Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[Confucius]

Trouba value is lower then before and it isn't rising. At best it stays the same which is still unlikely because of more games lost for this season from a team trading for him.

No he isn't just like he didn't with Kane he would of got a better deal if he had traded Kane earlier just like Trouba.

Since there is less value this season because of diminishing games maybe it's best to wait until the summer when there is a full season once again.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Since there is less value this season because of diminishing games maybe it's best to wait until the summer when there is a full season once again.

He will be older by then with a season off from NHL hockey if he doesn't sign and play if he does sign and play he will then be older with less time before being a UFA. Trouba value ain't getting better by time passing.

 

[Confucius]

He will be older by then with a season off from NHL hockey. His value won't get better then.

He's young, im sure he'll keep himself fit. Another year of maturity would only increase his value

 

[Riptide]

Sure they can. All it takes is refusing to sign him to any thing less.
Him wanting short term is right up there with his holding out in the 1st place.

Enjoy Europe Jacob. Further from daddy & the girlfriend while making less $s.

You made your bed. Sleep well in it.

Seriously?

Do you really think that benefits Winnipeg?

 

[Riptide]

All three options are what you think have happened or could happen, of course all heavily slanted to the agenda you are trying to present which is that Trouba is losing value every minute, so the Jets should panic and trade him.

Objectively however, when you look at it, Chevy is doing exactly the best thing for the team.

I guess that's why they say "If you GM like a fan, you'll end up being one."

Do you really think that his value today is the same as it was in June/July? Or that his value if he doesn't sign a contract will be the same in June 2017 as it was last June? You seriously cannot be that naive.

 

[haveandare]

He's young, im sure he'll keep himself fit. Another year of maturity would only increase his value

There's a difference between being fit and being in peak physical and mental shape to play NHL hockey. Not playing top level hockey doesn't keep you ready to play NHL hockey.

Another year of maturity as a person? It won't be as a player since he won't be playing. Whatever team gets him will miss a year of his prime and will likely consider that his ceiling is a bit lower after missing a key development year

 

[Snowman]

They'd also be doing themselves a favor, but I guess you prefer shooting yourself in the foot if it means punishing Trouba. That's just such a great business decision.

Okay then, tell me how a short term contract benefits the Jets? It puts another deadline on trading him, if we don't trade him, we have to negotiate with his agent again in a shorter period of time and it doesn't lift any of the restrictions Trouba has placed on the Jets trading partners.

So, tell me how this is a great business decision for the Jets.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Okay then, tell me how a short term contract benefits the Jets? It puts another deadline on trading him, if we don't trade him, we have to negotiate with his agent again in a shorter period of time and it doesn't lift any of the restrictions Trouba has placed on the Jets trading partners.

So, tell me how this is a great business decision for the Jets.

More time to trade him without him missing NHL action if he signs and plays on a short term deal compared to him holding out and missing a full season. If after a few years you still haven't traded him how unhappy do you think he will be either way?

 

[nyr__1994]

Okay then, tell me how a short term contract benefits the Jets? It puts another deadline on trading him, if we don't trade him, we have to negotiate with his agent again in a shorter period of time and it doesn't lift any of the restrictions Trouba has placed on the Jets trading partners.


So, tell me how this is a great business decision for the Jets.

Hear me out - Trouba signs your 6 year 5.5 mil contract. Comes back and waits patiently for his trade. Three months go by and no deal. He gets pissed, starts playing like hot garbage, and because Chevy now has to set another precedent that players that sign contracts with Winnipeg have to stay inWinnipeg for the duration of the deal, he is now stuck with a 5.5 million dollar boat anchor and it is now time to re-sign all of these amazing prospects that are afraid to even mention anything other than what the Jets are offering for contracts because of the great lesson that Chevy taught Trouba. However, there is not enough cap space and Trouba has absolutely killed his trade value.

So instead of getting a decent return The new GM (you think he still has a job) gets a 2nd round pick and career AHLer to free up the cap space.

Now is that likely to happen? No, is it possible? As slow as Chevy moves, yes.

 

[SCP Guy]

Hear me out - Trouba signs your 6 year 5.5 mil contract. Comes back and waits patiently for his trade. Three months go by and no deal. He gets pissed, starts playing like hot garbage, and because Chevy now has to set another precedent that players that sign contracts with Winnipeg have to stay inWinnipeg for the duration of the deal, he is now stuck with a 5.5 million dollar boat anchor and it is now time to re-sign all of these amazing prospects that are afraid to even mention anything other than what the Jets are offering for contracts because of the great lesson that Chevy taught Trouba. However, there is not enough cap space and Trouba has absolutely killed his trade value.

