Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[haveandare]

I think it's time to come to the conclusion that most Jets fans don't care about improving their team, but would rather punish Trouba. He hurt their feelings...

This is exactly the issue. The craziest part is that it might not just be the fans, the GM himself might have the same thought process despite his job literally being to improve the team.

 

[Snowman]

Good luck with that. You might get lucky and win lottery once, but making future decisions based off of "we'll win again" is completely silly.

So, instead we should adopt your strategy and trade him for whatever we can get. Yup, that's how winners are made.

 

[zetajerk]

I think it's time to come to the conclusion that most Jets fans don't care about improving their team, but would rather punish Trouba. He hurt their feelings...

It's crazy. And the moment anyone suggests Winnipeg is less than Candyland, it's fingers in the ears and "LALALALALA."

 

[Riptide]

So, instead we should adopt your strategy and trade him for whatever we can get. Yup, that's how winners are made.

Oh there's so much one could post with a reply like the above...

 

[Ducks in a row]

So, instead we should adopt your strategy and trade him for whatever we can get. Yup, that's how winners are made.

Winners are not made by refusing to trade a player who can cause a bad locker room. Jets waited too long to trade Kane don't make the same mistake with Trouba (not that I think Trouba will be as bad in the locker room as Kane but it still won't be good having a unhappy Trouba who wants out around)

 

[Confucius]

This is exactly the issue. The craziest part is that it might not just be the fans, the GM himself might have the same thought process despite his job literally being to improve the team.

Teams have to stand their ground just like the Lightning did.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Drouin had a contract, trouba doesn't.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Drouin had a contract, trouba doesn't.

Also Trouba doesn't seem to want to play in Canada wanting to play in his home country Drouin didn't have that problem.

 

[Snowman]

Why do you care so much if he does himself favors by going overseas?

He's already proven that he is willing to sit out. He's already proven that he is ok to do damage to his career just by causing all this drama. He's also willing to miss out on a few paychecks.

Going to europe may not be in his best interest, but he might not care. He obviously doesn't seem to care about the damage he's already doing to his trade value. This is exactly why it's the GM's job to find a solution that is best for the team.

Wait a minute, that goes against everything you've been saying. For the last 10 pages you've been advocating that Chevy trade Trouba for whatever he can get, now you're saying he has to do what's best or the team.

You do understand those are completely contradictory don't you?

 

[Confucius]

Also Trouba doesn't seem to want to play in Canada wanting to play in his home country Drouin didn't have that problem.

Ahh poor boy

 

[Flyerfan52]

He can make money overseas or with whatever team trades for him - Winnipeg doesn't have a monopoly here. Not to mention he makes money even if he signs a short term contract with WPG. All that does however is ensure that he's not staying in WPG past his FA years if he doesn't want to. All he needs to do is make it past this season and he gets arbitration rights, which means a series of 1/2 year contracts until he's a FA and can leave (assuming WPG hasn't traded his ass first). Which, considering how Chevy handled Kane, is a very smart move on his part.

Winnipeg can't force him into a multi year contract.

Sure they can. All it takes is refusing to sign him to any thing less.
Him wanting short term is right up there with his holding out in the 1st place.

Enjoy Europe Jacob. Further from daddy & the girlfriend while making less $s.

You made your bed. Sleep well in it.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Ahh poor boy

So you don't feel anything at all for Trouba wanting to play in his home country except that

 

[Confucius]

So you don't feel anything at all for Trouba wanting to play in his home country except that

He gets as much sympathy as draft picks who can't just play for their favourite team.

 

[nyr__1994]

Wait a minute, that goes against everything you've been saying. For the last 10 pages you've been advocating that Chevy trade Trouba for whatever he can get, now you're saying he has to do what's best or the team.

You do understand those are completely contradictory don't you?

Not necessarily. He is saying that the best thing for the Jets is to move Trouba for the best return possible.

See...this is a very grey situation so you can't take a black or white stance...

 

[Ducks in a row]

Sure they can. All it takes is refusing to sign him to any thing less.
Him wanting short term is right up there with his holding out in the 1st place.

Enjoy Europe Jacob. Further from daddy & the girlfriend while making less $s.

