Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[Say What]

You're clueless if you believe that. They didn't pay him, but that doesn't mean for a second that Wheeler (Vesey and others) didn't benefit from trainers (training camps) and other specialists from their teams while still in college.

It has nothing to do with what I believe. Without a contract, Blake wouldn't of received any Amateur or Professional development (NCAA ineligibility rules).

Are you suggesting they sent trainers to his College.

 

[Montecristo]

How much is he hurting his own team? None of the good players on offer in these threads are of any immediate need for the Jets.



Nobody is acknowledging how much this is about Trouba filling a massive position of need for the Jets. He's the only top pairing D man on the team whose prime will be concurrent with those of Schiefele, Laine, Ehlers, Hellebuyck, and Connor. This future core has been very carefully designed. If Trouba wants out he needs to garner a replacement, and none of what I've seen offered counts as that.



And how many of those valuable assets are better than what the Jets already have? I see a whole bunch of older, worse defencemen and wingers that I wouldn't want blocking Ehlers, Connor, et al even if they're better right now.

Find me a comparably young, comparably high end D who isn't a disgruntled liar with all of the charm of a potato and I'll gladly make the swap.



So sweet of you to be so concerned about the Jets. I can make you an avatar if you like.



This is true. But I don't see why rights teams don't have under the current CBA should make teams happy to forfeit rights they do have under the CBA. Trouba could have waited four years; he didn't. Instead he became incredibly important to the Jets' present and future.

Watch what happens with Tucker Poolman next year. Another American RHD who will be eligible for UFA come 8/15. The Jets will try to sign him after his season, just as they tried to after his last two.

I know everyone's really concerned about the Jets' ability to sign drafted talent. Really excited to see if Poolman will run scared given the meanie Jets' recent track-record.

Torey krug is a comparatively young comparatively top end dman. He's way better offensively roughly .5 PPG, can handle 18-21 minutes a night, top PP puck mover. Trouba is better defensively, but krug is a proven leader, a couple years older and locked up for cheaper than trouba will cost.

 

[Gump Hasek]

This is he biggest impediment to a fair hockey trade. There is almost no chance of Chevy finding a team willing to give up an excellent young dman signed long term for an player they are not sure how he will fit in on and off the ice. He has been trying to find a match since before the draft. If he takes back a bad contract I think he could acquire a similar but younger talent. Why wait until the draft and then get someone that will take years to develop. Let Trouba go and move on without the drama. He for whatever reason is willing to sit rather than play there. He has and will make plenty of cash in his career, the money argument for him giving in doesn't seem enough.

Let Trouba go and move on without the drama.

As an RFA player just exiting entry-level status, Trouba doesn't have the right to simply pick and choose where he gets to play in the NHL while his NHL rights are held by the Winnipeg Jets for four additional seasons.

If the Jets ever trade him, it will most likely only be after he signs a long-term contract with them and then plays at a level that allows the GM to choose from a wide-array of suitors and is as such able to secure an elite young player in the return. This isn't about making Trouba happy; it is about making the Winnipeg Jets whole. The sooner that some upset NYR fans figure this out, the faster they will get over their Trouba pipe-dreams.

 

[gwh]

Trouba is still not going anywhere and Overhardt is getting burned in this one. ELC players don't demand trades in the NHL.

 

[Dr Quincy]

As an RFA player just exiting entry-level status, Trouba doesn't have the right to simply pick and choose where he gets to play in the NHL while his NHL rights are held by the Winnipeg Jets for four additional seasons.

If the Jets ever trade him, it will most likely only be after he signs a long-term contract with them and then plays at a level that allows the GM to choose from a wide-array of suitors and is as such able to secure an elite young player in the return. This isn't about making Trouba happy; it is about making the Winnipeg Jets whole. The sooner that some upset NYR fans figure this out, the faster they will get over their Trouba pipe-dreams.

The Jets aren't going to be made whole. The pipe dream is held by jets fans who think that they are going to get a young elite player back for Trouba. They may get a player with that kind of potential but who has some risks, they may get a prospect who COULD turn into that, they may get some picks that they might get lucky with.

They aren't getting 1 equal player back, and at some point either you or me will be proven right.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba is still not going anywhere and Overhardt is getting burned in this one. ELC players don't demand trades in the NHL.

