Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[tempest2i]

This exactly. You sign a 6 year deal in the well established price range and start playing hockey. You prove you a top pairing RHD and Chevy gets a trade offer he is willing to accept. Worst case scenario you are a UFA at age 28 in the heart of your prime and you call all your own shots for a big ticket deal.

What evidence does Trouba have that he's not going to end up stuck in Winnipeg for another 6 years if he signs that deal? Chevy isn't exactly well known for completing a lot of trades. Not to mention he has failed to trade him right now, you can't trust that he'll trade him later either.

Oh yeah, and Trouba loses any control over where he goes after he signs a 6 year deal as well. Which probably isn't very appealing.

 

[ffh]

This proposal is everything but what the GM actually tries hard....

There's no way to trade leadership for prima donna and undersize man (no offense to Ehlers... like him a lot)

ehlers isn't afraid to cut into the middle of the ice carrying the puck, max is. I will take the undersized guy with more courage. and more skill. and I like max a lot too.

 

[JetsHomer]

What evidence does Trouba have that he's not going to end up stuck in Winnipeg for another 6 years if he signs that deal? Chevy isn't exactly well known for completing a lot of trades. Not to mention he has failed to trade him right now, you can't trust that he'll trade him later either.

Oh yeah, and Trouba loses any control over where he goes after he signs a 6 year deal as well. Which probably isn't very appealing.

What evidence does Trouba have that Chevy is going to relent and trade him when he's intentionally lowering his value by refusing to sign with certain teams?

I'd much rather wait two years for a trade if I was making 5.5m rather than waitting two years for a trade when I'm making 0

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

This post needs to be cut off. Jets break the phone from slamming it down after hearing the proposal. Laughable

This is pretty much my thinking as well, Cheveldayoff slams the phone down on MB and tells him never to call him again that's how bad it is for Winnipeg.

 

[Gump Hasek]

 

[Maukkis]

Yet people bash Chevy for not pulling a trigger. If he does that, all 30 teams are going to suffer in the long run.

 

[Whileee]

Also, Morrissey has stepped up and been fantastic in a top-4 LD role this season. Myers was very strong before his recent injury. The Jets have actually been playing very well after a bit of a shaky start, despite missing Myers and Trouba. They are playing a ton of young players, partly by design and partly due to a bunch of injuries. Last night, the average age of their forwards was about 23.5, which is a remarkably young team. They are clearly building something for 2-3 years from now. I don't see them being pressured into any move other than one that suits Chevy.

 

[Whileee]

Yet people bash Chevy for not pulling a trigger. If he does that, all 30 teams are going to suffer in the long run.

I think Chevy would only trade Trouba if he clearly gets top market value for Trouba. There are tons of reasons why trading him for anything that looks like a discount is a really bad idea.

 

[Stream*]

Yeah, you said it as if the Rangers are still known for bringing in aging vets.

We brought in MSL for a guy who was asking for way too money for what he was worth. I'd rather have MSL for 2 years, one of which he was a big part of a cup run and lose the two first round picks than have Callahan for the contract he is at right now.

Yandle was 28 when we traded for him.

Mentioning a 4th line forward in Tanner Glass is just laughable. Yeah we're so known for bringing in guys over 30 because we paid one 1.5 mill for 3 years to play on our 4th line. Wow, old old Rangers. He's in the minors now, by the way.

Rangers have been developing players AND contending for years now. Stepan, McDonagh, Kreider, Miller. Staal and Girardi were developed and have been part of great playoff runs even if G is on a downside now. Not to mention Hank who has lead this team since the lockout.

Guys we have traded like Dubinsky and AA. Hagelin. Plenty of others. All while contending for the playoffs every year and being a cup contender some of those years. We do this and contiune to bring youth into our roster and develop players despite trading our first round picks all the time.

Meanwhile the Jets keep talking about the youth movement and waiting. 0 playoff wins. It's coming, I'm sure.

So you just proved my point, and still say I am wrong? Trade young guys, bring in old guys and then of course Hank is definitely in his development stage...

So you are saying you wouldn't take the 9 players I listed from the Jets on to the Rangers.... or maybe wait 10 years and we will trade them for your Dubinskys Hagelins and AA. Not sure what you were disagreeing with but thanks for proving my point.

