Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[Whileee]

Connor?

Connor was obvious.

Roslovic was not. Casual observers are soon going to see how astute that pick was.

 

[Coach Parker]

He can be involved in negotiations with the acquiring team. I'm saying he'll be forced to make concessions to facilitate a trade, not to sign a deal to play for the Jets.

The only way the well can be unpoisoned with the Jets would be for Trouba to fire his agent, claim he got terrible advice, and say he just wants to play hockey again. That's his easy way to undoing all this. Won't happen though.

1. Tell the Bruins/Redwings/Rangers/Wild that he will sign with them for 2 years at 3.0 million / year.
2. That GM tells Chevy.
3. Chevy now has a solid top pairing defenseman on an amazing deal.
4. Chevy gets TOP value for his player.
5. Team gets Trouba on a great deal at a high cost to match that deal.
6. Trouba gets to go where he wanted to go.

Who loses in this scenario? If RFA's want out to go to a small group of teams they have to leave money on the table. Money that Trouba's agent has repeatedly said wasn't the issue. When it comes down to it Jets fans don't care what he signs for. Hell, they would be happy to have him sign 7 years at league minimum with the new team provided in maximized the return they'd get.

 

[Gnova]

Connor?

Yep, good pick.
If it was so obvious why did he go so low?

 

[Gnova]

1. Tell the Bruins/Redwings/Rangers/Wild that he will sign with them for 2 years at 3.0 million / year.
2. That GM tells Chevy.
3. Chevy now has a solid top pairing defenseman on an amazing deal.
4. Chevy gets TOP value for his player.
5. Team gets Trouba on a great deal at a high cost to match that deal.
6. Trouba gets to go where he wanted to go.

Who loses in this scenario? If RFA's want out to go to a small group of teams they have to leave money on the table. Money that Trouba's agent has repeatedly said wasn't the issue. When it comes down to it Jets fans don't care what he signs for. Hell, they would be happy to have him sign 7 years at league minimum with the new team provided in maximized the return they'd get.

His agent also repeatedly said that it wasn't Winnipeg that was the issue it was where the Jets were playing him.
Why believe an agent that has already been shown to be telling lies?
Trouba may want to go but I don't believe for a minute he is willing to take a bargain contract to do it.

 

[Whileee]

Yep, good pick.
If it was so obvious why did he go so low?

Tallon/Rowe (Lawson Crouse)
Nill (Gurianov)
Sweeney (Zboril, DeBrusk, Senyshyn)

 

[Gump Hasek]

1. Tell the Bruins/Redwings/Rangers/Wild that he will sign with them for 2 years at 3.0 million / year.
2. That GM tells Chevy.
3. Chevy now has a solid top pairing defenseman on an amazing deal.
4. Chevy gets TOP value for his player.
5. Team gets Trouba on a great deal at a high cost to match that deal.
6. Trouba gets to go where he wanted to go.

Who loses in this scenario? If RFA's want out to go to a small group of teams they have to leave money on the table. Money that Trouba's agent has repeatedly said wasn't the issue. When it comes down to it Jets fans don't care what he signs for. Hell, they would be happy to have him sign 7 years at league minimum with the new team provided in maximized the return they'd get.

The problem with your scenario is that it limits the teams that Chevy can deal with and assumes those teams possess what Winnipeg would prefer. They are better off signing him to a 6-year deal and trading him at a time of their own choosing in the future as that gives the GM a wider array of options from which to choose. Trouba doesn't exist on his own within a vacuum. He can for example be theoretically added into a multi-player transaction that delivers him to a team not on your list and for a return and (on a timeline) of the Jets choosing versus one selected by an outsider agent.

 

[wintersej]

Yep, good pick.
If it was so obvious why did he go so low?

Because Boston doesn't believe in small centers (Barzal), and Connor tanked his interview with Boston and they didn't want to go through the whole "force a guy who doesn't want to be here" situation after Hamilton.

 

[Whileee]

His agent also repeatedly said that it wasn't Winnipeg that was the issue it was where the Jets were playing him.
Why believe an agent that has already been shown to be telling lies?
Trouba may want to go but I don't believe for a minute he is willing to take a bargain contract to do it.

He can't have it both ways. He gets a very good contract in Winnipeg or signs a bargain deal to play in a more desired destination. He isn't getting both. I hope his agent has made that clear to him.

 

[Whileee]

Because Boston doesn't believe in small centers (Barzal), and Connor tanked his interview with Boston and they didn't want to go through the whole "force a guy who doesn't want to be here" situation after Hamilton.

You know this, how?

 

[WpgBuffan]

I just had to look up the standings this year because going by this thread you would think Winnipeg hasn't lost a game and the parade route is being planned out.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Right, I was responding to the poster saying the Laine was Chevy's only obvious pick.

Hastily misread the context of your post, sorry.

 

[wintersej]

He can't have it both ways. He gets a very good contract in Winnipeg or signs a bargain deal to play in a more desired destination. He isn't getting both. I hope his agent has made that clear to him.

I'd rather trade for a 6x5.5 that a 2x3 Trouba 100 out of a 100 times. A two year deal is AWFUL as he can just go from arbitration to UFA.

 

[wintersej]

You know this, how?

It was widely rumored by some of the "insiders" and season ticket holders on the Bruins board. I don't have video evidence and I wasn't there .

 

[Gump Hasek]

I'd rather trade for a 6x5.5 that a 2x3 Trouba 100 out of a 100 times. A two year deal is AWFUL as he can just go from arbitration to UFA.

The cost to trade for a Trouba signed to a long-term deal is also higher vs. the cost of an unsigned player with a GM facing a negotiation deadline. If/when Trouba is signed (yes, I said when), Chevy is more-than-likely to become more-demanding in the return. That will weed out some pretenders that think he is about to be traded on the cheap. That is why signing him long-term is a must here, as it preserves/enhances the value of the asset.

