Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[aj8000]

It's what Kyle Turris did.

The current offer from the jets is a six year deal that equals his qualifying offer with tiered bonuses for performance to a maximum salary of 5 million to avoid such concerns of paying him to purposely play like crap.

 

[nyr__1994]

That would be your opinion. I believe it was Dreger that reported Cheveldayoff had received no offers that interested him, and Friedman is reporting the ask and also his expectation that nothing is imminent. "The sooner the better" is also not applicable if Chevy would now prefer to let him sit versus trading him for less than what he views to be Trouba's worth. That value BTW is not necessarily in line with what you may view to be the player's worth.

Well it is pretty obvious that if Chevy had an offer that interested him, Trouba would have been traded already.

This is a very complex situation and it sucks that Winnipeg has a player of Trouba's caliber that wants out. But this happens to teams all the time across all major sports. In a lot of cases we don't know about a trade request until after, or if at all. In this case the request had been made months ago, and the player and agent decided to go public as a negotiating tactic after giving Chevy what they felt was a reasonable amount of time to broker a deal.

Chevy has a premium asset that is currently at peak value. However, the interest is running and the value is declining. The big question is going to be how long is he going to be paying the interest and watch the value of his asset decline before he cashes it in.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Somebody will make a decent offer eventually. It might be a month from now but it will happen.

Well it kinda has to be, doesn't it?

I thought once December 1st hits, he has to sit out the year...?

Is this still true if he's traded? Or only if he's still on Winnipeg?

 

[aj8000]

Fowler has been our best player this year. We have absolutely no reason to trade him for Trouba. We had none before Lindholm signed. This goofy scenario where we trade something of value in order to get something of value to trade is and always will be the dumbest thing that gets proposed around these boards. The absolute dumbest thing. No one does this. If Anaheim decides to trade Fowler, then they'll trade him for something that they need, in a direct fashion. They don't need Winnipeg's help for that. If you want an LD, then I suggest offering something of need for one.

There will only be a deal between the jets and Ducks if the Jets are the only team that would be willing to help the Ducks with their cap issue. Really depends on two things, are ducks management Ok with the current salaries being paid in respect to the internal budget and what is the expected return of the two players on LTIR.

 

[aj8000]

Well it kinda has to be, doesn't it?

I thought once December 1st hits, he has to sit out the year...?

Is this still true if he's traded? Or only if he's still on Winnipeg?

If he is not signed by December 1, he cannot play this season for anyone

 

[Curufinwe]

Don't expect Despres to play again this season.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Yup all indications are that Jeff Gorton and the Rangers are all in on Jacob Trouba, I think that Trouba would be a perfect fit with the Rangers or maybe Bruins possibly Devils as well. Just depends on what kind of package they can do to entice Cheveldayoff. The same article suggested that Kurt Overhardt is only talking to American clubs on the behalf of his client. I think Trouba would be willing to pretty much play for any American team it just sounds like he doesn't want to play in Canada. If Overhardt tells Cheveldayoff that they're willing to do a deal based around any American team and just omit the Canadian teams. Chevelday should stil get decent trading maybe Arizona or Philly or Carolina quite a few teams have what Chevy would be seeking. Just depends if Philly with Sanheim or Carolina with Hanifin or Arizona with Chychrun are willing to move them.

Chychrun will be unreal imo. I dont see Arizona moving him, he is already looking incredible from the games ive seen him play this season. Hanifin kind of the same, both great talents. I actually think Chychrun will be one of the best defensemen in the NHL in 3-5 years. Sanheim is movable with Provorov and Ghost both beeing LH shots, but do Jets think Sanheim+ is better than for example MIller+Klein, Miller+first, Hayes+klein/first, Skjei+ etc? I have no clue what Jets really want back. They are actually pretty close to beeing a legit contender imo. Could need LH shot that is ready for top 4 minutes? Skjei is a young top 6, looks solid so far, probably ready for top 4 minutes with a good partner. Dont know if NYR has players that will really be good enough unless Jets would be ok with trouba for Miller/Skjei/Hayes+. I also am pretty sure that Gorton will try everything he can to make a deal without moving Skjei. We have tons of forwards, not very deep on defense and would be great for us to be able to keep Skjei if we are going for Trouba. All depends on what Chevy wants... Its not like Jets need forwards either, pretty stacked up front and alot of young prospects aswell. They have a bright future no matter what happens with Trouba.

