Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[mondo3]

Its not so much that Trouba is a problem child, its that Overcooked is a real problem agent that no GM wants to have to deal with anymore.

Maybe he will have to be traded for another Over client (to keep each teams issues equal)

 

[lomiller1]

the Rangers are 2 years older than the Jets on average (or rather 1.9 to be exact):

http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2014/10/2014-15-nhl-teams-by-height-weight-and.html

A pretty significant gap really as the Rangers are the third oldest team and the Jets are the 4th youngest.

Oops, just noticed the date on that. Looking for more recent numbers

Here's 16 / 17.

Seems you're absolutely right. Surprising to me.

http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2014/10/2014-15-nhl-teams-by-height-weight-and.html

apologies. As you were, lol.

I believe your link is still wrong. You wanted
http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2016/10/2016-17-nhl-teams-by-height-weight-and.html
However, Mirtle’s numbers on the Jets are not correct. Their initial 23 man roster averaged 25.7 not 26.4. They have iced lineups as young as 25.0 and at first glance may even drop below that for tonight’s game.

 

[CaptainChef]

I agree with you 100% on the bolded. That is why you can't take anything reported in the media as fact at this point. It is all smoke and mirrors.

I think that the most likely, and best for all parties outcome is Trouba will be traded at the Dec 1st deadline for the best return that Chevy can get. Everything that leaks out before then is simply him posturing and angling to get the best possible return.

He is playing poker with a very good hand, and now just has to make the correct moves to maximize his return and hope the teams he is playing against don't catch their card on the river.

That's one of the best analogies I've seen lol -- from a non-Jets poster no less.

 

[haveandare]

That response is the appropriate one. Not all teams are reliant upon an aging goalie. As an aside, what exactly is Lundqvist the King of anyway? He hasn't won any Stanley Cups.

The Rangers are .5 years older on average and have 3 rookies in their everyday lineup. Somehow, they make it work many, many times better. Maybe that response isn't so appropriate.

Hank has had two great games this year, one of which his team was up 5-0 by the end of the second and his shutout was not at all necessary to win. Also the NYR offense has been pretty solid in terms of goals per game the past 3 years or so.

Maybe the WPG GM running his team on "principles" at a glacial pace is a factor more than average age and number of rookies.

 

[JetsHomer]

The Rangers are .5 years older on average and have 3 rookies in their everyday lineup. Somehow, they make it work many, many times better. Maybe that response isn't so appropriate.

Hank has had two great games this year, one of which his team was up 5-0 by the end of the second and his shutout was not at all necessary to win. Also the NYR offense has been pretty solid in terms of goals per game the past 3 years or so.

Maybe the WPG GM running his team on "principles" at a glacial pace is a factor more than average age and number of rookies.

You are aware that the Jets are 1 win out of a playoff spot, right? You don't seem aware of the standings very much in your posts

 

[Whileee]

I believe your link is still wrong. You wanted
http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2016/10/2016-17-nhl-teams-by-height-weight-and.html
However, Mirtle’s numbers on the Jets are not correct. Their initial 23 man roster averaged 25.7 not 26.4. They have iced lineups as young as 25.0 and at first glance may even drop below that for tonight’s game.

Jets line-up tonight averages 24 years old, with 5 rookies and 4 sophomores. Thorburn and Stuart are older players that are not regulars this season. Injured vets are replaced by rookies or sophomores. Anyone who doesn't think that the Jets are still treating this as a development season just aren't paying attention.

 

[Blue Goose]

It seems like finding a similar-aged LHD in return - and a team willing to give that up - is going to prove difficult. Assuming PHI is on Trouba's accepted list of places to go, I wonder if the Jets would be interested in some sort of package in which Travis Sanheim is the centerpiece coming back. Flyers would have to find the cap room but in Sanheim the Jets would get an expansion-exempt LHD with loads of talent (from Manitoba, no less!), who should be a full-time NHLer right when Enstrom's contract expires. Could/would both teams be interested? Just a thought...

 

[wintersej]

Its not so much that Trouba is a problem child, its that Overcooked is a real problem agent that no GM wants to have to deal with anymore.

Ah! So its Overhardt that wants Trouba to leave WPG and move to the US. Got it!

 

[Stej]

It seems like finding a similar-aged LHD in return - and a team willing to give that up - is going to prove difficult. Assuming PHI is on Trouba's accepted list of places to go, I wonder if the Jets would be interested in some sort of package in which Travis Sanheim is the centerpiece coming back. Flyers would have to find the cap room but in Sanheim the Jets would get an expansion-exempt LHD with loads of talent (from Manitoba, no less!), who should be a full-time NHLer right when Enstrom's contract expires. Could/would both teams be interested? Just a thought...

I think this could have legs. The sticky part will be determining the plus that would have to be added.

