Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[SCP Guy]

If troubas camp was to say we will not sign a long term deal in Winnipeg as we prefer to spend the bulk of his peak money making years in another market (for whatever reason I don't care) I could respect that... If they took a bridge or nothing stance I could respect that.... But to try and put the organization in this position of we won't negotiate AT ALL ...and will only go to these few teams in the USA....really shows the type of people he has surrounded himself with....

 

[Stream*]

what the hell am I agreeing about?

Are the players aging? I mean, sure. We are all aging. We age every day.

You are talking like the Rangers have an old roster. I just named a bunch of players in their mid 20s or younger that are the core of our team. What the hell are you talking about?

"majority over 30" what?

you know how many players over 30 will be in the Rangers starting lineup tonight? 2. TWO. (Hank not starting, so usually its 3) You are lawst, just lawst.

Try to keep up. I said you are an old team. You say ya but we only draft young guys and then trade them away for old guys like st Louis (but you say you haven't done that since then 90s) but then tell me everyone you have traded for old guys in the past 5 years. Then your young players coming in are free agent guys that didnt even come from you system. Better throw grabner in there as one of your bright spots while your at it. No way wheeler would take his place. Then your only response is to try to put down our playoff record? How old are you? Playoff wins are only important if you are the last team standing. Did you mention your 4 cup wins...in what 100 years in the league? And most of those coming when there were what 4 teams in the league?

Anyway this is a Trouba thread so keep believing your guys are blossoming.

 

[Hire Sather]

Try to keep up. I said you are an old team. You say ya but we only draft young guys and then trade them away for old guys like st Louis (but you say you haven't done that since then 90s) but then tell me everyone you have traded for old guys in the past 5 years. Then your young players coming in are free agent guys that didnt even come from you system. Better throw grabner in there as one of your bright spots while your at it. No way wheeler would take his place. Then your only response is to try to put down our playoff record? How old are you? Playoff wins are only important if you are the last team standing. Did you mention your 4 cup wins...in what 100 years in the league? And most of those coming when there were what 4 teams in the league?

Wrong again. Keep trying.

Fact of the matter is we have Jimmy Vesey who looks like a really promising young player. Kevin Hayes struggled a bit last year but is showing better signs this year. We traded away some draft picks but still recoupped great young assets in other ways. Sounds like fantastic management to me.

It's not my fault players want to come to this organization and not demand trades/refuse to sign with the club.

Because of the salary cap, no we cannot fit Blake Wheeler in replacement of Grabner. I wouldn't want to cut cap elsewhere for the purpose of making that swap work. Wheeler is a top 6 forward and barring injury wouldn't make our top 6 right now. Grabner is fine in his role at his cap hit.

Its easy to say playoff wins don't matter if you don't win the cup when you haven't even enjoyed the pleasure of winning a playoff game. It means something, a playoff run. We may not have won the cup the last couple seasons but the joy and excitement of a playoff run is what you should live for as a fan. 3 rounds including two great game 7 wins in 2014 but yeah it means nothing. I wish we finished bottom 5 and looked forward to the draft instead of enjoying playoff hockey. Like you expect to throw your prospects together one year and just make a cup run out of nowhere. Playoff wins and experience do matter. Getting wins under your belt but losing to a better team. Building for the next year off that success. It's not about finshing bottom 10 every season and then all of sudden winning a cup.

And we aren't "blossoming" we're there every year, as a contender. Status quo. Still with a great young core and hope for the future with young players that have proven it or are proving it right now at the NHL level. Keep praying all your shiny prospects actually get to the NHL and reach their projections

 

[HuGo Sham]

we get it, you don't like pacioretty. now stop making trade proposals. bergevin will dump his crappy centre before he gets moved

 

[Positive Vibes]

awful for the jets

wont be a trade between the habs and jets with any names mentioned mostly because sergachev wont ever likely be moved and i dont see chucky being moved ithier

 

[TheLowKreider]

Zzzzzzz.

Nothing in the Rangers pipeline, nothing. Old goalie, old lineup, meh.

Meanwhile, the Jets issue over the past few years has been a lack of depth. Last night they beat the Red Wings however despite playing the second-consecutive night on the road and missing 8 regulars from the lineup, including 3 of their top-6 D and 5 of their top-9 forwards. The long rebuild plan you were mocking is just coming to fruition. The Jets are just getting started.

9th youngest team in the NHL - not old

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Wrong again. Keep trying.

Fact of the matter is we have Jimmy Vesey who looks like a really promising young player. Kevin Hayes struggled a bit last year but is showing better signs this year. We traded away some draft picks but still recoupped great young assets in other ways. Sounds like fantastic management to me.

It's not my fault players want to come to this organization and not demand trades/refuse to sign with the club.

