Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

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Riptide

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I agree that Scheifele is great, but everything else you claim is just being way too optimistic. Hellebucyk has played what, all of 30 NHL games and Trouba isn't going to turn into a Hedman or Doughty. That's just wishful thinking.

Building a cup contender in today's NHL is a lot harder than you seem to realize. The biggest game changer the Jets have is Laine, a winger. You may be happy with the way Chevy is building your team, but almost every other team out there has a better centerpiece to build around than Laine.

I see you keep ignoring Byfuglien and Wheeler. Scheifele is a great option for their #1C.

Fortunately for Winnipeg it's not just about 1 player, but depth. Depth is what allowed Pittsburgh to steamroll teams last spring, and it's going to be depth that allows Winnipeg to be successful. Their young guys are not very far away, and their core (other than Trouba) all has term left. This is an exciting team to watch.
 

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He liked the Spooner out and Lauzon in.

Now he's saying McAvoy. I think you'd agree that the Bruins brass loves McAvoy and if they were offering him in a deal, there wouldn't be a 1st and Lauzon/Zboril added to him. That said, I don't even know if they'd move McAvoy straight up for Trouba. I personally would, but I know the team is thrilled with that kid.
 

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Wrong again. There's been at least a couple of trades proposed here that I've said were fine.

Miller + Skjei + 1st
McAvoy + Lauzon + 1st

Don't offer the main piece that we need back, but sum of the pieces is close enough.

I think he was referring to Randal61 or whatever his name is.
 

kittiecarlyle

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I agree that Scheifele is great, but everything else you claim is just being way too optimistic. Hellebucyk has played what, all of 30 NHL games and Trouba isn't going to turn into a Hedman or Doughty. That's just wishful thinking.

Building a cup contender in today's NHL is a lot harder than you seem to realize. The biggest game changer the Jets have is Laine, a winger. You may be happy with the way Chevy is building your team, but almost every other team out there has a better centerpiece to build around than Laine.

Almost? I disagree with that statement, also while the Jets may not have a McDavid or Doughty to build around they do have very good and strong depth to build with.

Sure they could use another piece ( as most teams do ) and it is essential they have a G become a true #1 but they legitimately can see sustained playoff success ahead.

A content Trouba would make the Jets really close to a legitimate factor, and one for quite a while ( G stepping up ) . Getting the right return for Trouba is a key, no wonder that Cheveldayoff is adamant about that. Winnipeg has some really nice pieces in the AHL that will be positive contributors too, Roslovic and Lemieux are bonafide imo.

No reason to sell short on a young D that has played well and has his best years ahead of him. A signed Trouba enhances Winnipeg's position trade wise, there's virtually no chance Cheveldayoff panics or feels the need to succumb to pressure.
 

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Catching up on the thread since I last left work on Thursday - what a headache. Some I told you so's from both sides (ya well my dad can beat up your dad type arguments). It's obvious to an extend that there has not been an offer that Chevy is willing to bite on. I'm sure there have been some just OK offers, probably something along the value that Stevie Y was offered last year for Drouin - just an ok offer but nothing worth while. going off what Bob McKenzie and Dreger have been saying from the beginning to now - Jet's looking for a young top LHD to now Jet's probably not going to trade Trouba - really paints somewhat of a blurry picture as to how Chevy is going about this. Fans of other teams can complain and argue all they want and try to convince Jets fans how poor and unreasonable they think the situation is being handled, but really at the end of the day it's going to have no outcome on anything whatsoever. I can agree to an extent to a lot of the opinions that have been shared from fans on both sides however at the end of the day, I really cannot see Trouba wasting a year of development and throwing away 5.5 million dollars(hypothetically) and will be signed before the deadline and I am of the opinion that Chevy is currently calling his bluff. Now that being said come the 11th hour Chevy could decided to take the best offer out there regardless of WPG's needs if the value is appropriate. BUT if the offers are 85 cents on the dollar or lower, I'd rather him sit out the year and revisit come the off season before the draft(s) where his value could hypothetically increase due to the flexibility of not worrying about being cap compliant. There could be teams that wanted Trouba, but couldn't afford to fit him in, but are now able to because of an expiring contract and a higher salary player being picked in the expansion draft. As impatient as I am and want to see this settled NOW, I'm ok with it being drawn out further into the off season if need be and the compensation is sub-par.
 

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Was there any news after the jets game in Detroit? Did Chevy and Overhardt meet?
 

kittiecarlyle

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Was there any news after the jets game in Detroit? Did Chevy and Overhardt meet?

No news or updates.

The longer this goes on to December 1 the more the Jets are in the power position imo. Trouba likely won't be a Jet ala Scheifele long term but I suspect he is for the near term.

Much like Ryan Johansen, he returned a very equitable player. I would wager the Jets get what they want and that it will good value from their perspective.
 

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Now he's saying McAvoy. I think you'd agree that the Bruins brass loves McAvoy and if they were offering him in a deal, there wouldn't be a 1st and Lauzon/Zboril added to him. That said, I don't even know if they'd move McAvoy straight up for Trouba. I personally would, but I know the team is thrilled with that kid.

Bruins covet many pieces including Carlo & McAvoy. You're getting a top line RHD -- tried, tested & proven. We're taking all the chances that one of these guys might become a player similar to Trouba.

I think one of those needs to be in the deal frankly; if not, we'll take the best deal that comes at the last hour. Or better yet, we'll get Trouba back for however long we can keep him happy.
 

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No news or updates.

The longer this goes on to December 1 the more the Jets are in the power position imo. Trouba likely won't be a Jet ala Scheifele long term but I suspect he is for the near term.

Much like Ryan Johansen, he returned a very equitable player. I would wager the Jets get what they want and that it will good value from their perspective.