 

[Exit Dose]

There will only be a deal between the jets and Ducks if the Jets are the only team that would be willing to help the Ducks with their cap issue. Really depends on two things, are ducks management Ok with the current salaries being paid in respect to the internal budget and what is the expected return of the two players on LTIR.

According to Bob Murray, they are. Also, judging by the grave tone of Bob Murray's message, it doesn't sound like Despres is expected to play any time soon. The last time Bob Murray talked that way about a player it was when Sheldon Souray suffered a career ending injury.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Well it kinda has to be, doesn't it?

I thought once December 1st hits, he has to sit out the year...?

Is this still true if he's traded? Or only if he's still on Winnipeg?

He has to sit if he isnt signed by December 1st even if he is traded. If he isnt signed by Dec 1st he isnt playing this season

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Well it kinda has to be, doesn't it?

I thought once December 1st hits, he has to sit out the year...?

Is this still true if he's traded? Or only if he's still on Winnipeg?

One would have to assume that one of the conditions of a trade would be that the team getting him would have agreed to a deal before consummating the trade, so if traded (before Dec 1) it's a safe assumption that he would sign with and play for that team.

 

[Seachd]

I guess as long as the Jets are prepared to play without him, the pressure will continue to mount on Trouba.

Probably better playing for the Jets than for no one.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

So apparently Dreger said that Trouba doesn't see the entire country of Canada as a fit!? This is getting stranger and stranger by the day. Either Trouba is an immature fool or his agent is a complete idiot. Either way, both of their reputations are tanking.

 

[aj8000]

I guess as long as the Jets are prepared to play without him, the pressure will continue to mount on Trouba.

Probably better playing for the Jets than for no one.

I think they are prepared to play without him. Just hope that Trouba has not pissed off Chipman or he may sit for a while. Just ask Mr Bowman what happens when you get on the wrong side of Chipman.

http://www.chrisd.ca/2015/02/04/mark-chipman-brian-bowman-true-north-square-mts-centre-winnipeg/


http://globalnews.ca/news/1965390/400m-true-north-square-back-on-track-after-mayor-chipman-meet/

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So apparently Dreger said that Trouba doesn't see the entire country of Canada as a fit!? This is getting stranger and stranger by the day. Either Trouba is an immature fool or his agent is a complete idiot. Either way, both of their reputations are tanking.

Trouba's dad is a marketing executive, And some have suggested that he might be trying to market his son in the States. If this is true then it makes a little more sense why Trouba wouldn't want to play in Canada. But it sounds like mere speculation right now.

 

[aj8000]

Trouba's dad is a marketing executive, And some have suggested that he might be trying to market his son in the States. If this is true then it makes a little more sense why Trouba wouldn't want to play in Canada. But it sounds like mere speculation right now.

I used to think that Logic would prevail, but I am not sure now.

 

[Pi]

Trouba's dad is a marketing executive, And some have suggested that he might be trying to market his son in the States. If this is true then it makes a little more sense why Trouba wouldn't want to play in Canada. But it sounds like mere speculation right now.

Trouba isn't a superstar. He can barely be classified as a star. He won't be marketed in Canada or the States.

If he's smart he should just go back and play for the Jets. I love what Chevy is doing...let him sit and make the decision to move him when you get what you want.

He's a good young player but like Drouin, he will realize that the team holds all the cards not the player at such a young age.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

So apparently Dreger said that Trouba doesn't see the entire country of Canada as a fit!? This is getting stranger and stranger by the day. Either Trouba is an immature fool or his agent is a complete idiot. Either way, both of their reputations are tanking.

Bobby Mac also reported this last night during intermission. I understand if a player doesn't want to play in a specific city, but the entire country? It's bizarre. And also makes your GM's job a hell of a lot harder.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Trouba's dad is a marketing executive, And some have suggested that he might be trying to market his son in the States. If this is true then it makes a little more sense why Trouba wouldn't want to play in Canada. But it sounds like mere speculation right now.

