Trouba proves he’s the biggest joke in the league

[Jared Dunn]

Okay so to be fair. The neuroscience thing about his wife was unnecessary. Hard to argue against charity. Though I get the point he's making about the Messier leadership award, he should have stuck to on the ice stuff.

Everything else said about his play though was totally valid criticism. Deflection to suicide awareness is bizarre behavior by Trouba and even worse when you consider what a chickenwinging piece of shit he is on the ice. You're one of the dirtiest players in the league and you should be ready for league wide criticism - especially if it's coming from hockey media. Barring the wife's charity comment the guy's just doing his job.

Spot on - the wife comments were unneeded but he also didn't actually go at his wife in any way

 

[Turin]

There are a lot of keyboard warriors in this thread that wouldn't have the balls to say what they've said in this thread to his face.

It's completely unfair the amount of stuff that people are throwing on

Doesn’t matter. The players who don’t respect him for always trying to ruin their careers because he sucks at defense probably say it to him all the time for me.

 

[SomeDude]

But you have instead chosen to go out of your way to go after the guy.

Just like how Trouba plays hockey.

 

[Turin]

And if you gave nothing, then that would be an acceptable or understandable position. But you have instead chosen to go out of your way to go after the guy.

Yup. Because he’s not owed my approval. What are you having a hard time with here?

 

[Jared Dunn]

There are a lot of keyboard warriors in this thread that wouldn't have the balls to say what they've said in this thread to his face.

It's completely unfair the amount of stuff that people are throwing on him.

Brother have you seen the economy I am PRAYING for that aggravated assault + lawsuit

 

[Viqsi]

Of course they do. But when has Trouba done that?

This twitter post reads like “I’m gonna do what I want and you guys shouldn’t criticize me because I might kill myself”. That’s not “hey I f***ed up and I want to try to be better”.

The "because I might kill myself" by itself is a massive red flag. That's why it would need to be looked into. Obviously his headhunting behavior can't continue - and frankly I think he ought to be pulled from the league before he cripples somebody - but someone who's so far into the weeds as to be making threats like that is already potentially in serious danger.

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Lying about what though? It seems to me like he's pretty calculated by not saying outright that it's the way he feels, he's just heavily implying with no real evidence that media criticism causes athletes to kill themself in a time when he's facing heavy, and deserved, criticism. "You never know, so never criticize people" I think that's bs frankly, it's part of the job

Not outright saying it is a common way of trying to drop hints about this stuff. It's dangerous to presume one way or the other, and requires investigation rather than jumping to conclusions. I'm objecting because folks here are jumping to the worst possible conclusions.

 

[Beau Knows]

He isn't wrong per se. The sheer amount of online discussion and the level of media coverage that exists these days must make it inescapable, it can't be easy to deal with. When you're playing poorly in a big market, in big games while being criticized for landing cheap shots - I'm sure it takes a toll.

But, it's not too hard to see the irony in his concern for player's mental health. Trouba goes out of his way to hit his opponents in the head. CTE can lead to depression and suicide, and he's probably as guilty as anyone in the league at contributing to it. Who knows what the players he's elbowed in the head will be going through later in life.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Guy needs to stay in his own lane

 

[Viqsi]

Just like how Trouba plays hockey.

Which is exactly why I see no problem with referring to both instances as asshole behavior.

 

[Viqsi]

Yup. Because he’s not owed my approval. What are you having a hard time with here?

Absence of approval and extreme uncharitable disapproval, in most normal people, are not the same thing.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Trouba forced his way to the biggest city in the States, signed for $8 million, started trying to injure players with dangerous elbows, and is surprised at criticism being levied against him.

I'm sure it sucks, but he has had opportunity after opportunity to avoid this exact situation and has chosen to go into it elbow-first.

 

[JKG33]

I don't think people realize how much of a f***ing dickhead Pasha is. The guy is a blatant Devils homer that tries to pretend he's not. The only difference between him and your average basement dweller is he's lucky enough to ride the coattails of the biggest podcast in hockey

 

[Jared Dunn]

Not outright saying it is a common way of trying to drop hints about this stuff. It's dangerous to presume one way or the other, and requires investigation rather than jumping to conclusions. I'm objecting because folks here are jumping to the worst possible conclusions.

Absolutely correct, but this to me just does not read that way. I am sure he's emotional and absolutely going through it, but being suicidal is a different animal

 

[K Fleur]

The "because I might kill myself" by itself is a massive red flag. That's why it would need to be looked into. Obviously his headhunting behavior can't continue - and frankly I think he ought to be pulled from the league before he cripples somebody - but someone who's so far into the weeds as to be making threats like that is already potentially in serious danger.

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Of course it is. Get the help you need, but also until the on ice behavior changes, no empathy from me Trouba; go f*** yourself

I don’t know Viq I think you’re extending a level of empathy to a person that doesn’t deserve it. Which is an admirable quality btw, not knocking you for it.