I think Trouba will sign a 6 year deal @ $5.5 million per in the next 2-3 weeks, Supposedly Dreger said that Chevy would give him that much. In which Cheveldayoff will agree to eventually trade Trouba down the road possibly to an American team for a decent haul.

First off Trouba is no longer on his ELC, That just ran out and he's in his first year of his RFA years. So saying that a player like Trouba who's not on his ELC years doesn't apply to Trouba.

ELC player don't demand trades in the NHL, I guess you forgot about Jonathon Drouin then.

 

[Gump Hasek]

The Jets aren't going to be made whole. The pipe dream is held by jets fans who think that they are going to get a young elite player back for Trouba. They may get a player with that kind of potential but who has some risks, they may get a prospect who COULD turn into that, they may get some picks that they might get lucky with.

They aren't getting 1 equal player back, and at some point either you or me will be proven right.

Monkeys might fly out of your posterior this morning. Or, the Jets may package him with other goodies and come out of this with an upgrade. Or, they may sign him and have him play out the full term. There are a myriad of things that could occur. What most likely won't happen however is a snap trade for anything that doesn't meet their desired return.

 

[Whileee]

The Jets aren't going to be made whole. The pipe dream is held by jets fans who think that they are going to get a young elite player back for Trouba. They may get a player with that kind of potential but who has some risks, they may get a prospect who COULD turn into that, they may get some picks that they might get lucky with.

They aren't getting 1 equal player back, and at some point either you or me will be proven right.

I think Chevy set the bar that high for a reason; mainly to push back at Trouba's camp who will want him to jump at any deal. This puts the control directly in Chevy's hands. He can always re-orient himself to take high value in a multi-player deal, but he's right to start with value for value. His previous blockbuster turned out fantastic, so I have no real concerns if Chevy pivots to get a couple of core pieces for Trouba (including a prospect or two). At this point it's all about getting the top value and Chevy knows that it pays to be patient to get there.

 

[Say What]

Trouba is a group II. Overhardt doesn't need permission to speak with other teams.

He wanted the 'right' to actually negotiate the details of a trade. Leaving TNSE with nothing to do, except sign off on the conditions. I say, good luck with that.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Monkeys might fly out of your posterior this morning. Or, the Jets may package him with other goodies and come out of this with an upgrade. Or, they may sign him and have him play out the full term. There are a myriad of things that could occur. What most likely won't happen however is a snap trade for anything that doesn't meet their desired return.

5 months isn't a snap decision. And "desired return" changes when circumstances change.

On the one hand the Jets are doing great and don't miss Trouba and he's been replaced by Morrisey and everything is hunky dory. On the other hand you think that after 5 months teams are going to give oyu the dream 1 equal player or even give you and upgrade.

I think we know where the monkeys have flown.

 

[Whileee]

I think Trouba will sign a 6 year deal @ $5.5 million per in the next 2-3 weeks, Supposedly Dreger said that Chevy would give him that much. In which Cheveldayoff will agree to eventually trade Trouba down the road possibly to an American team for a decent haul.

First off Trouba is no longer on his ELC, That just ran out and he's in his first year of his RFA years. So saying that a player like Trouba who's not on his ELC years doesn't apply to Trouba.

ELC player don't demand trades in the NHL, I guess you forgot about Jonathon Drouin then.

I'm sure that Overhardt and Trouba would love it if Chevy signed him for 6 x $5.5M and then honoured the trade request, but I doubt that Chevy would do that. I think that Chevy would offer that for Trouba if he takes his trade request off the table. However, if he insists on a trade, then I think Chevy (or the new team) squeezes him for a much better value contract. Trouba is not getting paid what he wants and the destination he wants. $5.5M is his salary for Winnipeg. Good luck getting that for another destination.

 

[cobra427]

I think Trouba will sign a 6 year deal @ $5.5 million per in the next 2-3 weeks, Supposedly Dreger said that Chevy would give him that much. In which Cheveldayoff will agree to eventually trade Trouba down the road possibly to an American team for a decent haul.

First off Trouba is no longer on his ELC, That just ran out and he's in his first year of his RFA years. So saying that a player like Trouba who's not on his ELC years doesn't apply to Trouba.

