Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'm sure that Overhardt and Trouba would love it if Chevy signed him for 6 x $5.5M and then honoured the trade request, but I doubt that Chevy would do that. I think that Chevy would offer that for Trouba if he takes his trade request off the table. However, if he insists on a trade, then I think Chevy (or the new team) squeezes him for a much better value contract. Trouba is not getting paid what he wants and the destination he wants. $5.5M is his salary for Winnipeg. Good luck getting that for another destination.

Totally agree that Overhardt and Trouba would love the 6 year deal around $5.5 million if Cheveldayoff would honor his trade request. But like you said there's no way that Chevy would do it and Trouba would just rot there for the next 6 years. And by the sound of things that wont happen. The Trouba camp more or less would probaly want a 1-2 year deal but i doubt that Cheveldayoff would want that. Because then he would just have to do it again in a year or two. If Trouba and Overhardt play hardball and Trouba is willing to sit out the year. Then maybe it forces Chevy's hands a little bit. But if Trouba requested the trade back in May and Chevy hasn't made a move yet then it sounds like he's willing to wait it out in the long run and see if Trouba and Overhardt will blink first. As far as the $5.5 million offer from Winnipeg. If Detroit had the pieces to land Trouba i know we don't other then Larkin and he's a no go but i'm pretty sure that Trouba would sign rather easily for that same $5.5 million from Detroit. Maybe other destinations he would seek more.

 

[hizzoner]

Why has a team like Carolina or Florida not made an offer sheet of say 5 years at 6.5? Is Trouba afraid Jets match?

 

[WesMcCauley]

As an RFA player just exiting entry-level status, Trouba doesn't have the right to simply pick and choose where he gets to play in the NHL while his NHL rights are held by the Winnipeg Jets for four additional seasons.

If the Jets ever trade him, it will most likely only be after he signs a long-term contract with them and then plays at a level that allows the GM to choose from a wide-array of suitors and is as such able to secure an elite young player in the return. This isn't about making Trouba happy; it is about making the Winnipeg Jets whole. The sooner that some upset NYR fans figure this out, the faster they will get over their Trouba pipe-dreams.

As ive said a couple times in this thread, i dont buy the precedent thing. It isnt a problem that rfa´s wanna get traded and probably never will be. Pretty unrealistic to believe that many young players wanna be traded just because Jets trade a guy that wants out for some decent reasons. Florida is a small market team, all the rfa´s resigned longterm. Its not a problem and never will be. With that said, Chevy has control of the situation and shouldnt and never will deal Trouba for something he isnt happy with.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Why has a team like Carolina or Florida not made an offer sheet of say 5 years at 6.5? Is Trouba afraid Jets match?

Probably because he isnt worth 6,5 a year...

 

[TheBPA]

Chevy has been drafting players since day one, exactly as was planned. As a draft and develop organization, it seems silly to judge them until a majority of his picks mature. That takes time. His results thus far have been great, thanks for asking!
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jets-window-opportunity-opening-sooner-later/

Yep. Myers has played pretty well. Stafford is what he is. Armia was also arguably among the Jets best forwards this season. Lemieux is soon to be playing in the bigs, he'll see some NHL time this season. Roslovic was (the last time I checked) leading their AHL team in scoring as a 19 y/o in what is essentially a 20+ league. He is looking more and more like a future #2C.

Ok, fair enough. Hope this works out for the Jets. To me, a short term contract with trouba before dec. 1 seems to be the likeliest outcome.

 

[Stej]

Best way for Trouba to get traded is to not sign with Jets at all. If he says he is not going to sign and stands by that, he will be gone for sure next summer. If he signs, he might have to stay for the entire contract period.

He can be involved in negotiations with the acquiring team. I'm saying he'll be forced to make concessions to facilitate a trade, not to sign a deal to play for the Jets.

The only way the well can be unpoisoned with the Jets would be for Trouba to fire his agent, claim he got terrible advice, and say he just wants to play hockey again. That's his easy way to undoing all this. Won't happen though.

 

[Whileee]

I feel like I keep seeing this theme. Where are these examples of Chevy being such a good GM? Finishing low in the standings and collecting high draft picks isn't exactly an example of genius.