 

[nyr__1994]

It seems like finding a similar-aged LHD in return - and a team willing to give that up - is going to prove difficult. Assuming PHI is on Trouba's accepted list of places to go, I wonder if the Jets would be interested in some sort of package in which Travis Sanheim is the centerpiece coming back. Flyers would have to find the cap room but in Sanheim the Jets would get an expansion-exempt LHD with loads of talent (from Manitoba, no less!), who should be a full-time NHLer right when Enstrom's contract expires. Could/would both teams be interested? Just a thought...

Only problem with sending Trouba to the Flyers is, the Flyers are already over the cap and have to figure out how to get back under it once MDZ and a couple other players return from LTIR. Adding another 5 mil on top of that is going to be pretty difficult.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

It's not 31 teams. According to Jets fans, you can eliminate:
Toronto
Montreal
Vancouver
Ottawa
Winnipeg
Edmonton
Calgary

Lets face it, when it comes to teams that may part with the pieces (and Trouba would agree to sign with), you are pretty much down to the Wings and Rangers.

True about the Canadian teams. I somewhat disagree about the rest of it. By next summer many things can change. The Jets ask, what other teams have to offer etc...
Some rookie, sophomore players may develop so much that a team may be ok to move a key player at that point because they need to make room for their own prospects or someone they acquired at the trade deadline.

 

[lomiller1]

The Rangers are .5 years older on average and have 3 rookies in their everyday lineup.

Those 3 rookies are 21, 22 and 23 respectively. The Rangers do have 2 more 23 year old non-rookies as well.

By comparison, tonight the Jets roster will include players who are 18, 19 and 20. It will have 10 players 23 or under and the average age of the 20 man roster will be 24.2 years old.

 

[Thai jet*]

You are aware that the Jets are 1 win out of a playoff spot, right? You don't seem aware of the standings very much in your posts

Their record projects to 16 games below .500 over the season. You think that is good?

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Players dont usually demand a trade/wount sign with the team that has their rights. If he doesnt wanna play and Winnipig and has sad he will never sign with them again, wouldnt be in the best interest of everyone to just get this done? Pretty sure they would get a great return, might just have to take LH that is a little younger and as good and get a solid add to that. I understand the situation for your gm but if Trouba isnt going to sign with Jets, why dont just get it out of the way and move on. Worked pretty well with the Evander Kane trade. Jets won that one by far! Got Myers, stafford and some great prospects for Kane and bogosian. Highway robbery! No clue what the Sabres GM was thinking with though....

When it comes to it this may be the best bet... but for now it's all still just a standoff. I don't believe anything coming from Trouba's agent. I don't think anything will happen until much closer to the Dec-1st deadline. The problem is everyone has read the "Art of War" and for the same reason that every CBA negotiation will never get signed in time this won't happen early either.
If the Jets determine that they just can't get proper value for Trouba then they won't trade him. He can't play in the NHL until this is resolved and I don't know what could possibly be worth throwing your career away. Trouba is one of MANY players on the team. This hurts the Jets but hurts Jacob MUCH more. (there's only one of him)

Chevy won't operate under any timeline other than his own and why should he.

 

[JetsHomer]

Their record projects to 16 games below .500 over the season. You think that is good?

I never said the Jets were good.

Lucky for them this year, the West is mostly pretty bad. Their terrible start has not sunk them yet though, a 2 game win streak and they are right back in it. I don't see them being out of the playoff fight by December 1st, and if they don't need the return for Trouba this year, would it not be smarter to get him signed to a deal and increase his trade value?

 

[CaptainChef]

It seems like finding a similar-aged LHD in return - and a team willing to give that up - is going to prove difficult. Assuming PHI is on Trouba's accepted list of places to go, I wonder if the Jets would be interested in some sort of package in which Travis Sanheim is the centerpiece coming back. Flyers would have to find the cap room but in Sanheim the Jets would get an expansion-exempt LHD with loads of talent (from Manitoba, no less!), who should be a full-time NHLer right when Enstrom's contract expires. Could/would both teams be interested? Just a thought...

For sure, that's a very promising starting piece. Getting the cap room with out taking back a total nonstarter like MacDonald would be very difficult. Don't think there are any forwards we'd want to include, and not sure that a 35 year old Streit (if he waived his NMC) would be worth our while unless another defensive prospect was included to make it worth taking on the cap dump.

 

[lomiller1]

Jets line-up tonight averages 24 years old, with 5 rookies and 4 sophomores. Thorburn and Stuart are older players that are not regulars this season. Injured vets are replaced by rookies or sophomores. Anyone who doesn't think that the Jets are still treating this as a development season just aren't paying attention.

You beat be to it. Something else to consider when you look at tonight’s lineup is that if we had the following players available you’d be getting pretty close to what most HFJets posters think is ideal and it only adds 0.1 years to our average age.
Little 28 (injured) for Burmistov 25
Myers 26 (Injured) for Chiarot 25
Trouba 22 (holdout) for Melchiori 24


Realistically we’d need to find spots for Matthias and Stafford as well, but probably most would rather play the younger guys.

