Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[Randal61]

Man, this whole thing makes me think the pendulum has swung too far in the owners' favor. It's absurd that the Jets can basically ruin Trouba's career because he wants to work somewhere else. We would think this a massive violation of somebody's rights if it happened outside of hockey. It's one thing if the Jets are waiting for the right trade, but if they're doing this to get back at Trouba, that's unacceptable.

There should be some kind of very expensive compensatory mechanism for a player to leave a team he doesn't want to play for. Or the player should be able to petition the league, and the league should monitor the situation and make sure the team is making a good-faith effort to find a trade.

Trouba's camp has made their own bed.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Trouba's camp has made their own bed.

I suspect you'd sing a different tune if your employer decided they didn't want to let you leave.

 

[SCP Guy]

Miller, Skjei and a 1st?

I give one of those at most. As of now, I'm in no hurry to make an offer.

You have just lost all credibility with that comment.... I can see thinking the return will not be huge (that I could agree with).. But to make a statement like that makes you look plain foolish ... You should be embarrassed imho

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

This is part of what trading with the Jets so difficult. They fail to realize that a cup contender needs at least 2 of the 3 following. A stud center, stud dman, and a stud goalie. The Jets don't have a single piece. If everything goes according to plan the best outcome for the Jets is becoming the next Caps, winning presidents trophies and laying eggs in the playoffs. If things don't go as well they'll be stuck in limbo for a while. Honestly the Jets remind me of the Islanders. Fans of both teams are way too optimistic and fail to realize that their GM's are nowhere near as capable as they believe them to be.

I assume you mean DISCUSSING TRADES WITH FANS.
Nothing else you mentioned has anything to do with the reality of NHL franchises. GM's aren't on HF scouring for what to do next. Fans thoughts, wishes and wants have little affect on the day to day operations of the teams.

 

[Randal61]

I suspect you'd sing a different tune if your employer decided they didn't want to let you leave.

I'd stay for the 5.5
For 4 years and then move on

 

[Pongs21]

I suspect you'd sing a different tune if your employer decided they didn't want to let you leave.

I'd sing any tune my employer wanted if they were willing to pay me 33 MILLION US DOLLARS over 6 years. works out to almost 45 million CAN.

 

[Absurdity]

That ask was speculation thrown out there on Hockey Night in Canada. Nothing the Jets cooked up. So Jets fans think too much will come in return and other team's fans think they can get Trouba for table scraps. The answer is probably somewhere in between.

So Nick Kypreos doesn't have any info on any rumblings?

Not at all. Go back to the TD last year, what did the jets get for a 31 yr old top line forward that was a UFA -- an A prospect (Dano) & a 1st. Thats for a 31 yr old rental whose best years are no doubt behind him.

In Trouba we're talking about a 22-yr old top line RHD. Thats a position that never comes up in trade talks unless there are extenuating cicumstances. There was serious talk this summer that Boston was going to offer sheet him at a salary which would have resulted in the Jets giving up 4 firsts.

None of the trade offers I've listed are anywhere close to that value. So yes, I think those offers are more than reasonable. I'm almost certain its not us that will be shocked with the return if he is indeed traded.

So a rumor perpetuated by Joe Haggerty and Jim Murphy, two hacks that write about the Bruins, your basis on the asking price for Trouba?

 

[jetsfaneh]

So Nick Kypreos doesn't have any info on any rumblings?

So is a rumor perpetuated by Joe Haggerty and Jim Murphy, two hacks that write about the Bruins, your basis on the asking price for Trouba?

Wow. So you throw out one report and dismiss another. That my friend is a true non-starter

 

[Absurdity]

Wow. So you throw out one report and dismiss another. That my friend is a true non-starter

Are you guys are still waiting for the Avalanche to send you Duchene for Trouba: http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/can-don-sweeney-boston-bruins-do-what-needs-to-be-done-offseason

It's ok. I'm also waiting for the Bruins to trade Marchand for Marleau, trade Chara, and trade Bergeron for Pronger.

 

[jetsfaneh]

Are you guys are still waiting for the Avalanche to send you Duchene for Trouba: http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/can-don-sweeney-boston-bruins-do-what-needs-to-be-done-offseason

It's ok. I'm also waiting for the Bruins to trade Marchand for Marleau, trade Chara, and trade Bergeron for Pronger.

You didn't get the memo?? No forwards please. Just someone who skates backwards.

 

[Hunter368]

Anything related to Trouba starts with Sergachev.

Anything related to Ehlers simply doesn't start.

Very true

So true on both. I don't think I've ever seen a realistic Habs proposal and this one is as unrealistic as most.

Indeed

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Man, this whole thing makes me think the pendulum has swung too far in the owners' favor. It's absurd that the Jets can basically ruin Trouba's career because he wants to work somewhere else. We would think this a massive violation of somebody's rights if it happened outside of hockey. It's one thing if the Jets are waiting for the right trade, but if they're doing this to get back at Trouba, that's unacceptable. The problem is the latter looks exactly like the former from the outside.