Is it the Kane/Bogosian trade? Are you really that happy with Stafford and Myers?

He has nailed almost every first round pick, and now has a young roster and prospect pool that is top-rated.

You obviously didn't do your homework on the Kane/Bogo trade. You need to add Armia, Roslovic and Lemieux to the Jets' side of the ledger. Armia has been one of the Jets top forwards this season, Roslovic is at a point/game and leading our AHL team in points as a 19 year old, and Lemieux has strong NHL potential. So, yeah, I'd say that was pretty much a home run for Chevy.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba wants out. The dumbest thing he could do is sign a long term deal. He would be stuck with the Jets and whenever Chevy gets around to trading him. If Trouba is willing to really play hard ball and sit out the year, it will force a trade now or worst case next summer. When Chevy finds out he won't sign for sure, last day of this month, he will trade him to somebody with a standing offer. It depends on how serious the Trouba camp is about sitting out. This is a slippery slope for the Jets and Trouba. It only gets resolved by a trade sooner or later.

Totally agree, Of course Cheveldayoff will want to lock up Trouba long term. Because Chevy still feels that Trouba is apart of the current core for a long time to come. But i seriously doubt that Trouba feels the same by the sound of things. Trouba might be better off to sign a 1-2 year deal around $4.5 million per. Chevy should still get a decent haul for him. And the team that trades for him gets a solid #2 D man in return signed at a nice price. And then they can look at locking him up long term in a year or so. Have to think that Trouba might blink first if Trouba is willing to hold out for the year and maybe try and force Chevy to move him next summer. I guess we shall see what happens in the next 2-3 weeks here. Trouba only has 24 more days to sign or sit out the year. And i can't seriously see Trouba sitting out the season.

 

[Stej]

Just noticed that Whilee beat me to it with regards to Trouba having to take less to facilitate trade. As usual, Whilee says what I'm thinking.

 

[TheBPA]

He has nailed almost every first round pick, and now has a young roster and prospect pool that is top-rated.

You obviously didn't do your homework on the Kane/Bogo trade. You need to add Armia, Roslovic and Lemieux to the Jets' side of the ledger. Armia has been one of the Jets top forwards this season, Roslovic is at a point/game and leading our AHL team in points as a 19 year old, and Lemieux has strong NHL potential. So, yeah, I'd say that was pretty much a home run for Chevy.

That's fine and I didn't really recall all of the pieces in the trade.

But nailing almost every first round pick in the top of the draft is really just an acceptable performance. The oilers also nailed almost every first round pick (yakupov being an exception). It was their drafting after the first round that hindered their rebuild for years.

Edit: really this is neither here nor there. I just don't have a whole lot of confidence that chevy is actually going to get the value he claims he is looking for, but he's been backed into this situation by trouba in any event.

 

[Whileee]

Totally agree that Overhardt and Trouba would love the 6 year deal around $5.5 million if Cheveldayoff would honor his trade request. But like you said there's no way that Chevy would do it and Trouba would just rot there for the next 6 years. And by the sound of things that wont happen. The Trouba camp more or less would probaly want a 1-2 year deal but i doubt that Cheveldayoff would want that. Because then he would just have to do it again in a year or two. If Trouba and Overhardt play hardball and Trouba is willing to sit out the year. Then maybe it forces Chevy's hands a little bit. But if Trouba requested the trade back in May and Chevy hasn't made a move yet then it sounds like he's willing to wait it out in the long run and see if Trouba and Overhardt will blin first. As far as the $5.5 million offer from Winnipeg. If Detroit had the pieces to land Trouba i know we don't other then Larkin and he's a no go but i'm pretty sure that Trouba would sign rather easily for that same $5.5 million from Detroit. Maybe other destinations he would seek more.

If the Red Wings offered what Chevy is demanding in a trade I would wager that Trouba would jump at the chance, and help facilitate by agreeing to a much cheaper deal (maybe 6 x $5M, or even better). I think it's quite possible that there are teams that are ready to meet Chevy's trade requirements but only if they get a sweet contract deal with Trouba, and the deal is being held up until Trouba and Overhardt are squeezed into accepting a very team-friendly deal (for the new team).