 

[PaulGG]

Will get interesting coming up to 12/1 to see who blinks first.

 

[wintersej]

The cost to trade for a Trouba signed to a long-term deal is also higher vs. the cost of an unsigned player with a GM facing a negotiation deadline. If/when Trouba is signed (yes, I said when), Chevy is more-than-likely to become more-demanding in the return. That will weed out some pretenders that think he is about to be traded on the cheap. That is why signing him long-term is a must here, as it preserves/enhances the value of the asset.

I think Chevy can 1000% force Trouba into signing by 12/1.

I also think there is a real downside risk to doing so (Turris type situation). Even if Trouba doesn't try to tank it, I'm sure we have all had a co-worker who hated their job and dragged the morale of the whole team down. His GF won't be able to apply for med school until it is figured out where he is going to be playing. She really has to go to Med school in the same city that Trouba plays in or they might as well just break up with the time demands that Med school puts on a person. That situation has a chance to get REAL ugly.

I think there is more risk for Chevy if he doesn't move Trouba before 12/1.

edit: And do the "pretenders" matter? Maybe on hfboards to create fewer posts, but I think its obvious what teams make sense and what teams don't.

 

[Hire Sather]

You are welcome to believe whatever you wish. By the way, what I said at that time was that, at that time, there were no reports he was available in trade - because there weren't any.

It is unfortunate that many fans of other teams wish to misconstrue the asking price as the exact desired return. The asking price represents the value of what they would theoretically be losing. The return however is perhaps more likely to be obscured by a multi-player transaction. Trouba doesn't exist solely within a vacuum. They don't need to trade him one-for-one; they simply need to be compensated fully by the return value. Chevy is a really crafty guy. My bet is that he makes a big deal at some date with a team from out of left field that is cap-hooped, adds something else into the mix, and that he robs them blind.

You are so delusional man.

*Close eyes and pretend everything is great*

 

[Gnova]

I just had to look up the standings this year because going by this thread you would think Winnipeg hasn't lost a game and the parade route is being planned out.

Just the opposite.
Jets fans are all willing to wait it out because we know the team isn't a contender this year. If they were then jets fans would be screaming to have this sorted out.

 

[Gump Hasek]

You are so delusional man.

*Close eyes and pretend everything is great*

It isn't delusional to state the GM isn't at all likely to make a deal here right now under these conditions - from a position of weakness. It probably is delusional of NYR fans to assume they'd be able to trade for him under such a scenario though. Hope that helps.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Trouba will have to accept a sweetheart deal so that Chevy and the Jets can be made whole in trade, or at least get value back that is equivalent to what was already offered but got nixed by the Trouba camp.

Trouba needs to eat that cost, not the Jets. We don't know what offer got nixed, but he might need to consider something like $4.5m x 6yr to make this happen for himself.

Or maybe he's like some posters here and he thinks the Jets and their fans should bear that cost to do him a favour.

Can't speak for other posters, only myself. But I think both sides should do what they think is in their own self interests.

The mistake "some" Jets fans make is in defining what Trouba's self-interests are for him. He may have a different take on what's best for him than you do.

 

[Hire Sather]

It isn't delusional to think the GM won't make a deal here from a position of weakness. It probably is delusional of NYR fans to assume they'd be able to trade for him under such a scenario though. Hope that helps.

It's delusional to expect your GM to rip someone off when he has shown nothing but fear in regards to ever making a trade. Not related to the Trouba stuff at all, he is a timid, scared GM who has made only a handful of moves in his years running the club.

Its delusional to be so confident in the way your club is being run. The Jets have won nothing and while its understandable for you to trust the process, your confidence is way too high in your overall demeanor about your team.

(Insert condescending "hope this helps" type of line here)

Anyway, I don't think he will deal Trouba in this position of weakness though, I agree. He will wait out Trouba as he should. Dare him to sit out the year. Hurts Trouba more than the Jets. We agree on that part.

 

[Riptide]

It has nothing to do with what I believe. Without a contract, Blake wouldn't of received any Amateur or Professional development (NCAA ineligibility rules).

Are you suggesting they sent trainers to his College.

Are you suggesting that in the 4 years from when Nashville drafted him that they spent zero time talking to him or scouting him in any way that would have aided his development? I think that's incredibly naive.

 

[Gump Hasek]

It's delusional to expect your GM to rip someone off when he has shown nothing but fear in regards to ever making a trade. Not related to the Trouba stuff at all, he is a timid, scared GM who has made only a handful of moves in his years running the club.

LOL. Here is a hint for you. The GM of a team with an organizational plan to be a draft and develop franchise and to replace most expiring contracts in-house isn't going to be an active trader under most circumstances, FYI.

Scared? No. Following a plan, yes. Delusional to assume otherwise? Yes.

 

[Riptide]

I think Trouba will sign a 6 year deal @ $5.5 million per in the next 2-3 weeks, Supposedly Dreger said that Chevy would give him that much. In which Cheveldayoff will agree to eventually trade Trouba down the road possibly to an American team for a decent haul.

First off Trouba is no longer on his ELC, That just ran out and he's in his first year of his RFA years. So saying that a player like Trouba who's not on his ELC years doesn't apply to Trouba.

ELC player don't demand trades in the NHL, I guess you forgot about Jonathon Drouin then.

I doubt it. Given how long it took Winnipeg to trade Kane, there's almost no chance Trouba signs a long term deal if he wants out. That's basically him agreeing to be stuck there for years.

 

[wintersej]

So... back to actual trade offers.

Zboril + Spooner + 1st?