Trouba proves he’s the biggest joke in the league

[miscs75]

Dude gets away with trying to injure opponent players every other night, and he just got a Messier award for leadership on top of that. How much more support does he need?

That was solely awarded for the parallel between the captaincy and elbows between both players. What’s more comical is that Messier is the person they named the award after.

 

[Nocashstyle]

I’m not sure he’s the out of touch one. Athletes are still human, he’s right the constant criticism can lead to depression and can get worse from there.

The dude has thrown more blatant elbows to heads than one can even count. It's not like he had one or two isolated events where he crossed the line. He’s well known for this.

 

[Turin]

That shit contributes, and it may be the one thing he actually notices that prompts what amounts to a request for help or an acknowledgement that there's a problem. That's something that can lead to actually solving the problem and should be leveraged to do so, not mocked and snarled at.

I'm not saying "how dare Chiclets criticize him", I'm saying that concluding that this makes him, as you put it, "the biggest joke in the league" is massively f***ing unfair.

It’s not unfair. Not only is he the dirtiest POS in the league, but now he’s using suicide stats as a shield when he’s fairly criticized. Either get help and stop trying to hurt players or GTFO and retire to something you can handle. Could you imagine if Cooke pulled this shit in 2012?

 

[K Fleur]

The league just gave him a "leadership" award dictated by a cheap shot artist (Mark Messier) who went out of his way to try and injure opposing star players with head injuries.

Trouba's confusion is emblematic of a league that is sending mixed messages.

That’s true. The NHL’s unwillingness to decide if it loves violence and everything it brings or just likes it sometimes, from certain players, and not everybody is a large reason why it stays a niche league in the US.

 

[Viqsi]

It’s not unfair. Not only is he the dirtiest POS in the league, but now he’s using suicide stats as a shield

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I'm saying y'all are assuming he's lying. Some of y'all are seeing that and thinking that since he's already an evil bastard to be hated that this is clearly more evil bastardry. Some of the rest of us see that and see a big honking red flag that something more serious is going on.

 

[Ezekial]

There’s nothing I hate more than people who defend their garbage tendencies by claiming “mental health”. It’s an insult to people who actually are struggling every single day.

Exactly, it's almost offensive of him to use Grayson Murray's known mental health issues here. He was very open about his mental health struggles and it wasn't criticisms by people on podcasts that led him to tragically take his life.
Trouba using him and his struggles in an attempt to use him as a shield from criticisms.

 

[Turin]

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I'm saying y'all are assuming he's lying.

Lying about what? He never said he struggled with anything. He just said “hey this dude took his life the other day so don’t criticize me, be better.”

 

[Jared Dunn]

That shit contributes, and it may be the one thing he actually notices that prompts what amounts to a request for help or an acknowledgement that there's a problem. That's something that can lead to actually solving the problem and should be leveraged to do so, not mocked and snarled at.

I'm not saying "how dare Chiclets criticize him", I'm saying that concluding that this makes him, as you put it, "the biggest joke in the league" is massively f***ing unfair.

I don't want to assume or generalize with something as inexplicable as suicide is but the tweet just does not strike me as behaviour of someone that is suicidal. The criticism and pressure certainly don't help but I really think he is undermining what people actually go through. He also heavily implies that Murray killed himself over media criticism which there is just zero basis for, he was an alcoholic who had longtime mental health struggles

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Suicide stats as a shield is crazy hahahaha pretty soft by Trouba

Pro athletes aren't safe from criticism , you knew this when you signed the contract man I don't get these pro athletes crying about fans chirping them , imagine if it was the NBA or Football or the NFL lmao. Hockey players some of the softest when it comes to taking criticism from the media.


That said the guy talking shit on trouba and filming himself , who is this guy? Talking about trouba's wife too , its weird considering the guy looks like he's 160 pounds wet lol . These guys on twitter filming themselves on podcasts that get 500 views are so lame. Hockey media podcasts as a whole are freaking embarassing

 

[Sabre the Win]

There is a link between CTE and athlete suicide, and there is a link between elbows to the head and CTE.

Get help if you need it Trouba, but also f*** you.

I feel like Trouba has given out more CTE's than he has received by a fair amount.

 

[Viqsi]

Lying about what? He never said he struggled with anything. He just said “hey this dude took his only life the other day don’t criticize me, be better.”

People who are having issues with mental health - especially when they're trying to be "tough guys" - massively suck at actually saying so. This is not a new phenomenon. That is something to be investigated, not something to just jump to uncharitable conclusions about.

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I don't want to assume or generalize with something as inexplicable as suicide is but the tweet just does not strike me as behaviour of someone that is suicidal. The criticism and pressure certainly don't help but I really think he is undermining what people actually go through. He also heavily implies that Murray killed himself over media criticism which there is just zero basis for, he was an alcoholic who had longtime mental health struggles

It's not impossible that that's what's going on, but to assume it upfront - which a lot of folks here are doing - is extremely dangerous.

 

[SomeDude]

Perhaps he’d be more comfortable in a city more out of the spotlight like Winnipeg.

 

[K Fleur]

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I'm saying y'all are assuming he's lying. Some of y'all are seeing that and thinking that since he's already an evil bastard to be hated that this is clearly more evil bastardry. Some of the rest of us see that and see a big honking red flag that something more serious is going on.

