Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[buggs]

Wait... so Trouba isn't being a "professional" now because he refuses to play for WPG while potentially waiting years and years for Chevy to trade him as Chevy has already shown a willingness to do?

Sorry for late response.

Correct. Kane represents a value of N = 1. Sure Chevy doesn't trade much and we have Kane's 'word' he asked for a trade for years. Call me crazy but my faith in Kane's word is minimal. That said at least Kane played through the rumoured demands. Compare that to Trouba refusing to report and reportedly shooting down a trade with Toronto because he doesn't want to play anywhere in Canada? Yeah that fits my definition of a lack of professionalism.

 

[Riptide]

No, you seem confused actually. So, you're saying Trouba is going to throw away the whole reason he held out and sign a short-term contract with no restrictions on where he gets traded to. That would probably work out great for the Jets, not so much for Trouba.

If he can't get traded before hand, absolutely. I can't imagine him throwing away a season (even if he can play in Europe), because even if he does, he still has the same **** to deal with 6 months from now. How well he plays for WPG after signing a contract however and what issues he may (or may not) cause in the dressing room is a completely separate issue. Once he's signed, there's little recourse WPG has - he still gets paid as long as he fulfills the SPC - and there's nothing in there about attitude or effort levels other than for them to trade him.

But in the meantime, he still cost WPG games and points in the standings, so it's not like there's no harm to WPG for their stance either.

 

[Riptide]

Relative to the CBA as signed by the league and the NHLPA, the latter of which Trouba is a member of, absolutely yes. But he's within his rights simply because he's not collecting a paycheque. Totally his option to sit as long as he likes.

Of course they do. Most of them do it as professionals however and earn money while doing so. Any player can ask for a trade from any market they are playing in. No team with a signed contract is obligated to honor that request though.

Wait... so Trouba isn't being a "professional" now because he refuses to play for WPG while potentially waiting years and years for Chevy to trade him as Chevy has already shown a willingness to do?

Sorry for late response.

Correct. Kane represents a value of N = 1. Sure Chevy doesn't trade much and we have Kane's 'word' he asked for a trade for years. Call me crazy but my faith in Kane's word is minimal. That said at least Kane played through the rumoured demands. Compare that to Trouba refusing to report and reportedly shooting down a trade with Toronto because he doesn't want to play anywhere in Canada? Yeah that fits my definition of a lack of professionalism.

Except that isn't what you said. You said he's not a professional because he's not earning money while waiting for a trade.

On the point about Kane, we'd heard about him wanting out of WPG for years. So that's not only coming from him, but guys like Bobby Mac and other insiders. It wasn't nuclear like this currently is, because Kane didn't constantly bring it up and was part of the team - but then he would have had to have been to collect his paycheque. And really, other than sitting, he had zero recourse. And if he had sat, he would have been in breach of his SPC, which could have had a negative impact on that. Trouba on the other hand doesn't have a valid SPC, and the only leverage WPG has is not signing him to a contract this season - however push come to shove there are other well paying leagues available to Trouba.

 

[haveandare]

So, if teams are DYING for good, young RHD... why would his value drop. Is someone going to create a bunch of RHD's next year?

As Archie Bunker would say: "You've painted yourself into a corner and thrown away the key"

Because the argument for his being good is then based on play he put up over a year ago after not playing at all since, and he'll be a year older.

There's also a possibility that a few teams who are in on him now, NYR for example, will fill their RD need with someone else this year or next year via UFA.

 

[Snowman]

If he can't get traded before hand, absolutely. I can't imagine him throwing away a season (even if he can play in Europe), because even if he does, he still has the same **** to deal with 6 months from now. How well he plays for WPG after signing a contract however and what issues he may (or may not) cause in the dressing room is a completely separate issue. Once he's signed, there's little recourse WPG has - he still gets paid as long as he fulfills the SPC - and there's nothing in there about attitude or effort levels other than for them to trade him.

But in the meantime, he still cost WPG games and points in the standings, so it's not like there's no harm to WPG for their stance either.

Actually though, thinking about it more. I don't think the Jets would sign him to a short term contract even without restrictions. As JT would still be able to control the situation by letting various teams know he won't re-up with them once the bridge is done. The only option is long term.

 

[Antropovsky]

Trouba rejecting Canadian Cities makes no sense considering his agent has made it clear multiple times that Trouba likes Winnipeg, but just wants more opportunity on the right side. Not saying this is true, but I doubt he'd be repeating it in the media on a weekly basis, if he was rejecting locations... that had ample room on the right side.

 

[Stream*]

Because the argument for his being good is then based on play he put up over a year ago after not playing at all since, and he'll be a year older.