One thing that won't happen is that Trouba will get a great contract and his desired destination. He'll get paid handsomely to stay in Winnipeg, but will have to compromise substantially on salary to go to a new team.

It's too bad the Wings don't have the pieces to make it work. He's exactly what they need.

I still wouldn't rule out Anaheim as a destination, mostly because they have the young D assets the Jets would want. It would mean that Trouba would have to take a bridge deal and the Jets would have to take back some salary this season (maybe Bernier or Stoner).

 

[Stej]

That's fine and I didn't really recall all of the pieces in the trade.

But nailing almost every first round pick in the top of the draft is really just an acceptable performance. The oilers also nailed almost every first round pick (yakupov being an exception). It was their drafting after the first round that hindered their rebuild for years.

Outside of getting lucky with Laine this year (which doesn't apply to your argument anyway because Laine hasn't had enough time to turn the Jets around), Chevy's highest draft pick was 7th overall (Scheifele). Off memory, Trouba went 9th, Morrissey went 13th, Ehlers went 9th, Connor went 15th. It's not like the Jets have been getting top 5 pick after top 5 pick like some teams have. Some would even argue he's been stuck in purgatory; not bad enough to get top picks but not good enough to make playoffs.

Given draft positions, I think Chevy has knocked the drafting out of the park.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why has a team like Carolina or Florida not made an offer sheet of say 5 years at 6.5? Is Trouba afraid Jets match?

Maybe Carolina nor Florida want to commit $6.5 million long term for Trouba, He's not worth that much. Carolina already has a solid young D core even without Trouba and Florida is already paying big bucks to both Yandle and Ekblad. Why? Would Florida want to give Trouba $6.5 million that would be close to $20 million long term for Yandle, Ekblad and Trouba Florida isn't a big market team and already pretty much have their young core locked up long term now. And with the talk that Carolina could be a possible relocation team maybe to Quebec City down the road. And obviously Trouba wants no part of Canada i can't see him signing an offer sheet from Carolina and who's to say if Chevy matches it or not. There was some speculation that Boston's GM Doug Sweeney might offer sheet Trouba and then decided against it. Then Cheveldayoff would match it if Trouba signed it and then be stuck in Winnipeg for the foreseeable future which i guess he doesn't want. Hard to say what Trouba and Overhardt will do in the next 2-3 weeks. But if Trouba really really wants to get back to playing hockey here. He will need to do something in these next 24 days or so.

 

[Gump Hasek]

That's fine and I didn't really recall all of the pieces in the trade.

But nailing almost every first round pick in the top of the draft is really just an acceptable performance. The oilers also nailed almost every first round pick (yakupov being an exception). It was their drafting after the first round that hindered their rebuild for years.

The Jets current/future starter in goal Hellebuyck was taken in the fifth round IIRC. Adam Lowry was a third round pick. Andrew Copp was a fourth-rounder. They are all currently on the roster. Tucker Poolman of UND was a fifth round pick that will likely fill a D spot for them next year. Erik Foley of Providence College, a third round selection, will play for them in a year or two.

 

[Gnova]

Best way for Trouba to get traded is to not sign with Jets at all. If he says he is not going to sign and stands by that, he will be gone for sure next summer. If he signs, he might have to stay for the entire contract period.

No, but I think he is signed for sure by next December.

At this time the Jets have no urgency to sign Trouba this season.
If Trouba doesn't sign this year his RFA period is extended for a year and his value and bargaining power goes down.
The Jets will likely need him in 5 years more than this year anyways. They aren't ready to seriously contend this year.

 

[Whileee]

That's fine and I didn't really recall all of the pieces in the trade.

But nailing almost every first round pick in the top of the draft is really just an acceptable performance. The oilers also nailed almost every first round pick (yakupov being an exception). It was their drafting after the first round that hindered their rebuild for years.

Edit: really this is neither here nor there. I just don't have a whole lot of confidence that chevy is actually going to get the value he claims he is looking for, but he's been backed into this situation by trouba in any event.

Jets have drafted well after the first round too, and made some astute trades for prospects (Armia, Dano and Lemieux), which is why they have a very deep and talented prospect pool and group of young players. They beat the Wings in Detroit a couple of nights ago with a line-up that was missing 8 or 9 regulars, and a forward line-up that averaged about 23 years old (they played 5 rookies).

