The leafs MO is very clear. Build through the draft. Acquire young players if available. If you're getting a player like trouba, you're giving away something pretty decent. Lou will not make a lateral move for the sake of doing it. He's literally under zero pressure. He acquired a goalie that he really likes. And time will tell but if history is an indicator, Andersen should work out well.
Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V
- Thread starter Gardner McKay
- Start date
- Status
The leafs MO is very clear. Build through the draft. Acquire young players if available. If you're getting a player like trouba, you're giving away something pretty decent. Lou will not make a lateral move for the sake of doing it. He's literally under zero pressure. He acquired a goalie that he really likes. And time will tell but if history is an indicator, Andersen should work out well.
- Nov 24, 2006
- 8,479
- 15,798
Commitment doesn't have to mean contract. He has a legal commitment to the Jets until he hits UFA which I believe is age 27 in his case.
Number1RedWingsFan52
Registered User
True that he doesn't have a contract so he doesn't have a commitment to the team, But Chevy can still make him sit if he chooses and that's not good for Trouba's career either.
Okay not every client, But a few thrown in.
GoJetsGo55
Registered User
HockeyHead21
Registered User
They hold his rights. That's it. If he had a commitment to the Jets he wouldn't be allowed to play in another league.
Now you're splitting hairs. I'd say his desire to play in the khl on a scale of 1-100 is 4
GoJetsGo55
Registered User
Ahhhhh I see what you're saying now. You are correct.
However, in terms of the NHL, he is committed to the Jets as an RFA.
If I were the Jets, I would be trying to work a deal for Chychrun. This kid is 18 and playing for Tip, a coach who usually does not play or trust young guys. Chychrun has looked so good this year, an amazing story as the 15th pick. If he keeps playing this well, I would not trade him for Trouba as he might have more upside. Chychrun would be what the Jets are looking for though.
HockeyHead21
Registered User
I'm not splitting hairs. As of now, he does not have a commitment with the Jets. The person a few posts up said he legally does until he is 27. That's false or lawyers would be involved by now.
Does he want to play in Europe? Probably not. But he can if he chooses to do so.
He has no leverage in the NHL accept continuing to sit out and hope for a trade. Apparently to a team of his liking.
Does he want to play in Europe? Probably not. But he can if he chooses to do so.
He has no leverage in the NHL accept continuing to sit out and hope for a trade. Apparently to a team of his liking.
- Nov 24, 2006
- 8,479
- 15,798
Exactly. No need to get all technical to win a battle that doesn't exist.
He has a commitment to the Winnipeg Jets in the NHL unless they trade his rights. Still a commitment however you want or need to define it.
GoJetsGo55
Registered User
Is he going to go play in Europe until he's 27. No. That isn't happening.
So he will play in the NHL.
You seem to be under the impression that he can just go ahead and sign with whoever he wants without consequence.
He is not. The entire concept of RFA has gotten warped in recent years. RFA's are as it says in the name -Free Agents. They have no legal obligation to the team, and can sign with anyone they wish. The Restricted part of RFA has nothing to do with the player team relationship, it's a team -team thing, with two aspects-
Right of first refusal
Right to compensation
The often overlooked purpose of the Right to Compensation is to raise true cost of acquisition of that player to other teams, artificially lowering what they're willing to pay on the contract and depressing salaries for that entire age range relative to performance. IMO having both mechanisms is overkill against the spirit of rfa and players should fight to have one removed (imo right of first refusal) but that's just me.
HockeyHead21
Registered User
I just said he probably doesn't want to play in Europe.
That's not the impression I'm under and I'm unsure of how you gathered that from "He has no leverage in the NHL accept continuing to sit out and hope for a trade. Apparently to a team of his liking."
Did the "Apparently to a team of his liking" throw you off? What I mean is, he doesn't want to play for the Jets and rumors of him nixing all Canadian teams.
I 100% understand what his options of playing in the NHL are. He has zero leverage...like I said earlier.
The jets have offered a qualifying offer to trouba and that is them expressing interest in the player. If someone offer sheets him, they still have the right of first refusal. The player has the option to accept the qualifying offer. Not sure why you're mentioning any of this. The answer is always the same. Jets own him. Period
People also don't understand the concept of good faith. I'm sure the Jets would've had no issue with his trade request if he signed and kept playing. By holding out when money isn't the issue and going public with the trade request, Trouba is playing chicken with his own career. Yet some especially delusional people think this makes the Jets look bad for not honoring his request.