Because of the salary cap, no we cannot fit Blake Wheeler in replacement of Grabner. I wouldn't want to cut cap elsewhere for the purpose of making that swap work. Wheeler is a top 6 forward and barring injury wouldn't make our top 6 right now. Grabner is fine in his role at his cap hit.

Its easy to say playoff wins don't matter if you don't win the cup when you haven't even enjoyed the pleasure of winning a playoff game. It means something, a playoff run. We may not have won the cup the last couple seasons but the joy and excitement of a playoff run is what you should live for as a fan. 3 rounds including two great game 7 wins in 2014 but yeah it means nothing. I wish we finished bottom 5 and looked forward to the draft instead of enjoying playoff hockey. Like you expect to throw your prospects together one year and just make a cup run out of nowhere. Playoff wins and experience do matter. Getting wins under your belt but losing to a better team. Building for the next year off that success. It's not about finshing bottom 10 every season and then all of sudden winning a cup.

And we aren't "blossoming" we're there every year, as a contender. Status quo. Still with a great young core and hope for the future with young players that have proven it or are proving it right now at the NHL level. Keep praying all your shiny prospects actually get to the NHL and reach their projections

I have agreed with the vast majority of what you have said in this thread. That being said, Blake Wheeler would be in your top 6 every day and twice on Sundays. Even if you think you have a top 6 that is working right now, he is the type of player you make room for. He would be the best forward on your team. If you expect the high shooting percentages on your team (Hayes 25%, Vesey 30%, Grabner 27%, Zucc 22%, Pirri 28%, even Miller at 14% is pretty high) to continue, you are in for a rude awakening.

 

[Hire Sather]

I have agreed with the vast majority of what you have said in this thread. That being said, Blake Wheeler would be in your top 6 every day and twice on Sundays. Even if you think you have a top 6 that is working right now, he is the type of player you make room for. He would be the best forward on your team. If you expect the high shooting percentages on your team (Hayes 25%, Vesey 30%, Grabner 27%, Zucc 22%, Pirri 28%, even Miller at 14% is pretty high) to continue, you are in for a rude awakening.

Don't expect the shooting percentages to keep up but Zucc has proven himself as a top 6 forward for us. I'd personally take him over Wheeler. Maybe I'm a homer.

Vesey has looked great and I just wouldn't want to take minutes from him right now. Can't argue Wheeler is more proven. The other players you mentioned are not in our top 6 at this time.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Don't expect the shooting percentages to keep up but Zucc has proven himself as a top 6 forward for us. I'd personally take him over Wheeler. Maybe I'm a homer.

Vesey has looked great and I just wouldn't want to take minutes from him right now. Can't argue Wheeler is more proven. The other players you mentioned are not in our top 6 at this time.

You think?

 

[Hire Sather]

You think?

I don't think its unfair at all.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I don't think its unfair at all.

Make a poll and see how far you get.

Edit: If Chevy ever traded Wheeler straight up for Zuc, he would be fired before the ink dried.

 

[Stream*]

Wrong again. Keep trying.

Fact of the matter is we have Jimmy Vesey who looks like a really promising young player. Kevin Hayes struggled a bit last year but is showing better signs this year. We traded away some draft picks but still recoupped great young assets in other ways. Sounds like fantastic management to me.

It's not my fault players want to come to this organization and not demand trades/refuse to sign with the club.

Because of the salary cap, no we cannot fit Blake Wheeler in replacement of Grabner. I wouldn't want to cut cap elsewhere for the purpose of making that swap work. Wheeler is a top 6 forward and barring injury wouldn't make our top 6 right now. Grabner is fine in his role at his cap hit.

Its easy to say playoff wins don't matter if you don't win the cup when you haven't even enjoyed the pleasure of winning a playoff game. It means something, a playoff run. We may not have won the cup the last couple seasons but the joy and excitement of a playoff run is what you should live for as a fan. 3 rounds including two great game 7 wins in 2014 but yeah it means nothing. I wish we finished bottom 5 and looked forward to the draft instead of enjoying playoff hockey. Like you expect to throw your prospects together one year and just make a cup run out of nowhere. Playoff wins and experience do matter. Getting wins under your belt but losing to a better team. Building for the next year off that success. It's not about finshing bottom 10 every season and then all of sudden winning a cup.

And we aren't "blossoming" we're there every year, as a contender. Status quo. Still with a great young core and hope for the future with young players that have proven it or are proving it right now at the NHL level. Keep praying all your shiny prospects actually get to the NHL and reach their projections

Do you even think before you type? I say you trade away all your good draft picks and you say no look at Hayes and vesey.

Tell me what round did you drafted those 2 players? I stopped reading after that cause you just can't keep up with the conversation.

 

[nyr__1994]

Do you even think before you type? I say you trade away all your good draft picks and you say no look at Hayes and vesey.

Tell me what round did you drafted those 2 players? I stopped reading after that cause you just can't keep up with the conversation.

I forgot the goal is to collect the most homegrown players instead of, you know, trying to win games.

