results are results and this is a results business.
• Did it once again this year when Copp got inured, but of course Yzerman should have done more, it's impossible to ask precious Dylan to help get a team across the line. Instead Marco kicks f**king ass:
• After Copp went down, Kasper put up 10 goals 7 assists and was +8.
• After Copp went down, Larkin put up 6 goals, 6 EVS assists and was -15.

I'd be OK with Larkin if he didn't throw a pity party for himself every time someone sticks a microphone in front of him. That's not leadership and the fact the team wilted down the stretch two years in a row isn't a good sign for him as a leader. I know you'll make every excuse possible for him and I guess that's fine, but the facts don't support your view that Larkin is some sort of great leader. As I said earlier, I think he was all pissy during his end of season presser because he didn't like what he heard from Todd in their final meeting before he cleaned out his locker.

Do you support him continuing to whine the way he did in his last presser? Is that the type of leadership you want for the Red Wings?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Exactly, great post!

Lock the thread!

Is the board pro rebuild?

Or

Pro retool?

Help?

 

[ElProfessor]

This topic got locked for some reason.. trading Larkin and DeBrincat:

In 6yrs Seider (30) and Raymond (29) will still have 5’ish yrs of great hockey left. But Larkin (34) and DeBrincat (33, if we can resign him) will probably just be hanging on as 3rd liners.

I think we could get two 1st Rd picks for each this summer. And I think that’d be the right move — along with a veteran FA spending spree this summer so we don’t take a step back (overpay for Tavares, Duchene, Marchand, Orlov, Kane, etc. on 3’ish yr deals)

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Idea of what the team could look like Seider’s age-30 season:

25 DET 1st(24)—Kasper(27)—Raymond(29)
26 DET 1st(23)—Danielson(26)—MBN(25)
Buchelnikov(27)—25 Lar 1st(24)—26 Lar 1st(23)
Soder(29) — ??? — Mazur(28)

Edvinsson(28)—Seider(30)
25 DeB 1st(24)—ASP(26)
Johansson(30)—26 DeB 1st(23)

Cossa(28), Augustine(26)

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Idea of what next yr’s team could look like:

Tavares—Duchene—Raymond
Marchand—Kasper—Kane
Soder—Danielson—Mazur
Ras—Copp—Compher

Edvinsson—Seider
Orlov—Johansson (ASP mid yr)
Chiarot—AHL RD (Johansson mid yr)

Mrazek, Talbot

 

[Run the Jewels]

I'm confused.

Does this sound like captain material to you?

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Is the board pro rebuild?

Or

Pro retool?

Help?

Definitely think we need a retool and add cause the likes of tarasenko holl gustafsson compher Rasmussen should all be gone and likely berggren will be gone soon enough

Got np dealing the 2025 1st and 2026 1st (top 10 protected) to pieces that can be here longterm

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Definitely think we need a retool and add cause the likes of tarasenko holl gustafsson compher Rasmussen should all be gone and likely berggren will be gone soon enough

Got np dealing the 2025 1st and 2026 1st (top 10 protected) to pieces that can be here longterm

And what are you trading to rid Detroit of said contracts?

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

And what are you trading to rid Detroit of said contracts?

Tarasenko been saying getting a 3rd team involved is the way to go. Retain 50% and the 3rd team does the same and gets the 5th and we get the "futures" under 1.2 someone takes him

Holl buyout or ahl,just send him away

Compher I think will take a team that wants to get rid of someone. I'd have to look more but kreider comes to mind, not the same player but he scored 20 and is a big body and plays tough game which we seriously lack.

I'd say he can score 25-30 here .. berggren I'd package him with a 1st for romanov or someone similar. I think he can be a good throw in for a bigger trade, I'd hate to just deal him for a 3rd alone and then have to attach finnie/kiiskinen in a separate move

Rasmussen can be the same like berggren, player we can attach in a bigger move over someone we might like better. Dont think berggren or Rasmussen have a longterm future here

Forget who else , I dont think yzerman would trade like 5 guys but I'd be aggressive and change this roster and also find room for danielson,mazur etc..

 

[norrisnick]

Does this sound like captain material to you?

Is there anything less meaningful than a media scrum to determine that?

 

[Run the Jewels]

Is there anything less meaningful than a media scrum to determine that?

There's everything I posted here.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Tarasenko been saying getting a 3rd team involved is the way to go. Retain 50% and the 3rd team does the same and gets the 5th and we get the "futures" under 1.2 someone takes him

Holl buyout or ahl,just send him away

Compher I think will take a team that wants to get rid of someone. I'd have to look more but kreider comes to mind, not the same player but he scored 20 and is a big body and plays tough game which we seriously lack.

I'd say he can score 25-30 here .. berggren I'd package him with a 1st for romanov or someone similar. I think he can be a good throw in for a bigger trade, I'd hate to just deal him for a 3rd alone and then have to attach finnie/kiiskinen in a separate move

Rasmussen can be the same like berggren, player we can attach in a bigger move over someone we might like better. Dont think berggren or Rasmussen have a longterm future here

Forget who else , say I dont think yzerman would trade like 5 guys but I'd be aggressive and change this roster and also find room for danielson,mazur etc..

Tarasenko has been saying that?
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Old Power Forward on the decline.

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I like the aggression.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Is the board pro rebuild?

Or

Pro retool?

Help?

Oof...a full on rebuild at this point would be a disaster..

Not sure how we do a retool at this point..

 

[norrisnick]

There's everything I posted here.

Fair, some of those are less meaningful than a media scrum. Good catch.