Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part III - MOD WARNING 671
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Aeroforce
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The pre and post Nashville game stats make for a nice 'Aha, that's it' moment, but at best I don't think it's quite that simple; at worst it could be another excuse for EverettMike's instantly-legendary 'Tap-Out-Tuukka' nickname.
I'm not a stats guru, but just doing a brief perusal of Rask's game log for the season, there was a decline before the Nashville game (granted his hot start was not sustainable). http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/4958/gamelog
12/3 SV% .941 18 games played
1/12 SV% .926 33 games played
So his SV% slipped 15 points in 15 games, pre-Nashville.
Before the 4 game losing streak:
3/13 SV% .914 after 53 games, meaning his SV% slipped another 12 points in 20 games.
I know there are lots of other factors behind numbers - quality of shots, quality of competition, a coaching change, sample size, etc.
I'm just not ready to let Rask off the hook because of something that happened in January. I saw Crawford take a Shea Weber bullet right to the head. He looked dazed but wanted no part of leaving the game (he stayed in and led the Hawks to victory over the Habs).
If it's disclosed when the season is over that there was an injury, then maybe I'll understand. But then I won't understand the front office knowing there was a problem and not addressing it.
Trap Jesus
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He wasn't good for about a month before the Nashville incident anyways.
Bruins keep things to the outside for the most part, so he's worse than his numbers actually are this year.
Bruins keep things to the outside for the most part, so he's worse than his numbers actually are this year.
He's always had attitude issues and can flat out suck for stretches at a time, but I still think he's an elite goalie in the right situation. I'm not entirely ready to give up on him just yet.
A lighter regular season workload + good defensive structure = Vezina candidate Tuukka.
A lighter regular season workload + good defensive structure = Vezina candidate Tuukka.
GloveSave1
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I called it. Sure enough. When he was flexing his legs in the crease a few half-hearted saves before the stinking Druin deciding goal...I was like, "oh no, we're screwed."
And so is DS...they won't make the playoffs and he pasted on picking up a back-up at the deadline. That will make sure of it.
And so is DS...they won't make the playoffs and he pasted on picking up a back-up at the deadline. That will make sure of it.
VanIsle
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If they miss this year you s*** can him.
Elite goalies dont faulter down the stretch this many times in a row.
Elite goalies dont faulter down the stretch this many times in a row.
bruinmann77
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i just dont see rask being the goalie to lead us to a cup and if we get an offer they should explore it
Aeroforce
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Rask would be a good fit for a market like Dallas. There's a supportive fan base, but the media and fan scrutiny is far less than in Northeastern markets.
Problem is, addressing our defense trading with Dallas won't work since they are not strong defensively either; plus the last trade with them didn't exactly work out in our favor.
Problem is, addressing our defense trading with Dallas won't work since they are not strong defensively either; plus the last trade with them didn't exactly work out in our favor.
Estlin
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I'd be happy to see Boston get Lindell or Honka from Dallas as part of a deal for Rask.
The issue with Dallas is they already have over 10 million committed to two goalies next year. Both having NTC.
So realistically one of them would have to be convinced to come here. Still leaving Dallas spending over 12 million in goalies for the year.
So realistically one of them would have to be convinced to come here. Still leaving Dallas spending over 12 million in goalies for the year.
They need a back-up that can win some games. Until the coaching change, the only wins came from Rask. It has been bad for 3 seasons now.
Aeroforce
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I haven't seen as much of Honka, but really like Lindell. Nill probably gets that one of them would have to be included in the package, but after what he pulled off with Seguin, I imagine he'd keep insisting it be Johns or Oleksiak.
And that's the other problem.
Granted Dallas' defense is terrible, but that two-headed monster goalie experiment blew up the chemistry lab.
CombatOnContact
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I hate to say this but I'm now of the belief that Tuukka is a big part of what ails this team. Lower body discomfort keeps you out of the biggest game of the year? That wouldn't sit well with teammates in my opinion. Pile that on with what happened last year.. I'm sure there's some talk among the guys.. not good.
Rask was considered by many people to be the best goaltender not in the NHL when the Bruins acquired him. He was considered by many to have elite potential before ever playing an NHL game. He received elite goaltender money based upon his statistics though he had not actually set himself apart as a champion goaltender.
While it is true he has shown he can be a very good goalie in the NHL capable of giving his team a winning chance on any might they play well in front of him, he has never proven he can win or more importantly steal a must win game, never mind a championship.