I think it’s less that people don’t believe him(I believe him, no reason not too) it’s more that you don’t get to be an asshole, never own up to it, and then expect empathy.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

If he didn't elbow people in the head so frequently his messages about other people's health wouldn't ring so hollow.

I like trouba more than most but the other day I organized a pity party for him and nobody showed up!!!!

 

[WTFMAN99]

That shit contributes, and it may be the one thing he actually notices that prompts what amounts to a request for help or an acknowledgement that there's a problem. That's something that can lead to actually solving the problem and should be leveraged to do so, not mocked and snarled at.

I'm not saying "how dare Chiclets criticize him", I'm saying that concluding that this makes him, as you put it, "the biggest joke in the league" is massively f***ing unfair.

There are a lot of keyboard warriors in this thread that wouldn't have the balls to say what they've said in this thread to his face.

It's completely unfair the amount of stuff that people are throwing on him.

 

[WarriorofTime]

A few things to be said:

1) Trouba is not above being criticized for his play, and his tendency to commit plays of questionable legality from a player safety standpoint.
2) While the line can get blurry, he can still be an advocate for mental and neurological health off the ice even with a history of questionable on-ice play. The idea that only people who have no history of any conduct in an inherently physical sport where things are not only allowed, but encouraged, is a fallacy to me.
3) Criticism of performance is OK, but critics should remember that these are real people involved and should be mindful of criticism that crosses a line or becomes deeply personal, such as implying that work they do for mental and neurological health is some kind of sham.
4) Constant media criticism that crosses a line, combined with the pressures of being a pro athlete can and does lead to depression in certain instances. Having money does not absolve you of these things.

 

[Viqsi]

I think it’s less that people don’t believe him(I believe him, no reason not too) it’s more that you don’t get to be an asshole, never own up to it, and then expect empathy.

So if somebody f***s up they don't get a chance to do better and cease being a f***up?

I'm not here for the empathy. I'm just appalled at the uncharitable presumption.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

There are a lot of keyboard warriors in this thread that wouldn't have the balls to say what they've said in this thread to his face.

It's completely unfair the amount of stuff that people are throwing on him.

Why, because he's an unpredictable asshole who would turn to violence at the drop of a hat? That's the point.

 

[Turin]

People who are having issues with mental health - especially when they're trying to be "tough guys" - massively suck at actually saying so. This is not a new phenomenon. That is something to be investigated, not something to just jump to uncharitable conclusions about.

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It's not impossible that that's what's going on, but to assume it upfront - which a lot of folks here are doing - is extremely dangerous.

I don’t owe him anything. He’s trying to police the discourse around his play when he was godawful and threw 4 elbows to the head again. He hasn’t checked into any program. He hasn’t said anything about his own problems. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt to use somebody else’s suicide to deflect.

 

[Zbynek]

Okay so to be fair. The neuroscience thing about his wife was unnecessary. Hard to argue against charity. Though I get the point he's making about the Messier leadership award, he should have stuck to on the ice stuff.

Everything else said about his play though was totally valid criticism. Deflection to suicide awareness is bizarre behavior by Trouba and even worse when you consider what a chickenwinging piece of shit he is on the ice. You're one of the dirtiest players in the league and you should be ready for league wide criticism - especially if it's coming from hockey media. Barring the wife's charity comment the guy's just doing his job.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

If he didn't elbow people in the head so frequently his messages about other people's health wouldn't ring so hollow.

He just wanted to make sure they got body checked.

 

[K Fleur]

So if somebody f***s up they don't get a chance to do better and cease being a f***up?

I'm not here for the empathy. I'm just appalled at the uncharitable presumption.

Of course they do. But when has Trouba done that?

This twitter post reads like “I’m gonna do what I want and you guys shouldn’t criticize me because I might kill myself”. That’s not “hey I f***ed up and I want to try to be better”.

 

[Jared Dunn]

It's not impossible that that's what's going on, but to assume it upfront - which a lot of folks here are doing - is extremely dangerous.

Lying about what though? It seems to me like he's pretty calculated by not saying outright that it's the way he feels, he's just heavily implying with no real evidence that media criticism causes athletes to kill themself in a time when he's facing heavy, and deserved, criticism. "You never know, so never criticize people" I think that's bs frankly, it's part of the job

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Okay so to be fair. The neuroscience thing about his wife was unnecessary. Hard to argue against charity. Though I get the point he's making about the Messier leadership award, he should have stuck to on the ice stuff.

Everything else said about his play though was totally valid criticism. Deflection to suicide awareness is bizarre behavior by Trouba and even worse when you consider what a chickenwinging piece of shit he is on the ice. You're one of the dirtiest players in the league and you should be ready for league wide criticism - especially if it's coming from hockey media. Barring the wife's charity comment the guy's just doing his job.

Yeah no need to bring his wife into it but that clearly wasn't the main point of what the guy was saying.

Trouba advocating for mental health while recklessly throwing elbows is like Lockheed Martin advocating for environmental protection in the middle east.

 

[Viqsi]

I don’t owe him anything.

And if you gave nothing, then that would be an acceptable or understandable position. But you have instead chosen to go out of your way to go after the guy.