Why does it matter where the players come from as long at the team is competitive every year? I will take making the playoffs every year but one since the lockout, more playoff series wins than everyone but LA, Chicago and Pittsburgh over the past couple seasons, 2 trips to the ECF and a trip to the SCF in the past 4 years.

After an early playoff exit this past season, our GM identified the problems with the team, and through a very good trade (you may want to let your GM know that he is allowed to trade players) and some very good free agent signings, changed the dynamics of the team this year. While the season is still young, the early returns are very encouraging.

The only area our GM was not able to completely address this off season was the defense. But, he is actively working on that. That is why the NYR fans here are active in this thread, along with other teams that are looking for help on the blue line.

Give me a GM that identifies problems within his team and then actively, smartly and aggressively addresses them over te GM that lets the problem fester and rot until he feels good and ready.

Skjei and Klein for Trouba....

 

[Snowman]

Skjei and Klein for Trouba....

Yuck.

 

[nyr__1994]

Yuck.

Just trying to keep it on topic

 

[Snowman]

Just trying to keep it on topic

I get ya. It's probably about time we got back on topic.

 

[Gardner McKay]

The Rangers are an old team reliant upon an old goalie in a league quickly trending toward youth and speed. They have little in the pipeline and continually trade away their first round draft selections. They are so bereft of any prospects that many of their fans were actually convinced that Dylan Mcllrath held value.

Meanwhile, the Jets have been drafting diligently since 2011 and are now at the point in the cycle where many of those players are just entering the organization. Their best is yet to come, you just don't know it yet.

You know, the irony here is how many times in these Trouba threads I have seen you tell people to do their research regarding the Jets. The Rangers are one of the fastest teams in the league as well as the 9th youngest. Maybe if you practiced what you preached you would be taken a bit more seriously.

 

[Stream*]

You know, the irony here is how many times in these Trouba threads I have seen you tell people to do their research regarding the Jets. The Rangers are one of the fastest teams in the league as well as the 9th youngest. Maybe if you practiced what you preached you would be taken a bit more seriously.

Funny I didn't see you chiming up when some genius claimed the Rangers where way younger than the Jets, or does research to you only fit in when you can Google "fastest team in the nhl" and you get a post from that rocket scientist?

 

[Hire Sather]

Do you even think before you type? I say you trade away all your good draft picks and you say no look at Hayes and vesey.

Tell me what round did you drafted those 2 players? I stopped reading after that cause you just can't keep up with the conversation.

Maybe you should read it because I destroyed you again

 

[Stream*]

Maybe you should read it because I destroyed you again

Keep believing what you want.... Hayes and Vesey NYR management draft picks... nice. FYI they put their name in a hat for players to sign a contract with. They picked the lifestyle and the big city over hockey future, cause that is the type of people they are. Didn't Sean Avery do the same thing, and who was that coked out drunk driver that you guys picked up from Tampa....or that guy that is in jail for breaking and entering and conspiracy to kill someone. Management at its finest.

 

[Hire Sather]

Keep believing what you want.... Hayes and Vesey NYR management draft picks... nice. FYI they put their name in a hat for players to sign a contract with. They picked the lifestyle and the big city over hockey future, cause that is the type of people they are. Didn't Sean Avery do the same thing, and who was that coked out drunk driver that you guys picked up from Tampa....or that guy that is in jail for breaking and entering and conspiracy to kill someone. Management at its finest.

???? rofl

Its great when you pick apart someones argument then they just go off the rails saying things that make no sense.

First round picks were traded yet the Rangers still acquired first round young talent the last two off seasons. That's great management.

As for the second passage there you are just angry at this point with no idea what to say

 

[Gump Hasek]

You know, the irony here is how many times in these Trouba threads I have seen you tell people to do their research regarding the Jets. The Rangers are one of the fastest teams in the league as well as the 9th youngest. Maybe if you practiced what you preached you would be taken a bit more seriously.

Meh. Am actually watching the Bruins beating the Rangers 1-0 right now. The Rangers speed is overblown, frankly. The young Jets will likely skate them into the ground tomorrow night.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Meh. Am actually watching the Bruins beating the Rangers 1-0 right now. The Rangers speed is overblown, frankly. The young Jets will likely skate them into the ground tomorrow night, frankly.

You are entitled to your opinion on that, although your sample size is quite poor. Does nothing to change the fact that you were completely wrong by calling us old when we are the 9th youngest team in the NHL.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Meh. Am actually watching the Bruins beating the Rangers 1-0 right now. The Rangers speed is overblown, frankly. The young Jets will likely skate them into the ground tomorrow night.

It's now 2-1 with one of those goals being because of the Rangers speed while short handed.

 

[Randal61]

You are entitled to your opinion on that, although your sample size is quite poor. Does nothing to change the fact that you were completely wrong by calling us old when we are the 9th youngest team in the NHL.

Cause you said so