Maybe I was spoiled by the run Thomas had 2010-11. People like to say Rask had better numbers in the 13 playoffs than Thomas in 11, but I often wonder if Boston would have won in 13 if they had the 11 Thomas in net.
Rask is a very good goalie, but to me he has to prove he really wants it, is mentally tough, and can constantly win/steal the must win game, and ultimately a championship. Until then he is just very good.
While it is true he has shown he can be a very good goalie in the NHL capable of giving his team a winning chance on any might they play well in front of him, he has never proven he can win or more importantly steal a must win game, never mind a championship.
Maybe I was spoiled by the run Thomas had 2010-11. People like to say Rask had better numbers in the 13 playoffs than Thomas in 11, but I often wonder if Boston would have won in 13 if they had the 11 Thomas in net.
Rask is a very good goalie, but to me he has to prove he really wants it, is mentally tough, and can constantly win/steal the must win game, and ultimately a championship. Until then he is just very good.
Three years I have been posting about getting rid of Rask and took a lot of flack, but I'm glad people are seeing what I have seen and known for a long time.
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I have not watched any games since i decided to not follow this joke league for other reasons which I already have mentioned in the past.
However, I fell like chiming in here and say that Rask always led me to believe that he does have all the skills in the world to be great but what he lacks is upstairs in the psyche department.
It is apparent more and more and I am afraid this is definitely a downfall that if he is unable to overcome any time soon he will always fall short to lead this team where it should be.
I am not saying it is his fault entirely that the Bruins are where they are but there are times and moments where a goalie needs to be unbeatable and steal a few for the team to keep above water and keep on trucking to get to the playoffs.
Wishing all the Bruin fans the best outcome possible.....
However, I fell like chiming in here and say that Rask always led me to believe that he does have all the skills in the world to be great but what he lacks is upstairs in the psyche department.
It is apparent more and more and I am afraid this is definitely a downfall that if he is unable to overcome any time soon he will always fall short to lead this team where it should be.
I am not saying it is his fault entirely that the Bruins are where they are but there are times and moments where a goalie needs to be unbeatable and steal a few for the team to keep above water and keep on trucking to get to the playoffs.
Wishing all the Bruin fans the best outcome possible.....
Lady Rhian
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Strange comment indeed.
When Rask is hot, he is unbelievable. He hasn't been hot in a long time.
I'm reluctant to pile in on him, just in case there is something more serious going on behind the scenes. Hoping he doesn't have a serious illness or something else, because he sure hasn't played as well recently for sure. The other night, I got frustrated with him several times dropping to his knees, before the opposing players took a shot at him. This caused a couple of goals due to the other side of the net being wide open, and caused a few other near goals. He's been awful the last few games for sure.
Does anyone know if this is an injury related situation going on with him? I admit, I haven't dug into any media reports today, I've been sick myself and not up to much reading today. I haven't see anything in this thread that tells me it is an injury related issue that he's out for tonight.
I have not watched any games since i decided to not follow this joke league for other reasons which I already have mentioned in the past.
However, I fell like chiming in here and say that Rask always led me to believe that he does have all the skills in the world to be great but what he lacks is upstairs in the psyche department.
It is apparent more and more and I am afraid this is definitely a downfall that if he is unable to overcome any time soon he will always fall short to lead this team where it should be.
I am not saying it is his fault entirely that the Bruins are where they are but there are times and moments where a goalie needs to be unbeatable and steal a few for the team to keep above water and keep on trucking to get to the playoffs.
Wishing all the Bruin fans the best outcome possible.....
Great post. I have been saying this a long time. I mentioned this after last years tummy ache that Rask would benefit from seeing a sports psychologist. Got absolutely chased off the boards for
even mentioning it. It has really worked for Eddie Lack.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/article140078163.html
I won't speculate about something I don't know (maybe more here should try it?), but I do know this: I've never heard of a professional athlete who didn't want to play in a big game. Usually the bigger the game, the more they want to play.
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LouJersey
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Some guys need to be restrained from playing. Some will take whatever shots are needed to play. Some have low pain thresholds and don't need much to not play. Some love to make excuses to not play. Just like any place of employment I would think. Just substitute work for play.
After what guys saw Patrice Bergeron play through, you would think their tolerance and inspiration would be high.
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