ELC player don't demand trades in the NHL, I guess you forgot about Jonathon Drouin then.

Trouba wants out. The dumbest thing he could do is sign a long term deal. He would be stuck with the Jets and whenever Chevy gets around to trading him. If Trouba is willing to really play hard ball and sit out the year, it will force a trade now or worst case next summer. When Chevy finds out he won't sign for sure, last day of this month, he will trade him to somebody with a standing offer. It depends on how serious the Trouba camp is about sitting out. This is a slippery slope for the Jets and Trouba. It only gets resolved by a trade sooner or later.

 

[Whileee]

5 months isn't a snap decision. And "desired return" changes when circumstances change.

On the one hand the Jets are doing great and don't miss Trouba and he's been replaced by Morrisey and everything is hunky dory. On the other hand you think that after 5 months teams are going to give oyu the dream 1 equal player or even give you and upgrade.

I think we know where the monkeys have flown.

Chevy has repeatedly said that it's a deadline driven league, and that's how he'll operate. He knows that Trouba will agree to the best value contract close to the December 1 deadline. That increases Trouba's trade value. He also knows that the best offers from teams that really want Trouba will come close to the deadline. Right now, he's still just gauging interest, but I think he won't conclude the deal until he gets the very best value, which he believes is around the December 1 deadline.

 

[Gump Hasek]

5 months isn't a snap decision. And "desired return" changes when circumstances change.

On the one hand the Jets are doing great and don't miss Trouba and he's been replaced by Morrisey and everything is hunky dory. On the other hand you think that after 5 months teams are going to give oyu the dream 1 equal player or even give you and upgrade.

I think we know where the monkeys have flown.

If in five months they have been unable to secure what they want while at the same time he is unsigned and while the Jets are facing a negotiation deadline that limits both the number of suitors and the return by extension, the logical play is to add value by signing him to a long-term deal and then trading him at a more appropriate future date, perhaps in a year or two. Huh.

 

[Whileee]

Trouba wants out. The dumbest thing he could do is sign a long term deal. He would be stuck with the Jets and whenever Chevy gets around to trading him. If Trouba is willing to really play hard ball and sit out the year, it will force a trade now or worst case next summer. When Chevy finds out he won't sign for sure, last day of this month, he will trade him to somebody with a standing offer. It depends on how serious the Trouba camp is about sitting out. This is a slippery slope for the Jets and Trouba. It only gets resolved by a trade sooner or later.

Every report suggests that there are multiple teams interested. In that circumstance, "standing offers" won't apply. It will be a bidding process with a fixed "reserve price". If Chevy's "reserve price" is met, he'll trade him to the highest bidder. If not, he'll hang onto him.

Chevy already knows who is interested and how interested they are. He's not flying blind like we are. If he's waiting, it's because he either thinks there's a chance that Trouba will relent and agree to play for the Jets or he thinks that some of the interested teams will increase their offer when there's more pressure. As an example, I could see pressure mounting for a team like the Wings that desperately needs a young #1 D like Trouba. But they might be more motivated once the deadline is upon them.

 

[Dr Quincy]

If in five months they have been unable to secure what they want while at the same time he is unsigned and while the Jets are facing a negotiation deadline that limits both the number of suitors and the return by extension, the logical play is to add value by signing him to a long-term deal, and then trading him at a more appropriate time some date long in the future. Huh.

It's A logical play. But it only works if there is another suitor out there that has the piece you want and is willing to deal it. It's illogical to naturally assume your perfect deal is out there.

Another logical play is to lower your asking price. If you think that's illogical then I guess you think the whole idea of a market driven economy is illogical. If my 2 choices are to pick between the way the world actually works, or your dream born out of passion for a hockey team and wanting to have everything work out just right for them, I'll pick the way the world works.

I'm also remembering how you were speaking very assuredly about how Trouba didn't want out of WPG and how everyone else was wrong for saying that. So, pardon me if I don't buy into your gospel now.

 

[Gump Hasek]

It's A logical play. But it only works if there is another suitor out there that has the piece you want and is willing to deal it. It's illogical to naturally assume your perfect deal is out there.