There's also a possibility that a few teams who are in on him now, NYR for example, will fill their RD need with someone else this year or next year via UFA.

Ya whose gonna want a 22 year old dman with over 200 games under his belt...not the Ranger for sure. They only bring in guys over 30 so trouba will have to wait. Plus the Ranger have no one the Jets need.

 

[cneely]

Even if you get Trouba to sign you will have a unhappy player who doesn't want to be there and his teammates will know it and that can negatively effect everyone. Jets are in a lose lose situation it is best to end this sooner then later. You won't be regaining full value on him.

Just like Kane?

 

[nyr__1994]

Ya whose gonna want a 22 year old dman with over 200 games under his belt...not the Ranger for sure. They only bring in guys over 30 so trouba will have to wait. Plus the Ranger have no one the Jets need.

You do know that at the beginning of the season the NYR were the 9th youngest team in the league right?

They were an ancient 0.5 years older than the development year Jets.

 

[cneely]

Or maybe Chevy doesn't know how to judge what is fair. If he puts Trouba up for trade and all he's offered is XYZ, that's all Trouba is worth on the open market. Chevy may think Trouba is worth more, but all that doesn't mean Trouba is worth more. More to the Jets, maybe, but that really doesn't mean much since the Jets are selling not buying.

So....

Chevy should call you and see what Trouba is worth?

Sorry, but I trust an NH gm over you.

 

[cneely]

A post that is as blatantly ignorant as that is a low point even for this thread. Congrats!

Its comical though

FYI, in Winterpeg this weekend it's supposed to be 15 degrees Celsius.

 

[nyr__1994]

Its comical though

FYI, in Winterpeg this weekend it's supposed to be 15 degrees Celsius.

[sarcasm] No wonder he want out of Canada, he never knows what the temperature is goi g to be and is always going outside dressed wrong [\sarcasm]

 

[cneely]

He will be older by then with a season off from NHL hockey if he doesn't sign and play if he does sign and play he will then be older with less time before being a UFA. Trouba value ain't getting better by time passing.

No less time to UFA. 4 years whether he sits or plays.

 

[Riptide]

Actually though, thinking about it more. I don't think the Jets would sign him to a short term contract even without restrictions. As JT would still be able to control the situation by letting various teams know he won't re-up with them once the bridge is done. The only option is long term.

JT wouldn't have any control over the situation. The second he's signed, he's prohibited from talking to other GMs and they cannot talk to him/his agent without WPG's permission. That and WPG is able to trade him anywhere they wish. The odds of him changing his mind in WPG (about deciding to withdraw the trade request) is slim considering how things have gone. But we have seen other players do that (most recently, Hamonic), so I doubt that's much of an issue for other GMs.

Still not sure what you're talking about "restrictions". Trouba (or the Jets for that matter) cannot place any "restrictions" on Trouba's contract unless it exceeds 4 years, and even then those "restrictions" are only valid from year 4+. Anything verbal isn't binding and is actually prohibited in the CBA.

But regardless, I would absolutely love to see that happen (WPG refuse to sign anything but a long term contract). You want to talk about screwing the franchise over (as the GM of said franchise no less) solely for the sake of "winning" in the short term? You pull that stunt. Trouba's agent would leak that in a minute, and there's no way you can spin that and say there would not be a negative impact around the league. Basically kiss good bye any potential college free agents and even potentially other young players. Anyone drafted just has to wait 2 years (where they continue to play juniors or go to Europe for a year) until their rights expire and they go back in the draft. College kids just need to get a degree and then they can go where ever (something I suspect Trouba is kicking himself for now). There is absolutely no way that doesn't backfire and harm the Jets long term.

It's akin to getting into a fight with a gunman when you have only a butterknife at hand. Yeah, you might inflict some damage and win the day, but the odds are you're going to end up taking the worst of it.

Yep. There's no way that wouldn't have an impact on other young kids.

He doesn't want to sign but if he caves into signing but will only do a short term deal if Jets refuse say long term or no costing him season of play then Jets will look very bad to the outside.

Wait until that one gets out. "Here player, you must sign a 6+ year contract or you won't play in the NHL for 5 more years." Yeah I'm sure that would go over great with other young players, college kids and prospects. You want to see NCAA prospects and drafted players pull a Wheeler/Schultz/Vesey or an Erixon? Just do that. It would be hilarious. You think Jet fans are upset now... wait until the impact of doing something that ****** was made public.

 

[cneely]

[sarcasm] No wonder he want out of Canada, he never knows what the temperature is goi g to be and is always going outside dressed wrong [\sarcasm]

Lol

If you don't like the weather in Manitoba, wait a minute.

Seriously though, its supposed to be in the mid teens celsius all next week.