It's starting to look like his dad is a pretty crappy marketing executive then. IMO Jacob Trouba is not even close to a star, and he won't be. His career will likely be remembered as simply a very good defenseman, which almost all teams have. He's no Karlsson or Burns. Damn, he's not even Byfuglien. Wake up Jake.

 

[varano]

Errr this is getting out of hand for a thirty point dman

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

It's starting to look like his dad is a pretty crappy marketing executive then. IMO Jacob Trouba is not even close to a star, and he won't be. His career will likely be remembered as simply a very good defenseman, which almost all teams have. He's no Karlsson or Burns. Damn, he's not even Byfuglien. Wake up Jake.

Yeah it doesn't make sense at all, Trouba is nowhere close to being a star. He has potential #1 D man written all over him. He should at least stick with Winnipeg for four more years and at least honor his commitment to the organization. But with Overhardt as his agent i doubt that happens. Every client that Overhardt has had has done the exact same thing. Starting with Kyle Turris.

 

[Aceboogie]

I'm hoping Lamiorello moves on Trouba like a *****.

He's automatically attracted to talent, he just starts trading for them, it's like a magnet. Just trade. He doesn't even wait. And when you're Lou Lamiorello, they let you do it. You can do anything. Gardiner for Trouba. You can do anything.

Why havent they traded for anything good with Lou then? He hasnt seen anything he likes?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Bobby Mac also reported this last night during intermission. I understand if a player doesn't want to play in a specific city, but the entire country? It's bizarre. And also makes your GM's job a hell of a lot harder.

I know i agree that Trouba would be a perfect fit with both Toronto and Edmonton he would get top pairing RD minutes like he wants. I can't personally understand the entire Canada thing either. Not really sure what's going on here. They say that he doesn't have a thing against Winnipeg per say but it not sounding like that to me. It just sounds like he's a spoiled brat that only wants to play in the US right now. And as a RFA he should honor his commitment to the organization that drafted him Winnipeg. And then once he becomes a UFA in 4 years 9 months or so then he can dictate where he will play. But i don't see him doing that and in the mean time he's only hurting himself.

 

[Pi]

I know i agree that Trouba would be a perfect fit with both Toronto and Edmonton he would get top pairing RD minutes like he wants. I can't personally understand the entire Canada thing either. Not really sure what's going on here. They say that he doesn't have a thing against Winnipeg per say but it not sounding like that to me. It just sounds like he's a spoiled brat that only wants to play in the US right now. And as a RFA he should honor his commitment to the organization that drafted him Winnipeg. And then once he becomes a UFA in 4 years 9 months or so then he can dictate where he will play. But i don't see him doing that and in the mean time he's only hurting himself.

I love what Chevy has done so far. People here think he should just trade Trouba to the highest bidder because it helps his team win more games. We don't know that though. Winnipeg is a young team, they don't need the highest offer, they need an offer that makes sense for them.

If Trouba wants to play for another team, that's fine, but the team is in control and they will make the decision when the right offer comes along. If that is this year, great, if not, wait because I bet the offer they are getting right now will be available in the offseason as well.

 

[Maukkis]

Errr this is getting out of hand for a thirty point dman

And the worst thing is, people here blame the Jets fans and the organization for this show.

This is entirely on Trouba's camp. There's nothing Cheveldayoff, Maurice, the owners, teammates, heck, ANYONE could have done to scare Trouba away from Canada.

At this point, I seriously doubt that even Overhardt and Trouba's father don't know what Trouba really wants. Does Trouba know? Doubt it too.

 

[HockeyHead21]

Yeah it doesn't make sense at all, Trouba is nowhere close to being a star. He has potential #1 D man written all over him. He should at least stick with Winnipeg for four more years and at least honor his commitment to the organization. But with Overhardt as his agent i doubt that happens. Every client that Overhardt has had has done the exact same thing. Starting with Kyle Turris.

1) He doesn't have a commitment to the organization because he doesn't have a contract.

2) Really? Every client?