So instead of getting a decent return The new GM (you think he still has a job) gets a 2nd round pick and career AHLer to free up the cap space.

Now is that likely to happen? No, is it possible? As slow as Chevy moves, yes.

How does that saying go?

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts......

Hear me out... What if he signs and we go on a run and win cup after cup after cup... Chevy becomes the king of Manitoba and we all win magic carpets?

See that works both ways wow

 

[Snowman]

How does that give him "more" leverage? The second he signs a contract, he can be traded to any team in the league, and there's nothing he can do about it. Right now he can (at least in theory) "nix" a trade because he doesn't want to sign in Toronto or wherever. That's all the leverage he has. Once a contract is in place, that's gone.

Additionally, him happy, means as long as he's on your team and playing for you, the better player he'll be on and off the ice. Considering how young WPG is, that has it's own benefits and advantages.

It's not rocket science - or at least it shouldn't be.

I was going on the premise that Trouba would only sign a short term contract based on an agreement that he could only be traded to certain places which is his goal. If he was indeed stupid enough to sign a short term deal with no restrictions that would work out great for the Jets and terrible for Trouba.

So, he wouldn't sign a contract that gives the Jets carte blanche on where he is traded, just like he won't sign an offer sheet. It's just very unlikely Trouba would give in and sign a contract like that completely negating his hold-out and the Jets won't sign him short term unless he has no restrictions.

 

[Riptide]

Okay then, tell me how a short term contract benefits the Jets? It puts another deadline on trading him, if we don't trade him, we have to negotiate with his agent again in a shorter period of time and it doesn't lift any of the restrictions Trouba has placed on the Jets trading partners.

So, tell me how this is a great business decision for the Jets.

Already done, but apparently it needs to be posted twice for it to get through to you, so here you go.

And I'm curious... what restrictions are there for trades for someone who's under contract and who doesn't have any sort of no trade/no move clauses? I think you're a little confused about how the NHL and SPC's work.

So, you're suggesting the Jets do Trouba a favor and sign him to a short term contract to make him happy and give him more leverage? You'd make a great GM.

How does that give him "more" leverage? The second he signs a contract, he can be traded to any team in the league, and there's nothing he can do about it. Right now he can (at least in theory) "nix" a trade because he doesn't want to sign in Toronto or wherever. That's all the leverage he has. Once a contract is in place, that's gone.

Additionally, him happy, means as long as he's on your team and playing for you, the better player he'll be on and off the ice. Considering how young WPG is, that has it's own benefits and advantages.

It's not rocket science - or at least it shouldn't be.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I was going on the premise that Trouba would only sign a short term contract based on an agreement that he could only be traded to certain places which is his goal. If he was indeed stupid enough to sign a short term deal with no restrictions that would work out great for the Jets and terrible for Trouba.

So, he wouldn't sign a contract that gives the Jets carte blanche on where he is traded, just like he won't sign an offer sheet. It's just very unlikely Trouba would give in and sign a contract like that completely negating his hold-out and the Jets won't sign him short term unless he has no restrictions.

A player like Trouba won't be able to have a NMC or NTC yet he would have to count of Jets word which is good for nothing to Trouba I would bet also how long would it take for a trade to happen if he accepted the word?

 

[Snowman]

Are you suggesting Trouba sign a long term deal to make them happy and give them more leverage?

Yup, exactly... if he wants to play in the NHL. He has two choices, sign a contract that the Jets are happy with or don't play in the NHL.

So, the Jets don't really need more leverage. They have more than enough.

 

[Riptide]

I was going on the premise that Trouba would only sign a short term contract based on an agreement that he could only be traded to certain places which is his goal. If he was indeed stupid enough to sign a short term deal with no restrictions that would work out great for the Jets and terrible for Trouba.

So, he wouldn't sign a contract that gives the Jets carte blanche on where he is traded, just like he won't sign an offer sheet. It's just very unlikely Trouba would give in and sign a contract like that completely negating his hold-out and the Jets won't sign him short term unless he has no restrictions.

He can't put any restrictions on a contract. He hasn't earned the right to have a NMC/NTC (and won't for another 4 years), and anything verbally said isn't binding (it's also against the CBA). Which means Chevy can say pretty much anything. If he's being honest he'll probably say he'll try his best to accommodate him, but can't guarantee anything.

He's almost certainly going to sign a short contract in the next 3 weeks if he's not traded first. The odds of him missing a season are remote. Even though he can make decent cash in Europe, he'll still come up short of what he can make in a partial season in the NHL.