The point is that Chevy knows that he has the essentials of a very deep and talented team and he sees Trouba, or whatever he gets in trading Trouba as a key piece. He is not going to rush into a trade, and he believes that waiting until closer to the deadline will bring a better result. He has the confidence in his team and the support of his owners to wait patiently. Meanwhile, I think that pressure is going to mount in a number of franchises to make a move, and the pressure keeps mounting on Trouba to agree to a really friendly contract (either for the Jets or the team he is traded to).

 

[Whileee]

The Jets current/future starter in goal Hellebuyck was taken in the fifth round IIRC. Adam Lowry was a third round pick. Andrew Copp was a fourth-rounder. They are all currently on the roster. Tucker Poolman of UND was a fifth round pick that will likely fill a D spot for them next year. Erik Foley of Providence College, a third round selection, will play for them in a year or two.

Petan was a 2nd rounder, Tanev a college free agent, etc.

Regardless, if you nail all your first rounders you are in very good shape. There are a few teams that know that all too well.

 

[wintersej]

I feel like I keep seeing this theme. Where are these examples of Chevy being such a good GM? Finishing low in the standings and collecting high draft picks isn't exactly an example of genius.

Is it the Kane/Bogosian trade? Are you really that happy with Stafford and Myers?

This fascinates me. Kane, Bogo, and Myers have all been disappointing relative to original projections. Stafford is overpaid and playing out his last year in WPG. Arima, as it stands right now, is going to be exposed in the expansion draft. Lemieux is an OK prospect, but nothing special. I think you can say Chevy won the deal, but it's hardly the steal of the century.

He got a late 1st and a disappointing, but high upside, prospect for Ladd. Pretty good.

Laine and Connor fell into his lap. I guess you have to give him credited for actually making those picks and not tripping on the stairs and vomiting all over himself until the draft clock ran out of time?

He signed Dustin Byfuglien to the 3rd highest cap hit of any d-man in the NHL. Hmm... OK.

He signed Toby Enstrom to a 5.75 million dollar contract with a NMC. Well... not great.

He gave Mark Stuart a new 4 year deal because... I don't know... Stuart had incriminating pictures?

He rolled with, quite possibly, the worst goalie in the NHL for multiple seasons because...reasons?

So while I think Chevy is a solid GM, I feel like I am talking with Patriots fans about Bill Belichick when I talk to Jets fans about him. And I don't understand why.

 

[Whileee]

Maybe Carolina nor Florida want to commit $6.5 million long term for Trouba, He's not worth that much. Carolina already has a solid young D core even without Trouba and Florida is already paying big bucks to both Yandle and Ekblad. Why? Would Florida want to give Trouba $6.5 million that would be close to $20 million long term for Yandle, Ekblad and Trouba Florida isn't a big market team and already pretty much have their young core locked up long term now. And with the talk that Carolina could be a possible relocation team maybe to Quebec City down the road. And obviously Trouba wants no part of Canada i can't see him signing an offer sheet from Carolina and who's to say if Chevy matches it or not. There was some speculation that Boston's GM Doug Sweeney might offer sheet Trouba and then decided against it. Then Cheveldayoff would match it if Trouba signed it and then be stuck in Winnipeg for the foreseeable future which i guess he doesn't want. Hard to say what Trouba and Overhardt will do in the next 2-3 weeks. But if Trouba really really wants to get back to playing hockey here. He will need to do something in these next 24 days or so.

I'd bet that Chevy has already made it very clear to Trouba and his agent that if he signs an offer sheet like that they will match and refuse to trade him for 5 years. They are not going to get punked in this process. If Trouba wants to play elsewhere, then he needs to realize that it will be on the Jets terms, not his.

 

[Gnova]

But nailing almost every first round pick in the top of the draft is really just an acceptable performance. The oilers also nailed almost every first round pick (yakupov being an exception). It was their drafting after the first round that hindered their rebuild for years.

Did the Oilers really nail it?
Instead of drafting to their need they just picked the highest rated player every year. The equipment trainer and a copy of the Hockey News could have done as well.