 

[Turin]

Absence of approval and extreme uncharitable disapproval, in most normal people, are not the same thing.

“Extreme uncharitable disapproval”

Lmao the tone policing is off the charts. This is toxic, pathological empathy.

 

[Viqsi]

Of course it is. Get the help you need, but also until the on ice behavior changes, no empathy from me; go f*** yourself

I don’t know Viq I think you’re extending a level of empathy to a person that doesn’t deserve it. Which is an admirable quality btw, not knocking you for it.

I think of it as basic safety. One of the four basic rules of firearms safety is that you always treat a gun as though it's loaded, because the consequences of mistaken assumptions are potentially lethal. I think a similarly conservative no-rush-to-assumption approach applies here w/r/t suicide warning red flags. Even though I can't stand the guy's behavior on-ice and think he absolutely has to be stopped. Hell, especially because of that - if he does have those issues and those are the cause of his lashing out, then maybe we can solve two problems at once. But that's me being optimistic and hopeful.

 

[Turin]

You know what the worst part of Trouba elbowing people in the head is?

The CTE?

Think of all the criticism he might get.

 

[Viqsi]

“Extreme uncharitable disapproval”

Lmao the tone policing is off the charts. This is toxic, pathological empathy.

Have you ever actually been there?

I have. I've had to talk people off the ledge before. I've had to talk myself off the ledge before. It's less about empathy and more about realizing just how serious this shit can get. I'm not here because Moral Outrage, I'm here because I see kids playing with matches and gasoline and thinking nothing of it.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I think of it as basic safety. One of the four basic rules of firearms safety is that you always treat a gun as though it's loaded, because the consequences of mistaken assumptions are potentially lethal. I think a similarly conservative no-rush-to-assumption approach applies here w/r/t suicide warning red flags. Even though I can't stand the guy's behavior on-ice and think he absolutely has to be stopped. Hell, especially because of that - if he does have those issues and those are the cause of his lashing out, then maybe we can solve two problems at once. But that's me being optimistic and hopeful.

I'd also argue that kind of empathy can easily be weaponized by the worst kind of people. Trouba is a violent, dirty player who in these playoffs alone attempted to straight up concuss several people.

Just seems like the hockey equivalent of an abusive partner saying they're going to kill themselves when you criticize them.

 

[Lshap]

Good: Trouba advocating for mental health.

Bad: Trouba making mental health all about him, by framing himself as The Victim and everyone else at fault*.



*If Trouba suffers from mental health issues, this is a poor way to show it. Get help. Blaming fans is not a step towards healing. If he doesn't suffer from these issues, then his post is self-absorbed and wildly insensitive to real victims.

 

[Viqsi]

I'd also argue that kind of empathy can easily be weaponized by the worst kind of people. Trouba is a violent, dirty player who in these playoffs alone attempted to straight up concuss several people.

Just seems like the hockey equivalent of an abusive partner saying they're going to kill themselves when you criticize them.

Potentially, yes. Which is why I'm saying it needs to be investigated as though it is potentially that serious. If - if - he doesn't actually give a f*** and is genuinely just trying to deflect, then yes, that's exactly as reprehensible as people are saying. But if that's not the case, it is extremely dangerous to assume it upfront. That's my point.

 

[newsportsfan123]

I don’t see PLD or Kotkaniemi complaining on twitter with the amount of hate they receive. They receive the most hate out of anyone and here Trouba is retweeting this message.

 

[CanadienShark]

Criticism of him is well deserved and warranted. Of course it's a very complex issue and if he's suffering, I hope he gets all the help he needs. It should be noted that his blatant disregard regard for safety/health of other players is the source of a lot of this criticism he's facing. I suppose it's a chicken and egg type scenario. Again, I don't want to downplay any issues he might be having, but I cannot stand the guy.

 

[Viqsi]

Criticism of him is well deserved and warranted. Of course it's a very complex issue and if he's suffering, I hope he gets all the help he needs. It should be noted that his blatant disregard regard for safety/health of other players is the source of a lot of this criticism he's facing. I suppose it's a chicken and egg type scenario. Again, I don't want to downplay any issues he might be having, but I cannot stand the guy.

That's fair, IMO. For the record, I'm not trying to say that everybody here should instead be leaping up to volunteer to help him. I wouldn't have the strength or patience with his history to do it myself. I'm just saying (in general, not to you specifically) that there's a metaphorical gun pointed at someone right now, and that pulling the trigger because you assume it's obviously unloaded is not just reckless, but potentially lethally dangerous. So don't pull the trigger.

 

[Turin]

Have you ever actually been there?

I have. I've had to talk people off the ledge before. I've had to talk myself off the ledge before. It's less about empathy and more about realizing just how serious this shit can get. I'm not here because Moral Outrage, I'm here because I see kids playing with matches and gasoline and thinking nothing of it.

Yea and I’ve also worked with narcissists and sociopaths in the child care system who do this. Your invalidation of criticism just feeds that. Narcissist live for undue sympathy.