I still stand by what I said before that he will not sign a long term deal (4+ years) unless WPG promises they already have a trade in place (and even then I'd seriously doubt it). But a short term contract? That's in his best interests - or at least certainly a lot better than not playing, losing a year of NHL income and still owing WPG 4 years.

 

[Riptide]

Yup, exactly... if he wants to play in the NHL. He has two choices, sign a contract that the Jets are happy with or don't play in the NHL.

So, the Jets don't really need more leverage. They have more than enough.

Wait until that one gets out. "Here player, you must sign a 6+ year contract or you won't play in the NHL for 5 more years." Yeah I'm sure that would go over great with other young players, college kids and prospects. You want to see NCAA prospects and drafted players pull a Wheeler/Schultz/Vesey or an Erixon? Just do that. It would be hilarious. You think Jet fans are upset now... wait until the impact of doing something that ****** was made public.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Yup, exactly... if he wants to play in the NHL. He has two choices, sign a contract that the Jets are happy with or don't play in the NHL.

So, the Jets don't really need more leverage. They have more than enough.

If Trouba would sign a short term deal and Jets say no and cost him a season well that would be bad for the Jets. Seems to me its all about exactly what the Jets want and nothing else and ignoring how it looks to the outside.

 

[SCP Guy]

If Trouba would sign a short term deal and Jets say no and cost him a season well that would be bad for the Jets. Seems to me its all about exactly what the Jets want and nothing else and ignoring how it looks to the outside.

Oh you mean the offers the Trouba camp won't even talk about? How can you negotiate a short or long term deal when one of the parties refuses? And here is a hint the party is not the jets

 

[Snowman]

Teams are DYING for young, good RHD....just ask Edmonton. You would think lots of teams would be making offers in a effort to not see him go to a competitor.

Him siting all year won't increase his value....but could lower it.

So, if teams are DYING for good, young RHD... why would his value drop. Is someone going to create a bunch of RHD's next year?

As Archie Bunker would say: "You've painted yourself into a corner and thrown away the key"

 

[cneely]

WPG could have moved him pretty quickly between May and now, but choose not to, so why would Trouba think something has suddenly changed? If I were him, there's no way in hell I'd sign a deal there unless A) it's a short one and/or B) the plan was to dog **** it and just burn a year of his RFA status (unless traded).

You understand my point about him not being signed?

 

[Ducks in a row]

Oh you mean the offers the Trouba camp won't even talk about? How can you negotiate a short or long term deal when one of the parties refuses? And here is a hint the party is not the jets

He doesn't want to sign but if he caves into signing but will only do a short term deal if Jets refuse say long term or no costing him season of play then Jets will look very bad to the outside.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

This is exactly the issue. The craziest part is that it might not just be the fans, the GM himself might have the same thought process despite his job literally being to improve the team.

Not only that, but he has the unwavering support of the fanbase if HF is any indication. Winnipeg could lose every game from here on out and get a 7th for Trouba after sitting out the entire season, but we'd never hear the end of "development year", "build through the draft" and "Chevy sure taught him a lesson LOL!!1!!".

So long as Kev's on it, that franchise is in trouble. Being 2 games below 0.500 and on pace to miss the playoffs again with the kind of roster he has is unacceptable.

 

[Riptide]

He doesn't want to sign but if he caves into signing but will only do a short term deal if Jets refuse say long term or no costing him season of play then Jets will look very bad to the outside.

Yep. There's no way that wouldn't have an impact on other young kids.

 

[Snowman]

Already done, but apparently it needs to be posted twice for it to get through to you, so here you go.

And I'm curious... what restrictions are there for trades for someone who's under contract and who doesn't have any sort of no trade/no move clauses? I think you're a little confused about how the NHL and SPC's work.

No, you seem confused actually. So, you're saying Trouba is going to throw away the whole reason he held out and sign a short-term contract with no restrictions on where he gets traded to. That would probably work out great for the Jets, not so much for Trouba.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Yep. There's no way that wouldn't have an impact on other young kids.

It's akin to getting into a fight with a gunman when you have only a butterknife at hand. Yeah, you might inflict some damage and win the day, but the odds are you're going to end up taking the worst of it.

Chevy and the Jets fanbase needs to learn that sometimes players just don't want to play in your city/province/country. It's a concern all professional sports teams face- even the best ones- and shouldn't be seen as a slight... never mind a personal affront that demands sewering your own team's chance at success just to drive home a point.