There should be some kind of very expensive compensatory mechanism for a player to leave a team he doesn't want to play for. Or the player should be able to petition the league, and the league should monitor the situation and make sure the team is making a good-faith effort to find a trade.

What?

He's not flipping burgers. He's getting paid millions of dollars to play hockey. He can choose to go where ever he wants and do anything he wants... except play in the NHL until he signs with us or we trade his rights. Why should a franchise lose a core piece of the future of their team and have their ability to trade for equal value diminished.

The NHL and PA can review this in the next CBA but given the trending towards younger players I can see the NHL holding their ground to protect their franchises.

What is the % of players not playing in the same city as their parents? How many are living away from their wives or girlfriends? It's pretty high. Trouba is not in some unique situation.

 

[135ace]

I see you keep ignoring Byfuglien and Wheeler. Scheifele is a great option for their #1C.

Fortunately for Winnipeg it's not just about 1 player, but depth. Depth is what allowed Pittsburgh to steamroll teams last spring, and it's going to be depth that allows Winnipeg to be successful. Their young guys are not very far away, and their core (other than Trouba) all has term left. This is an exciting team to watch.

Byfuglien and Wheeler are in their 30's. By the time the Jets window opens both will be declining.
And again, Pittsburgh has Crosby and Malkin. The Jets have nobody that's remotely close. Hell they don't even have a Letang of their own...all they have is the hope that Hellebuyck can be as good as Murray.

I agree that the Jets have a great young core and are exciting to watch, but it's also foolish to think that their current group can win a cup or even become a contender.

 

[Absurdity]

You didn't get the memo?? No forwards please. Just someone who skates backwards.

That's not the point of my post. The point was to show you how basing Trouba's value on a rumor made up by Haggerty and Murphy is absolutely ridiculous, especially if you look at how vetted Kypreos is compared to Haggerty and Murphy based on past reports.

 

[TheBPA]

This is fun. More holdouts next year plz

 

[cobra427]

Catching up on the thread since I last left work on Thursday - what a headache. Some I told you so's from both sides (ya well my dad can beat up your dad type arguments). It's obvious to an extend that there has not been an offer that Chevy is willing to bite on. I'm sure there have been some just OK offers, probably something along the value that Stevie Y was offered last year for Drouin - just an ok offer but nothing worth while. going off what Bob McKenzie and Dreger have been saying from the beginning to now - Jet's looking for a young top LHD to now Jet's probably not going to trade Trouba - really paints somewhat of a blurry picture as to how Chevy is going about this. Fans of other teams can complain and argue all they want and try to convince Jets fans how poor and unreasonable they think the situation is being handled, but really at the end of the day it's going to have no outcome on anything whatsoever. I can agree to an extent to a lot of the opinions that have been shared from fans on both sides however at the end of the day, I really cannot see Trouba wasting a year of development and throwing away 5.5 million dollars(hypothetically) and will be signed before the deadline and I am of the opinion that Chevy is currently calling his bluff. Now that being said come the 11th hour Chevy could decided to take the best offer out there regardless of WPG's needs if the value is appropriate. BUT if the offers are 85 cents on the dollar or lower, I'd rather him sit out the year and revisit come the off season before the draft(s) where his value could hypothetically increase due to the flexibility of not worrying about being cap compliant. There could be teams that wanted Trouba, but couldn't afford to fit him in, but are now able to because of an expiring contract and a higher salary player being picked in the expansion draft. As impatient as I am and want to see this settled NOW, I'm ok with it being drawn out further into the off season if need be and the compensation is sub-par.

There will be more potential buyers next summer. But, if Trouba sits for a year, his value will go down. Trouba is still developing, missing a year hurts his value. The time to trade him is now because another team can negotiate a long term deal with him, and if they have him long term, they can pay more for him now. If Trouba signs a 1 or 2 year deal with the Jets, the Jets will get less value because Trouba is not locked up long term. Forcing him to sign could be a disaster in the locker room or on the ice. His play could suffer and his value can go down. His highest value was in the summer, but next highest value is now.

 

[Randal61]

There will be more potential buyers next summer. But, if Trouba sits for a year, his value will go down. Trouba is still developing, missing a year hurts his value. The time to trade him is now because another team can negotiate a long term deal with him, and if they have him long term, they can pay more for him now. If Trouba signs a 1 or 2 year deal with the Jets, the Jets will get less value because Trouba is not locked up long term. Forcing him to sign could be a disaster in the locker room or on the ice. His play could suffer and his value can go down. His highest value was in the summer, but next highest value is now.

Not buying it

 

[135ace]

There will be more potential buyers next summer. But, if Trouba sits for a year, his value will go down. Trouba is still developing, missing a year hurts his value. The time to trade him is now because another team can negotiate a long term deal with him, and if they have him long term, they can pay more for him now. If Trouba signs a 1 or 2 year deal with the Jets, the Jets will get less value because Trouba is not locked up long term. Forcing him to sign could be a disaster in the locker room or on the ice. His play could suffer and his value can go down. His highest value was in the summer, but next highest value is now.