That's a good wager. They have zero reason to move him for spare parts. Eventually, someone will pay the price.
 

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You can wait as long as you want buto you'll never end up with a deal that good. Get real.

Yep we'll wait. I'll bet Chevy is sitting on deals of close to that value right now, but there's no hurry. The right deal will come along in the next few weeks or Trouba will have to sign.

Failing that, it will be a long wait until the draft before Trouba surfaces again -- minus a heck of a lot of dough in his pocket. Would we like to get something done before that -- of course. But Chevy's patience must of rubbed off on the rest of the Jets fans, because there's few that see a rush to get something/anything for him.
 

jetsfaneh

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Need to reference the Kane trade again. And even getting a 1st round pick and Dano for a Ladd rental at the trade deadline. It only takes one trading partner. One overpay as teams begin to truly covet a player as the talks and interest grows and deadlines near.

People saying Jets fans will be disappointed is pretty ridiculous. Sure, you as a fan wouldn't make such and such a trade. Yet they happen. Saying guys like Carlo and Skjei are non-starters in a trade is also funny. That doesn't even get you a stairwell meeting with Chevy.

If you get Trouba you are giving up a defenseman. One you don't want to lose. But you are gaining a great young talent in Troubs.
 

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Holy moly the Jets fans are going to be sad with the return
 

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Frankly, I doubt it. All you guys that figure we're going to eventually cave and give him away at 75 cents to the dollar are the ones that will be disappointed (and left holding your 75 cents when you could have had a top line RHD).
Jacob Trouba is not worth a blue chip prospect that has 1st-pairing potential, a 1st round pick that can be in the teens or lower (1-9), and a defensive prospect who looks to be a top 4 defenseman. The Bruins aren't going to do Spooner + Carlo + 1st and to think the Bruins would do McAvoy + Lauzon + 1st is even more hysterical. The Bruins aren't going to "cave" because they are fine defensively as of now and can wait for McAvoy to make the jump next season if he doesn't join the team later in this season. The Jets have every right to want full value for someone like Trouba, but it goes both ways. Teams aren't going to cave and pay a ridiculous price for a player that doesn't want to play on his own team nor sign a contract with them. You can play hardball all you want because your team's management has the right to do so, but on December 2nd when Trouba isn't re-signed or traded, your team's management will be the one that has not added any pieces of value to further help your team this season and beyond. If that's the direction the Jets go in, it's their right to do so.
Need to reference the Kane trade again. And even getting a 1st round pick and Dano for a Ladd rental at the trade deadline. It only takes one trading partner. One overpay as teams begin to truly covet a player as the talks and interest grows and deadlines near.

People saying Jets fans will be disappointed is pretty ridiculous. Sure, you as a fan wouldn't make such and such a trade. Yet they happen. Saying guys like Carlo and Skjei are non-starters in a trade is also funny. That doesn't even get you a stairwell meeting with Chevy.

If you get Trouba you are giving up a defenseman. One you don't want to lose. But you are gaining a great young talent in Troubs.
Then why was the asking price Spooner + Carlo + 1st? The Bruins will be more than content on keeping a 19 year old on an ELC who is playing 21+ minutes a night on their 1st-pairing.
 

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Man, this whole thing makes me think the pendulum has swung too far in the owners' favor. It's absurd that the Jets can basically ruin Trouba's career because he wants to work somewhere else. We would think this a massive violation of somebody's rights if it happened outside of hockey. It's one thing if the Jets are waiting for the right trade, but if they're doing this to get back at Trouba, that's unacceptable. The problem is the latter looks exactly like the former from the outside.

There should be some kind of very expensive compensatory mechanism for a player to leave a team he doesn't want to play for. Or the player should be able to petition the league, and the league should monitor the situation and make sure the team is making a good-faith effort to find a trade.
 

CaptainChef

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Holy moly the Jets fans are going to be sad with the return

Not at all. Go back to the TD last year, what did the jets get for a 31 yr old top line forward that was a UFA -- an A prospect (Dano) & a 1st. Thats for a 31 yr old rental whose best years are no doubt behind him.

In Trouba we're talking about a 22-yr old top line RHD. Thats a position that never comes up in trade talks unless there are extenuating cicumstances. There was serious talk this summer that Boston was going to offer sheet him at a salary which would have resulted in the Bruins giving up 4 firsts.

None of the trade offers I've listed are anywhere close to that value. So yes, I think those offers are more than reasonable. I'm almost certain its not us that will be shocked with the return if he is indeed traded.
 

jetsfaneh

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Jacob Trouba is not worth a blue chip prospect that has 1st-pairing potential, a 1st round pick that can be in the teens or lower (1-9), and a defensive prospect who looks to be a top 4 defenseman. The Bruins aren't going to do Spooner + Carlo + 1st and to think the Bruins would do McAvoy + Lauzon + 1st is even more hysterical. The Bruins aren't going to "cave" because they are fine defensively as of now and can wait for McAvoy to make the jump next season if he doesn't join the team later in this season. The Jets have every right to want full value for someone like Trouba, but it goes both ways. Teams aren't going to cave and pay a ridiculous price for a player that doesn't want to play on his own team nor sign a contract with them. You can play hardball all you want because your team's management has the right to do so, but on December 2nd when Trouba isn't re-signed or traded, your team's management will be the one that has not added any pieces of value to further help your team this season and beyond. If that's the direction the Jets go in, it's their right to do so.

Then why was the asking price Spooner + Carlo + 1st? The Bruins will be more than content on keeping a 19 year old on an ELC who is playing 21+ minutes a night on their 1st-pairing.

That ask was speculation thrown out there on Hockey Night in Canada. Nothing the Jets cooked up. So Jets fans think too much will come in return and other team's fans think they can get Trouba for table scraps. The answer is probably somewhere in between.
 
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