RFA under the current CBA is somewhat broken because there's nothing to cover cases like this, nor situations where the team is really lowballing the player (because of the rarity of offer sheets). It only works because in most cases players understand how things work, that the RFA system effectively ties your fate to the team, so if you act like Trouba, there's a very real risk of missing a year. Teams also understand that they can't under pay RFA years too much or they risk ruining the relationship with the player. Usually mutually-ensured damage (the player missing paychecks, the team missing a good player) is enough motivation for two sides to work together such that everyone wins, but Trouba is clearly betting the other side folds first, takes lesser value and he gets more (a quicker trade than if he signed, played and waited for his request until the Jets were able to make a reasonable trade).
He's legally within his rights but it doesn't mean it's a good plan. Tanking your own value to force a trade is extremely risky. Unless the return is fair value, I hope he misses the year and this crap is dealt with in the next cba, with teams getting option years at the end of ELCs.
I agree, both clauses restrict movement. When was the last time an RFA signed an offer sheet and changed teams? RFA is really just window dressing.The NHLPA sacrificed RFA rights in exchange for UFA rights. RFA's have few rights and the only real way out for an elite RFA is the path Trouba is taking.
GoJetsGo55
Registered User
GoJetsGo55
Registered User
He is a Free Agent who can sign with whichever team he pleases....that is correct.
However...the Jets can match that offer and then he's still with the Jets organization.
The Jets can choose to not match and receive compensation.
All of that is because he is currently under the Winnipeg Jets umbrella.
Also, if you remove the right to compensation, teams can lose players for nothing....that makes little sense to me.
Hmm, what exactly is -- not -- a position of need for Winnipeg?
This is somewhat how I would rank them:
Between the pipes -- 30
LD- 25-30? Enström is getting older and is past his prime, Morrisey is ok as a youngster, but that left side is just weak...
RD- 20-25? Mobility must be a huge concern given the speed we are seeing in this league right now. If the LDs could make up for it, it would be one thing, but the balance is far from great at this point.
LW- Kind of meaningless to rank considering the potential is great, and no need for upgrades. OTOH, Connor looks a little weak for the NHL so far, a bit of a tweaner, even if he improves, is he really a good fit behind Laine and Ehlers?
C- 8-14?
RW- 25-30? //Wheeler can make fantastic plays, but not much of a factor overall. Or like, very good player, but not great. After him the RW depth chart must be the weakest in the league or among the weakest at least.
The Farm
There are a good number of B-C tier prospects on the farm (not looking at the kids in the NHL), but I just don't know. It doesn't feel like they will get any immediate substantial help from the farm the coming years, or am I missing someone? All the while, Winnipeg is currently build on a core that is getting up there in age. Wheeler, Enström, Buff and co. As kids come in, these guys will get worse. Or what do you think? Do you think I am mis-rating any area of Winnipeg's roster or farm?
From my point of view, Winnipeg basically need help all over. Even at center, not overly sold on Little/Perrault as 2-3 centers on a contender. Scheleife is great, but is he the next Backes or the next Toews if you get what I mean? And like, its really really really tough in this league to go from being on the outside looking in to becoming a contender. The great teams has so many advantages to start with, being able to give kids a good environment etc that Winnipeg and the likes never have been able to do. Like there is a reason for why that franchise never even have had an OK season in this league.
Last edited:
HockeyHead21
Registered User
HockeyHead21
Registered User
The argument that Trouba "doesn't owe anything to the Jets" is extremely disingenuous to the current structure of the CBA.
But if Trouba, his agent, his dad, or his dog want to play that card, then Chevy should let him rot for 5 years because, by that same logic, the Jets don't owe him anything either...
And, BOOM, under that scenario, Trouba is happy because he doesn't have to play in Canada.
But if Trouba, his agent, his dad, or his dog want to play that card, then Chevy should let him rot for 5 years because, by that same logic, the Jets don't owe him anything either...
And, BOOM, under that scenario, Trouba is happy because he doesn't have to play in Canada.
Last edited:
lomiller1
Registered User
- Jan 13, 2015
- 6,409
- 2,968
He has 4 years to UFA, as long as he plays a minimum number of games this year. If he doesn’t sign by Dec 1 he has to wait until he’s 27 to hit UFA, which is 5 years. This isn’t a legal commitment to the Jets. He can sit or play outside the NHL, but the CBA forbids him from signing with any other NHL team.
I am always a tad confused when people spew this notion of "commitment" but then champion their GM if and when he trades a "committed" player out of town and they like the return
when is a commitment actually honoured and once you break, can you ever really stand behind those words
when is a commitment actually honoured and once you break, can you ever really stand behind those words
- Status