You made your bed. Sleep well in it.

Wanting a short term deal is totally different then holding out trying to get traded. When players want a short term deal you don't see the hate from fans like Trouba is getting.

 

[Ducks in a row]

He gets as much sympathy as draft picks who can't just play for their favourite team.

Country vs. favorite team are different things. I can sympathize easily with someone not wanting to live in another country.

 

[Confucius]

Country vs. favorite team are different things. I can sympathize easily with someone not wanting to live in another country.

If you'd be alright with all draft picks having that same right, I'll agree with you

 

[wintersej]

Teams have to stand their ground just like the Lightning did.

The Lightning gave in to Drouin's original demand and gave him playing time. And he made them look like asshats for not giving him playing time sooner. They repaired the relationship and moved on. Totally different situation.

 

[wintersej]

If you'd be alright with all draft picks having that same right, I'll agree with you

I mean they do. They can sit out like Trouba is and not sign a contract. Eventually, the team's rights expire. Blake Wheeler did this. Often, a drafted player will make it known they are not super interested before the draft, though, because no employer should want an employee that doesn't want to be there. Apparently, Connor did this with Boston according to the Boston board "insiders".

 

[Confucius]

I mean they do. They can sit out like Trouba is and not sign a contract. Eventually, the team's rights expire. Blake Wheeler did this. Often, a drafted player will make it known they are not super interested before the draft, though, because no employer should want an employee that doesn't want to be there. Apparently, Connor did this with Boston according to the Boston board "insiders".

Well it will be interesting to see how it works out then. Other players may take their cue from this. It may be just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Ducks in a row]

If you'd be alright with all draft picks having that same right, I'll agree with you

Sure I have no problem with a player not signing a contract. Ducks have had that problem before but it was worse because we lost a player we drafted for nothing when we though he would sign with us after college but didn't let us know he wasn't going to at least with Trouba Jets can get something from trading him. The Schultz situation I hated.

 

[Snowman]

Option 1
Trading a unhappy player for a nice return (of which I am sure Jets have gotten) and ending this saga and no chance for Trouba to send bad vides to his team that can negatively effect them.

Option 2
Getting the player to eventually cave and sign but be unhappy sending bad vibes that can negatively effect your team that has a lot of young players while never gaining full value on Trouba because it is know he doesn't want to be there because I am trying to gain full value on someone that won't regain full value.

Option 3
Risk that Trouba doesn't sign tanking his value further and be known as a team that has been involved in a situation similar to Lindros that stopped a young player from playing in the NHL in a season all because of I don't want to trade someone who doesn't want to be here because I am trying to gain full value on someone that won't regain full value.

What is more valuable?

All three options are what you think have happened or could happen, of course all heavily slanted to the agenda you are trying to present which is that Trouba is losing value every minute, so the Jets should panic and trade him.

Objectively however, when you look at it, Chevy is doing exactly the best thing for the team.

I guess that's why they say "If you GM like a fan, you'll end up being one."

 

[Ducks in a row]

All three options are what you think have happened or could happen, of course all heavily slanted to the agenda you are trying to present which is that Trouba is losing value every minute, so the Jets should panic and trade him.

Objectively however, when you look at it, Chevy is doing exactly the best thing for the team.

I guess that's why they say "If you GM like a fan, you'll end up being one."

Trouba value is lower then before and it isn't rising. At best it stays the same which is still unlikely because of more games lost for this season from a team trading for him.

No he isn't just like he didn't with Kane he would of got a better deal if he had traded Kane earlier just like Trouba.

 

[Confucius]

Sure I have no problem with a player not signing a contract. Ducks have had that problem before but it was worse because we lost a player we drafted for nothing when we though he would sign with us after college but didn't let us know he wasn't going to at least with Trouba Jets can get something from trading him. The Schultz situation I hated.

Alright the no signing is one thing but you also have to accommodate the player by trading him for whatever you can get. That's best offer whether you think it's fair or not.

Let's get it in the CBA

 

[Alluckks]

Something is only worth as much as others are willing to pay for it. Do you think that market is defined for Trouba? How much do you think it will increase by the last day of November? How much does it increase if he has a bridge contract?