I don't know if his value will go down too much by summer, but unless Chevy decides he wants picks the return will likely be less just based on the fact that other players are developing and becoming more valuable while Trouba isn't. This is already reflected by proposals from other fans. A month ago you were seeing a lot of Miller+Skjei offers (maybe even + a pick) or Chyrchun+ something significant, or Zacha+. Today you'd be lucky to get any of those offers as all the other players have been playing well while Trouba is sitting at home.

Then again, getting a 1st round pick at the draft will seem more interesting come next summer than trading Trouba for a 1st now. It's pretty obvious that it's better to trade him now, but fans will have an easier time accepting the return come summer.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I suspect you'd sing a different tune if your employer decided they didn't want to let you leave.

He is free to sign an offer sheet, and apparently could have moved on to Toronto.

 

[PaulGG]

What?

He's not flipping burgers. He's getting paid millions of dollars to play hockey. He can choose to go where ever he wants and do anything he wants... except play in the NHL until he signs with us or we trade his rights. Why should a franchise lose a core piece of the future of their team and have their ability to trade for equal value diminished.

The NHL and PA can review this in the next CBA but given the trending towards younger players I can see the NHL holding their ground to protect their franchises.

What is the % of players not playing in the same city as their parents? How many are living away from their wives or girlfriends? It's pretty high. Trouba is not in some unique situation.

Yes this.
The current CBA is intended to make it difficult for players to jump teams until they reach UFA and this is what what was agreed to. Offer sheet compensation exists to insure teams don't get screwed. A player who just refuses to play was not anticipated and I would imagine most teams want to see Trouba rot just so not support a new trend of players pulling this crapola.

 

[Hire Sather]

You have just lost all credibility with that comment.... I can see thinking the return will not be huge (that I could agree with).. But to make a statement like that makes you look plain foolish ... You should be embarrassed imho

Yeah? Why is that? Skjei is showing great signs and is still on an ELC. I'm not sure I want to get rid of him and pay Trouba 5 mill right now. Rangers don't have unlimited cap space.

Miller's value is only going up at this point too. If the Rangers keep playing well and Trouba keeps chillin then the value of Miller/Skjei and Trouba are going in opposite directions.

As I've said, I'm also in no hurry to add someone who is doing what Trouba is doing to a team that's playing well. We have a good group of guys who are playing great and then we have Trouba who is sitting out to get his way. I have limited interest, as I've said all along.

 

[SCP Guy]

Yeah? Why is that? Skjei is showing great signs and is still on an ELC. I'm not sure I want to get rid of him and pay Trouba 5 mill right now. Rangers don't have unlimited cap space.

Miller's value is only going up at this point too. If the Rangers keep playing well and Trouba keeps chillin then the value of Miller/Skjei and Trouba are going in opposite directions.

As I've said, I'm also in no hurry to add someone who is doing what Trouba is doing to a team that's playing well. We have a good group of guys who are playing great and then we have Trouba who is sitting out to get his way. I have limited interest, as I've said all along.

If you rate those assets as more valuable then you should spend more time learning about hockey. I'm pretty sure you would be alone in the hockey world with that assessment... Sorry that may sound harsh but it is that cut and dry.

So on some magic planet if the jets offered you Trouba for a 1st you would say no according to your comments.... You either know very little about hockey or are full of hot air.... I'm gonna guess hot air....

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

He is free to sign an offer sheet, and apparently could have moved on to Toronto.

Not if Winnipeg is going to match.

 

[Hire Sather]

If you rate those assets as more valuable then you should spend more time learning about hockey.

Two guys on good contracts playing very well right now.

Trouba is chillin. His value is not what you think it is. Get him signed or you aren't going to get the deal you want.

Regardless, it's not a move I'm looking to make right now. Whether its fair value or not is actually not something I've even said one way or another so take your "humble opinion" elsewhere.

 

[Flyerfan52]

Man, this whole thing makes me think the pendulum has swung too far in the owners' favor. It's absurd that the Jets can basically ruin Trouba's career because he wants to work somewhere else. We would think this a massive violation of somebody's rights if it happened outside of hockey. It's one thing if the Jets are waiting for the right trade, but if they're doing this to get back at Trouba, that's unacceptable. The problem is the latter looks exactly like the former from the outside.

There should be some kind of very expensive compensatory mechanism for a player to leave a team he doesn't want to play for. Or the player should be able to petition the league, and the league should monitor the situation and make sure the team is making a good-faith effort to find a trade.

2 parties signed that contract. TN is willing to honor it & give Trouba what 1st pairing D are earning this year.
Trouba refuses to honor it & throws excuses instead.

If his career is ruined all he needs to do is look in the mirror to see the 1 responsible.
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What do you see as something Trouba could do in your compensation scenario? How does he replace himself on the blueline?

The team is trying to find a trade but it gets harder when he/his agent rejects overtures from teams that might be making the best offers.