Another logical play is to lower your asking price. If you think that's illogical then I guess you think the whole idea of a market driven economy is illogical. If my 2 choices are to pick between the way the world actually works, or your dream born out of passion for a hockey team and wanting to have everything work out just right for them, I'll pick the way the world works.

I'm also remembering how you were speaking very assuredly about how Trouba didn't want out of WPG and how everyone else was wrong for saying that. So, pardon me if I don't buy into your gospel now.

You are welcome to believe whatever you wish. By the way, what I said at that time was that, at that time, there were no reports he was available in trade - because there weren't any.

It is unfortunate that many fans of other teams wish to misconstrue the asking price as the exact desired return. The asking price represents the value of what they would theoretically be losing. The return however is perhaps more likely to be obscured by a multi-player transaction. Trouba doesn't exist solely within a vacuum. They don't need to trade him one-for-one; they simply need to be compensated fully by the return value. Chevy is a really crafty guy. My bet is that he makes a big deal at some date with a team from out of left field that is cap-hooped, adds something else into the mix, and that he robs them blind.

 

[TheBPA]

Chevy is a really crafty guy. My bet is that he makes a big deal at some date with a team out of left field that is cap-hooped, and something else, and that he robs them blind.

I feel like I keep seeing this theme. Where are these examples of Chevy being such a good GM? Finishing low in the standings and collecting high draft picks isn't exactly an example of genius.

Is it the Kane/Bogosian trade? Are you really that happy with Stafford and Myers?

 

[wintersej]

True, It just sounds like Trouba wont sign with any Canadian team, But we don't know about the American teams. Maybe Trouba would commit to signing long term with Colorado just don't know yet. Of what American teams he would consider a trade to.

How are the Med schools in Denver?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How are the Med schools in Denver?

Haven't a clue on what the Med schools would be like in Denver, I'm not convinced that his girlfriends Med school has any thing to do with him not wanting to play in Canada.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I feel like I keep seeing this theme. Where are these examples of Chevy being such a good GM? Finishing low in the standings and collecting high draft picks isn't exactly an example of genius.

Is it the Kane/Bogosian trade? Are you really that happy with Stafford and Myers?

Chevy has been drafting players since day one, exactly as was planned. As a draft and develop organization, it seems silly to judge them until a majority of his picks mature. That takes time. His results thus far have been great, thanks for asking!
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jets-window-opportunity-opening-sooner-later/

Yep. Myers has played pretty well. Stafford is what he is. Armia was also arguably among the Jets best forwards this season. Lemieux is soon to be playing in the bigs, he'll see some NHL time this season. Roslovic was (the last time I checked) leading their AHL team in scoring as a 19 y/o in what is essentially a 20+ league. He is looking more and more like a future #2C.

 

[Stej]

Trouba will have to accept a sweetheart deal so that Chevy and the Jets can be made whole in trade, or at least get value back that is equivalent to what was already offered but got nixed by the Trouba camp.

Trouba needs to eat that cost, not the Jets. We don't know what offer got nixed, but he might need to consider something like $4.5m x 6yr to make this happen for himself.

Or maybe he's like some posters here and he thinks the Jets and their fans should bear that cost to do him a favour.

 

[WesMcCauley]

I feel like I keep seeing this theme. Where are these examples of Chevy being such a good GM? Finishing low in the standings and collecting high draft picks isn't exactly an example of genius.

Is it the Kane/Bogosian trade? Are you really that happy with Stafford and Myers?

To be honest that was a great trade for Jets. Got Armia, Lemieux and Roslovic(1st round pick) aswell.

 

[Stej]

...or he sits for as long as necessary; maybe as long as 5 years.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Trouba will have to accept a sweetheart deal so that Chevy and the Jets can be made whole in trade, or at least get value back that is equivalent to what was already offered but got nixed by the Trouba camp.

Trouba needs to eat that cost, not the Jets. We don't know what offer got nixed, but he might need to consider something like $4.5m x 6yr to make this happen for himself.

Or maybe he's like some posters here and he thinks the Jets and their fans should bear that cost to do him a favour.

Best way for Trouba to get traded is to not sign with Jets at all. If he says he is not going to sign and stands by that, he will be gone for sure next summer. If he signs, he might have to stay for the entire contract period.