Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part III - MOD WARNING 671

[PlayoffBeard365]

there is no denying Rask can be a tremendous goaltender at times, and I feel sometimes he just get lazy in the net and doesn't work hard. This is what is frustrating about him.

Game 1:

-fighting through screen to see the puck
- rebound control was great (this is one of his weaknesses IMO)
- position was great, was working hard to be square to every shot.

Game 2:

- not fighting through screens and too deep in his net (wideman goal)
- rebound control (ultimately led to phaneuf goal)
- not square to the shooters

A lot of it with Rask when I watch is his compete level it can be low at times. The other is I wonder if the moment gets to big for him and butterfly's creep in.

I have wanted this guy gone for a long time as i still don't believe you can win with him at the 7 million price tag. That being said I would like a consistent effort from this guy.

I also want to point out when he and the team went on that run near the end I truly felt he played well,but was not tested all that much as the team played really good in front of him.

If we're going to win this serious he needs to steal it..

As I have stated since day 1 I hope he proves me wrong!!

I concur with your assessment. Consistency is what makes the greats GREAT. For $7 mill we need great.

Rask is maddening to watch. He puts it together one game and looks focused and prepared and the next he looks lost.

That said, hockey is a lot about bounces and goals will be scored. No science with that. But he's gotta show up prepared to battle.

 

[CDJ]

All goalies allow goals and all goalies have games where they allow 4. The guy just stood on his head for the last month. He had his first so-so game in a long time. That is the definition of consistency

 

[PlayoffBeard365]

All goalies allow goals and all goalies have games where they allow 4. The guy just stood on his head for the last month. He had his first so-so game in a long time. That is the definition of consistency

Over the last month (March 2nd to April 8th) Rask had 7 Wins and 7 Losses. That is anything but consistent.

Dobby was 4-1 over that same span. I would argue Dobby did more to pull the team thru to the playoffs than Tuukka. In part by giving #40 some rest.

I like Tuukka. He's my avatar if you see it. But the guy needs to show some give a damn every night.

Yes, all goalies have games they give up bad goals and bunches of goals. Even the great ones.

Tuukka had a great game 1 versus the Sens. Poor game 2. Lets see how he does tonight.

 

[CDJ]

It's interesting that you cherry picked the 2nd and not the 8th of March- which was a day they had a game on (you know... an ACTUAL month span)


Almost like you did that so you could skew his record....



I bet you also think W/L record matters for pitchers in baseball too. It's an odd stat to cherry pick considering it doesn't really prove anything

 

[LSCII]

It's interesting that you cherry picked the 2nd and not the 8th of March- which was a day they had a game on (you know... an ACTUAL month span)


Almost like you did that so you could skew his record....



I bet you also think W/L record matters for pitchers in baseball too. It's an odd stat to cherry pick considering it doesn't really prove anything

 

[PlayoffBeard365]

It's interesting that you cherry picked the 2nd and not the 8th of March- which was a day they had a game on (you know... an ACTUAL month span)


Almost like you did that so you could skew his record....



I bet you also think W/L record matters for pitchers in baseball too. It's an odd stat to cherry pick considering it doesn't really prove anything

Okay then, lets play that game and use your language including "consistent" and "stand on head".

His record is 8 wins 5 losses over the last 30 days of the season. He gave up 2.3 goals per game. Good but certainly not standing on his head.

If you want to revise your assessment to a 4 game stretch where Rask stood on his head. No argument from me. For the last month however, we was the definition of streaky but came up big when it mattered most.

I know hockey is not a sport where one person is the reason for a W or a L. I have been a sports fan for many a years and realize the nuances.

 

[CDJ]

Okay then, lets play that game and use your language including "consistent" and "stand on head".

His record is 8 wins 5 losses over the last 30 days of the season. He gave up 2.3 goals per game. Certainly not standing on his head.

If you want to revise your assessment to a 4 game stretch where Rask stood on his head. No argument from me. For the last month however, we was the definition of streaky but came up big when it mattered most.

I know hockey is not a sport where one person is the reason for a W or a L. I have been a sports fan for many a years and realize the nuances.

8-5 2.30 is pretty gd good in front of this unit. Sv%?

I will not revise my statement. He has been remarkably consistent of late. A month was slightly hyperbolic, but he's been the model of consistency these past 3/4 weeks


And that's exactly what you were doing huh? Cherrypicking dates to enhance your argument? I see you, I do it all the time

 

[PlayoffBeard365]

8-5 2.30 is pretty gd good in front of this unit. Sv%?

I will not revise my statement. He has been remarkably consistent of late. A month was slightly hyperbolic, but he's been the model of consistency these past 3/4 weeks


And that's exactly what you were doing huh? Cherrypicking dates to enhance your argument? I see you, I do it all the time

Oh no I def was. Not denying that one : )

 

[DKH]

A Rask shut out or one goal tonight he sits alone statistically as the greatest playoff goalie in NHL history 50 games played

Let me be the first to thank you for your playoff performance

 

[CDJ]

Oh no I def was. Not denying that one : )

I respect it, like I said I'm a master at that. Standing on his head was a stretch, I'll change my statement. Dammit. Still great tho

But I agree with you in khudobin being HUGE for this team down the stretch too. That can't be emphasized enough.