 

[Whileee]

First off all i heard on the matter, Is that Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada period. That's like 7 teams no mention that he wouldn't play for any American team so that's like 23 teams that more then likely he's willing to play for. So i disagree that Trouba's camp is dictating where he wants to play if he wants to play for any American club then so be it. But i'm sorry i don't see wanting out of Canada dictating where Trouba wants to play there's nothing out there suggesting that he wouldn't agree to sign with any of the 23 American teams out there so Trouba isn't necessarily dictating where he'll play other then Canada isn't part of it.

Doesn't matter. If the best trade deal on offer is from a Canadian team why wouldn't Chevy exert all the pressure he can to force Trouba to accept the move and agree to a contract with the other team?

Trouba put out a public statement saying that his only reason for refusing to negotiate with the Jets is because they already have two RHD, so he is concerned that it will impinge his development. The Jets should take him at face value unless and until he changes his public stance to be more specific about where he wants to play, and why. If he's scuttling potential trades behind the scenes, then I think the Jets will take a very hard line, as they should. Losing one or two NHL seasons at this stage would do more damage to his career and finances than anything.

Chevy can wait for other teams to realize that they have a huge need for defense, and ramp up their trade offers. I noticed that the Red Wings D looked a bit suspect last night against a very young and tired Jets team. Meanwhile, Morrissey looked pretty good in the top-4 for the Jets, didn't he?

 

[Jeti]

Considering all the Winnipeg bashing going on in this **** show thread, I'd like reiterate that the big problem with Trouba's approach is not so much that he asked to be traded from Winnipeg, but rather that he appears to be trying to dictate where he can and cannot be traded to. Assuming those reports are true, THAT is where the serious devaluation comes from.

And that is where my frustration comes from. You want a trade? Sure, let's open it up to 29 other teams and take the best offer.

Do you Trouba apologists not see this? Should Chevy just bend over and take anything he can get from whoever Trouba "allows" him to deal with?

I mean, ****, people are complaining that Chevy's not doing anything when it's been reported that he had a deal in place and the Trouba camp said they wouldn't sign there. If that's true, then I have no idea how you can have an issue with Chevy playing hardball back. It's dumbfounding.

100x this. Clearly both sides have to compromise for a deal to happen. Chevy almost definitely isn't getting Lindholm or Reilly. Trouba almost definitely can't dictate where he goes if he wants to earn millions playing hockey this year.

Somehow some people think all the compromise should come from one side.

 

[ginner classic]

There is nothing wrong with Trouba requesting a trade. If he asked for a move privately and it never materialized then what is he supposed to do.

 

[KingBogo]

What evidence does Trouba have that he's not going to end up stuck in Winnipeg for another 6 years if he signs that deal? Chevy isn't exactly well known for completing a lot of trades. Not to mention he has failed to trade him right now, you can't trust that he'll trade him later either.

Oh yeah, and Trouba loses any control over where he goes after he signs a 6 year deal as well. Which probably isn't very appealing.

He doesn't but he can take that up with the NHLPA who agreed to the current working conditions of NHL players. But it would be the most likely route to being traded.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Doesn't matter. If the best trade deal on offer is from a Canadian team why wouldn't Chevy exert all the pressure he can to force Trouba to accept the move and agree to a contract with the other team?

Trouba put out a public statement saying that his only reason for refusing to negotiate with the Jets is because they already have two RHD, so he is concerned that it will impinge his development. The Jets should take him at face value unless and until he changes his public stance to be more specific about where he wants to play, and why. If he's scuttling potential trades behind the scenes, then I think the Jets will take a very hard line, as they should. Losing one or two NHL seasons at this stage would do more damage to his career and finances than anything.

Chevy can wait for other teams to realize that they have a huge need for defense, and ramp up their trade offers. I noticed that the Red Wings D looked a bit suspect last night against a very young and tired Jets team. Meanwhile, Morrissey looked pretty good in the top-4 for the Jets, didn't he?

Agree supposedly Chevy got a good deal from Toronto for Trouba, But from what Dreger said that Trouba wont sign there heard potentially the exact same thing from Edmonton as well. Looking like he wont play in Canada. But like i stated there's nothing out there suggesting that Trouba wouldn't sign with any of the 23 American clubs. People out there are suggesting that Trouba is trying to dictate in playing only where he wants to play. And i'm sorry but i don't see it that way. If that's the case then i'm pretty sure that Detroit would be ahead on his list of desirable teams of where he would accept a deal to. And seeing that it would have to involve Larkin that's automatically a no go.

Have to admit i only saw bits and pieces of the game, But i liked what i saw from that Morrisey kid. Jacob Trouba who.