 

[Blue Goose]

I think this could have legs. The sticky part will be determining the plus that would have to be added.

Only problem with sending Trouba to the Flyers is, the Flyers are already over the cap and have to figure out how to get back under it once MDZ and a couple other players return from LTIR. Adding another 5 mil on top of that is going to be pretty difficult.

That's the tough part - which is why I'd imagine that Matt Read would have to be moved. I'm not sure there's another team that could take him with no $$ coming back to PHI, but would WPG be interested in him? I know they're loaded at forward, but Read can play either Wing and allow some of their younger players to continue developing in the AHL instead of being pushed into the NHL.

I saw earlier in the thread that Jets fans were saying that a bottom pair NHL d-man could be beneficial for depth, so what if Nick Schultz was included? He's UFA at season's end, and allows the cap room to make the deal from Philly's end.

PHI gets: Jacob Trouba (presumably $5M/yr)
WPG gets: Matt Read (2 yrs, $3.625M), Nick Schultz (1 yr, $2.25M), Travis Sanheim

Flyers will be about $1M over the cap when MDZ comes back. If they do this trade, sign Trouba for $5M and send AMac down to the AHL, they'll be compliant.

 

[CaptainChef]

Ah! So its Overhardt that wants Trouba to leave WPG and move to the US. Got it!

Said no such thing. Overcharge has a long history of doing exactly this sort of thing with many half decent players when their ELC expires. Its a reputation that GMs will definitely avoid at all costs.

 

[ffh]

he wont mind playing on the left side when his buddy bogo gets back from injury in buffalo. trade him for reinhart and a d prospect.

 

[ottawah]

Only problem with sending Trouba to the Flyers is, the Flyers are already over the cap and have to figure out how to get back under it once MDZ and a couple other players return from LTIR. Adding another 5 mil on top of that is going to be pretty difficult.

5 Mil is likely not close to what is required. Due to the penalty of signing late, the cost is already about +10% of AAV, and by Dec 1 will be +20%.

If he wants 5.5M and it happens Dec 1, that is a cap hit of 7.8M.

 

[Stej]

5 Mil is likely not close to what is required. Due to the penalty of signing late, the cost is already about +10% of AAV, and by Dec 1 will be +20%.

If he wants 5.5M and it happens Dec 1, that is a cap hit of 7.8M.

Go buy a new couch, Jacob. It'll be worth the investment!!

 

[CaptainChef]

That's the tough part - which is why I'd imagine that Matt Read would have to be moved. I'm not sure there's another team that could take him with no $$ coming back to PHI, but would WPG be interested in him? I know they're loaded at forward, but Read can play either Wing and allow some of their younger players to continue developing in the AHL instead of being pushed into the NHL.

I saw earlier in the thread that Jets fans were saying that a bottom pair NHL d-man could be beneficial for depth, so what if Nick Schultz was included? He's UFA at season's end, and allows the cap room to make the deal from Philly's end.

PHI gets: Jacob Trouba (presumably $5M/yr)
WPG gets: Matt Read (2 yrs, $3.625M), Nick Schultz (1 yr, $2.25M), Travis Sanheim

Flyers will be about $1M over the cap when MDZ comes back. If they do this trade, sign Trouba for $5M and send AMac down to the AHL, they'll be compliant.

Can't see it. Schultz and Read are so far down the list of our needs that one good prospect in the deal doesn't come close to getting Trouba.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Someone please wake me up when this is over.

Same here, Hopefully something gets done in the next 2-3 weeks or so, Both for Trouba and the Jets sake.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Looking at it from a NYR fan perspective would be "here take my crap for your much better player", that's not at all what I am saying.

I am fully on-board with Chevy getting a reasonable deal which is probably like ~80-85c on the $ at this point.

What I am saying is, strong arming the kid (assuming he is not traded before Dec and has to sit out the season) will have repercussions. Really think about what Trouba is telling people by doing that, he is willing to sacrifice TONS of money just not to play in WPG and have his rights belong to them. If Chevy goes down the road of forcing him to sit out - to me, that doesn't signal a "strong Organization I want to play for" if I was a collegiate FA for example.

You want to have winning culture and a culture players WANT to be a part of imo.

Accommodating the kid while getting quality value should be the goal. Not just maximizing value.

And many people will tell you that bending to the will of an RFA who wants to be treated differently then the CBA allows is also bad for the franchise. Likely worse. As a draft and develop team, resigning RFA's is a key part of any potential success we can have. If caving to Trouba leads to other RFA's doing this then that hurts the Jets and most other teams in the league more. Does Buffalo want Eichel walking, should Auston Matthews be allowed to walk to PHX at the end of his ELC? In many ways this is about more than just Trouba and the Jets.