The Jets have regularly drafted "off book" to pick a player they liked and filled a need for the organization. Laine was pretty much the first pick the Jets have made where the selection was obvious.

 

[wintersej]

Did the Oilers really nail it?
Instead of drafting to their need they just picked the highest rated player every year. The equipment trainer and a copy of the Hockey News could have done as well.

The Jets have regularly drafted "off book" to pick a player they liked and filled a need for the organization. Laine was pretty much the first pick the Jets have made where the selection was obvious.

Connor?

 

[Gump Hasek]

Connor?

Kyle Connor? He is playing well thus far as a first-year player. Zero complaints about that pick so far. He made a game-saving defensive play against Detroit late in the game on Friday. Not bad for a kid known as a scorer.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'd bet that Chevy has already made it very clear to Trouba and his agent that if he signs an offer sheet like that they will match and refuse to trade him for 5 years. They are not going to get punked in this process. If Trouba wants to play elsewhere, then he needs to realize that it will be on the Jets terms, not his.

Exactly all the more reason why Trouba would never sign an offer sheet in a million years, Because he knows that Chevy would easily match it and he would be stuck in the Peg for the foreseeable future. As far as Trouba needing to realize that the ball is in Chevy's court i totally agree with you. If Trouba truly wants out of the Peg then Overhardt and Chevy need to compromise on a deal to make it happen. Maybe 1-2 years around $4 to $4.5 million per to say any American team leaving Canada out as it sounds like Overhardt and Trouba wont commit to any Canadian team. And Chevy gets the best haul rather if be the Rangers, Bruins, Hurricanes, Flyers etc. Trouba needs to be back out on the ice i think we all agree to that.

 

[Whileee]

This fascinates me. Kane, Bogo, and Myers have all been disappointing relative to original projections. Stafford is overpaid and playing out his last year in WPG. Arima, as it stands right now, is going to be exposed in the expansion draft. Lemieux is an OK prospect, but nothing special. I think you can say Chevy won the deal, but it's hardly the steal of the century.

He got a late 1st and a disappointing, but high upside, prospect for Ladd. Pretty good.

Laine and Connor fell into his lap. I guess you have to give him credited for actually making those picks and not tripping on the stairs and vomiting all over himself until the draft clock ran out of time?

He signed Dustin Byfuglien to the 3rd highest cap hit of any d-man in the NHL. Hmm... OK.

He signed Toby Enstrom to a 5.75 million dollar contract with a NMC. Well... not great.

He gave Mark Stuart a new 4 year deal because... I don't know... Stuart had incriminating pictures?

He rolled with, quite possibly, the worst goalie in the NHL for multiple seasons because...reasons?

So while I think Chevy is a solid GM, I feel like I am talking with Patriots fans about Bill Belichick when I talk to Jets fans about him. And I don't understand why.

Myers was the Jets' best D at the beginning of this season (and top 3 for most of the second half last season). He had been playing with injuries.

Armia was playing so well that it seems likely that the Jets would have been protecting him. He was literally one of the top 3-4 forwards this season, after a very strong finish last season.

You forgot about Roslovic (2015 1st rounder), who is leading his AHL team in scoring as a 19-year old, and looks very much like a #2-3 C very soon.

Here are his 1st round picks.... Scheifele (7), Trouba (9), Morrissey (13), Ehlers (9), Connor (17), Roslovic (25), Laine (2). Find me another team that comes even close to that value for first rounders over the past 6 years (considering draft position).

Pavs was a swing and a miss (despite his 0.920 mirage in 2014-15), but the NHL is full of bad goalie decisions.

Stuart and Enstrom are very, very far from the worst contracts in the NHL. Enstrom is still a top-4 D and Stuart's cap hit is well under $3M - hardly crippling for the Jets.

The sum total of everything is that the Jets have a very good young roster, a deep prospect pool, and an enviable cap situation going forward. They started with a small and core and zero prospects. Chevy isn't going to panic now.

 

[wintersej]

Kyle Connor? He is playing well thus far as a first-year player. Zero complaints about that pick so far. He made a game-saving defensive play against Detroit late in the game on Friday. Not bad for a kid known as a scorer.

Right, I was responding to the poster saying the Laine was Chevy's only obvious pick.