 

[PlayoffBeard365]

A Rask shut out or one goal tonight he sits alone statistically as the greatest playoff goalie in NHL history 50 games played

Let me be the first to thank you for your playoff performance

Did I read this right? I mean I want to believe but...got some of them fancy statistics for us?

 

[DKH]

Did I read this right? I mean I want to believe but...got some of them fancy statistics for us?

Not only that but you you factor in AUSM a measurement to adjust for the defense infront of a goalie it's unarguable

Brodeur had Stevens, Nedermayer, Rafolski, Daneyko and others

Dryden had Robinson Lapointe Savard even Langway and Awrey and Engblom

I could go and on

Rask based on save % and metrics rates the best

 

[PlayoffBeard365]

What if Sens have 1 shot and Tuukka lets it in?

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

What if Sens have 1 shot and Tuukka lets it in?

Then Tuukka adds another win in the playoffs and the Bruins lead 2-1 after 3 games.

 

[PlayoffBeard365]

I see what ya did there.

Sounds good.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Well I'm usually really good at reading body language in real life and hockey as far as I know is real life so what gives. Tuukka's body language often says the same thing when a a bad goal is scored. He looks at a given player or shrugs his shoulders as to say WTF are you doing. I can't count the times I have seen him do that even if I use both hands and my feet.

That's just how some guys are. Drove me nuts when Lackey used to do it while playing for Sox. However, assumptions should not be made about how teammates feel about it. Lackey was, by every account, one of the most popular guys in the Boston clubhouse, and his fellow players just knew he was uber-competitive.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Tuukka has never been able to handle these ultra high work load seasons. Price struggled at it as well down the stretch. Even Butch has commented that price was over played when he took control.

A better course of action would have been to manage the backups better. Dobby played well down the stretch and I don't know why he sucked under CJ but tuukka should have been rested more.

Neither was Thomas.

The years he won the Vezina he played 55 and 58 games. You could say that Rask was a big part in helping Thomas snag that hardware because it allowed him to be rested when he did play.

Thomas had Rask...Rask had nobody the last few years. Hoping Z-Mac becomes that guy.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

there is no denying Rask can be a tremendous goaltender at times, and I feel sometimes he just get lazy in the net and doesn't work hard. This is what is frustrating about him.

Game 1:

-fighting through screen to see the puck
- rebound control was great (this is one of his weaknesses IMO)
- position was great, was working hard to be square to every shot.

Game 2:

- not fighting through screens and too deep in his net (wideman goal)
- rebound control (ultimately led to phaneuf goal)
- not square to the shooters

A lot of it with Rask when I watch is his compete level it can be low at times. The other is I wonder if the moment gets to big for him and butterfly's creep in.

I have wanted this guy gone for a long time as i still don't believe you can win with him at the 7 million price tag. That being said I would like a consistent effort from this guy.

I also want to point out when he and the team went on that run near the end I truly felt he played well,but was not tested all that much as the team played really good in front of him.

If we're going to win this serious he needs to steal it..

As I have stated since day 1 I hope he proves me wrong!!

Please expand on this. Why can the B's not win with Rask at $7m specifically? Could they win with him at $5m? $3.5m? Is his salary so exorbitant that it's preventing the B's from signing players that could get them another Cup?

 

[NDiesel]

Wasn't good on I believe the second goal - clear shot without a screen even.

Saved them a bunch of times as well though.

 

[VanIsle]

2 sub .880% games in a row, just not good enough.

29 and 32 shots against and both OT games.

If they lose this series you let him go.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

2 sub .880% games in a row, just not good enough.

29 and 32 shots against and both OT games.

If they lose this series you let him go.

Let him go where? Vegas?

I can't say I love him but c'mon. Hasek ain't winning with this defense.

 

[Pia8988]

And it begins again.

 

[Lady Rhian]

Not only that but you you factor in AUSM a measurement to adjust for the defense infront of a goalie it's unarguable

Brodeur had Stevens, Nedermayer, Rafolski, Daneyko and others

Dryden had Robinson Lapointe Savard even Langway and Awrey and Engblom

I could go and on

Rask based on save % and metrics rates the best

Great post!

I wish he did have only one goal against tonight. he deserves that honor, especially with half of our defensemen out. he made an amazing save in the first period that made me eyes pop out of my head- I still can't fathom how he did it.

 

[CDJ]

And it begins again.

Unsurprising. When they win it's in spite of him and when they lose it's because of him

 

[PB37]

I thought he made some big stops and looked better than he did in the last game. While giving up 4 goals is still giving up 4 goals, he kept the game winnable by blanking the Sens as the Bruins turned the tide of the game.

When you dissect the goals given up

- Hoffman's breakaway goal on a pretty sweet move

- Hoffman's blast was a hell of a shot

- Liles abandoned his man along the post to chase after a guy behind the net who didn't even have the puck

- Cross dropped coverage on the GW goal and didn't recover fast enough

I thought Rask played well enough for us to win this game and Anderson played poorly enough to where the Sens could very well have lost the game - it just didn't happen that way.