 

[Jets92]

What about a three way with wpg-col-car? Slight adds to even things out but Colorado gets defensive help, Carolina gets a solid #1 centre who's also young and wpg get their young LD.

Winnipeg - Noah Hanifin

Colorado -Jacob trouba ( hate trading him within conference )

Carolina - Matt duchene

 

[WesMcCauley]

Ahhh crap I just looked and Skjei is not expansion draft exempt .... Nevermind then... I thought he was drafted in Morrissey's draft year

I would take an expansion draft exempt LHD and a first ... Skjei Missed the cut by a year booooo

Skjei is expansion exempt

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What about a three way with wpg-col-car? Slight adds to even things out but Colorado gets defensive help, Carolina gets a solid #1 centre who's also young and wpg get their young LD.

Winnipeg - Noah Hanifin

Colorado -Jacob trouba ( hate trading him within conference )

Carolina - Matt duchene

Actually this isn't a bad 3 way here, Though like what you just said i doubt that Chevy would trade Trouba within the conference.

 

[kcin94]

What about a three way with wpg-col-car? Slight adds to even things out but Colorado gets defensive help, Carolina gets a solid #1 centre who's also young and wpg get their young LD.

Winnipeg - Noah Hanifin

Colorado -Jacob trouba ( hate trading him within conference )

Carolina - Matt duchene

No way Trouba gets us Hanifin. Carolina gets hosed here.

 

[Hire Sather]

So you just proved my point, and still say I am wrong? Trade young guys, bring in old guys and then of course Hank is definitely in his development stage...

So you are saying you wouldn't take the 9 players I listed from the Jets on to the Rangers.... or maybe wait 10 years and we will trade them for your Dubinskys Hagelins and AA. Not sure what you were disagreeing with but thanks for proving my point.

I didn't prove your point at all. All I said is I would find room for guys like Scheifele and Laine. I wouldn't swap out one of our young cost controlled forwards for Little or Wheeler. I don't want Buff. Thanks for being so clueless that I was able to school you without even thinking about it. You proved this when you claimed you'd rather have the Winnipeg roster over NYR. I'm assuming you're just going to drop your stupid point about the Rangers bringing players in over 30, because you got taken to the woodshed on that one. Clueless and delusional.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Considering all the Winnipeg bashing going on in this **** show thread, I'd like reiterate that the big problem with Trouba's approach is not so much that he asked to be traded from Winnipeg, but rather that he appears to be trying to dictate where he can and cannot be traded to. Assuming those reports are true, THAT is where the serious devaluation comes from.

And that is where my frustration comes from. You want a trade? Sure, let's open it up to 29 other teams and take the best offer.

Do you Trouba apologists not see this? Should Chevy just bend over and take anything he can get from whoever Trouba "allows" him to deal with?

I mean, ****, people are complaining that Chevy's not doing anything when it's been reported that he had a deal in place and the Trouba camp said they wouldn't sign there. If that's true, then I have no idea how you can have an issue with Chevy playing hardball back. It's dumbfounding.

This is a really really good point.

 

[bumblebeeman]

What about a three way with wpg-col-car? Slight adds to even things out but Colorado gets defensive help, Carolina gets a solid #1 centre who's also young and wpg get their young LD.

Winnipeg - Noah Hanifin

Colorado -Jacob trouba ( hate trading him within conference )

Carolina - Matt duchene

I like this deal as a Jets fan, maybe Carolina needs to add something going to Colorado?

 

[Keep Sorokin Me Babe]

What about a three way with wpg-col-car? Slight adds to even things out but Colorado gets defensive help, Carolina gets a solid #1 centre who's also young and wpg get their young LD.

Winnipeg - Noah Hanifin

Colorado -Jacob trouba ( hate trading him within conference )

Carolina - Matt duchene

Yea, Colorado isn't trading their best player

 

[Hire Sather]

Hanifin and Duchene haven't refused to play for their clubs. Their trade values are on another level compared to Trouba.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Hanifin and Duchene haven't refused to play for their clubs. Their trade values are on another level compared to Trouba.

Exactly this, With Trouba's trade demand his trade value is worth considerably less then those two.

 

[Stej]

What about a three way with wpg-col-car? Slight adds to even things out but Colorado gets defensive help, Carolina gets a solid #1 centre who's also young and wpg get their young LD.

Winnipeg - Noah Hanifin

Colorado -Jacob trouba ( hate trading him within conference )

Carolina - Matt duchene

I would consider this (Jets fan).