 

[Alluckks]

Ya whose gonna want a 22 year old dman with over 200 games under his belt...not the Ranger for sure. They only bring in guys over 30 so trouba will have to wait. Plus the Ranger have no one the Jets need.

Not sure if you have examined the Jets lately, but they need a lot.

 

[Stej]

Wouldn't that be TNSE be circumventing the spirit of the CBA and also perhaps engaging in anti-trust activities and restraint of trade were they to follow that route? They are not entitled to his UFA years. His value is objectively valued much higher. So who is the bully here?

Let's list out the reasons for him to sign elsewhere:
1) The team going nowhere. 2) undesirable living situation (high crime, high taxes, flat and 40 degrees below zero nine months of the year). 3) xenophobia (his girlfriend not allowed to pursue her profession and his father not able to visit), 5) Paired with an anchor on his off side depressing his stats and thus depressing his value for this and subsequent contracts. 6) Smallest market in the NHL thus very little in the way of endorsements and side money.

Who in their right mind wouldn't want out of that situation? After the Kane debacle and now the games with Trouba, TNSE is taking a bad place to play and making it worse. Good luck getting UFAs to sign.

Wow, this post is allowed to stand? Xenophobia? Is that an implication about Winnipeggers, Canadians, or universities?

Ignorant much?

 

[nyr__1994]

Lol

If you don't like the weather in Manitoba, wait a minute.

Seriously though, its supposed to be in the mid teens celsius all next week.

Better bottle the warm air and save it for Trouba when he signs...

 

[cneely]

Better bottle the warm air and save it for Trouba when he signs...

If I bottle any warm air, I'm not giving it to Trouba.

 

[135ace]

Wait a minute, that goes against everything you've been saying. For the last 10 pages you've been advocating that Chevy trade Trouba for whatever he can get, now you're saying he has to do what's best or the team.

You do understand those are completely contradictory don't you?

Actually, you fail to lack any sort of reading comprehension. I haven't advocated trading Trouba for anything, just that it's much better to trade him than to have him sit out.

If Chevy thinks signing him to a long term contract is best, fine, to each his own, I can accept that, but letting him sit is clearly the worst option and Trouba can decide if he wants to sign or not so clearly Trouba has a trump card.

But I guess it's not really Chevy's job to do what's best for the team. You'd rather he do what will make the fans happy and punish Trouba because their feelings were hurt.

 

[cneely]

Actually, you fail to lack any sort of reading comprehension. I haven't advocated trading Trouba for anything, just that it's much better to trade him than to have him sit out.

If Chevy thinks signing him to a long term contract is best, fine, to each his own, I can accept that, but letting him sit is clearly the worst option and Trouba can decide if he wants to sign or not so clearly Trouba has a trump card.

But I guess it's not really Chevy's job to do what's best for the team. You'd rather he do what will make the fans happy and punish Trouba because their feelings were hurt.

I'm so sick of hearing about hurt feelings.

Chevy is going to do what he thinks benefits the Jets as a team the most. Period.
If you disagree, that's fine.

 

[135ace]

So....

Chevy should call you and see what Trouba is worth?

Sorry, but I trust an NH gm over you.

Haha, I can play at that game too... I trust the 29 other GM's who clearly disagree with Chevy over Trouba's value.

 

[135ace]

I'm so sick of hearing about hurt feelings.

Chevy is going to do what he thinks benefits the Jets as a team the most. Period.
If you disagree, that's fine.

My point is simply that Trouba sitting isn't best for the team. And saying that it's worse for Trouba to sit than it is for the Jets really isn't an excuse. If Trouba sits Chevy is to blame.

Maybe you disagree and maybe you think Chevy can magically make it all work out ala the Drouin situation, but as far as I can tell Chevy's no Yzerman and Winnipeg is no Tampa. As the Leafs fans have already stated, it's not even in the tropical part of Canada

 

[Lurch]

Wow, this post is allowed to stand? Xenophobia? Is that an implication about Winnipeggers, Canadians, or universities?

Ignorant much?

It is indeed xenophobia if non-citizens are denied spots in universities due to their nationality. It has been reported repeatedly that Canadian Medical Schools will not allow non-citizens to attend. Pretty much the definition of xenophobia.

 

[Coach Parker]

To be fair though, did Trouba not privately request a trade prior to going public?

Yes. Eveyone knew for months and Gump even came to the Bruins board to tells us all that he hadn't requested a trade and we were all wrong. Then his agent went public after being private about it for months and months.

Wasn't Gump's fault though because no one does reporting anymore just speculation. In fact if you go back a page you see tweets (not even printed journalism anymore) of pure 100% speculation being turned into 'facts' to 'prove' people wrong about if the Jets are going to trade him.