Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[Empoleon8771]

Maatta is a shell of the player he was initially projected to be; he appears to be damaged goods from afar - based upon his play. .

This is an overreaction to a few poor games. He has dealt with inconsistencies over the last year, but most of those are seriously overstated (some people act like he's playing like Rob Scuderi, which is way worse than what it actually is) and he played well in the WCoH and the cup finals last year. I just think he doesn't fit into Sullivan's system, he doesn't have the speed to work in Pittsburgh. He worked absolutely great in Bylsma's system, where offense came from defensemen moving the puck quickly and the forwards dumping the puck in, but not in a system that relies on skating to generate offense.

The issue with him in Sullivan's system is that Sullivan expects D to join the rush and be aggressive. Seeing how Maatta isn't a great skater, that leads to him either being caught behind the play on turnovers or him getting skated around by actual strong skaters (from being too aggressive, he wouldn't be skated around by playing conservative in this specific discussion). His bread and butter is slowing down the game and playing calculated, and that's not going to happen in Pittsburgh. That's exactly why Daley looks like a legitimate top pair defenseman for the Penguins and Letang is over a PPG defenseman under Sullivan, Sullivan's style fits those two perfectly.

 

[Gump Hasek]

.The issue with him in Sullivan's system is that Sullivan expects D to join the rush and be aggressive. Seeing how Maatta isn't a great skater, that leads to him either being caught behind the play on turnovers or him getting skated around by actual strong skaters (from being too aggressive, he wouldn't be skated around by playing conservative in this specific discussion).

Have never been much of a fan of Maatta's play, frankly. Considering that Paul Maurice activates his D as much as does any coach in the league, that makes Maatta quite a poor choice for the Jets; being able to skate well is also pretty much a prerequisite to succeed as an NHL D-man.

Pass.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Have never been much of a fan of Maatta's play, frankly. Considering that Paul Maurice activates his D as much as does any coach in the league, that makes Maatta quite a poor choice for the Jets; being able to skate well is also pretty much a prerequisite to succeed as an NHL D-man.

Pass.

That's fair to pass on Maatta for that, I just don't think saying "he's damaged goods, so pass" is fair. He's a guy that would be a 2-way monster if he could skate, but since he can't, he'll likely only top out as a shutdown guy that can move the puck well. He'd do better in the West on a team like LA or Anaheim, he just can't keep up on a team like Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh.

 

[Hunter368]

Have never been much of a fan of Maatta's play, frankly. Considering that Paul Maurice activates his D as much as does any coach in the league, that makes Maatta quite a poor choice for the Jets; being able to skate well is also pretty much a prerequisite to succeed as an NHL D-man.

Pass.

Good point

 

[CaptainChef]

For what it's worth... Eklund is claiming that Trouba may be staying in WPG and that the Jet's may have "put their money where their mouth is".

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...ipeg--Deal-coming-Wednesdays-Buzzcast/1/80198

Would someone tell me why Eklund is an approved rumor mill when he makes a new bogus story every day

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

For what it's worth... Eklund is claiming that Trouba may be staying in WPG and that the Jet's may have "put their money where their mouth is".

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...ipeg--Deal-coming-Wednesdays-Buzzcast/1/80198

One paragraph and 2 spelling mistakes

 

[Thai jet*]

Tnse

Are you giving your opinion as a competitive athlete?

I didn't say they wouldn't want him to come back and help win. I said they are probably resentful. Hockey is a team sport. Trouba appears to be a "me first" kind of player. Read Perreault's comments again, and even Little's. This is what they said to the camera. What do you think they are saying when the camera is off?

Most guys stick with their buddy over management. These guys are most likely still pissed that Cheapman forced that farce Noel on them. You think they blame themselves or a fellow player for the losing over the hiring of a lifetime .500 coach who has in all his years shown he can't get a decent special team going? Put down that TNSE kool aid for a moment and think this out in a rational way.

 

[Thai jet*]

Buff

Naw.

Myers gets the small amount of PP time left over after Byfuglien takes his bite, but Trouba gets similar, albeit tougher, minutes to Myers.

As far as I can tell, both Myers and, to a lesser extent, Trouba stink on the PP.

They lack both the puck skills and thinking/creativity of Byfuglien.

Would that be the Big Buff lead 14.8% - 30th overall PP from last year? Come on people let's get real.

 

[Evil Little]

Would that be the Big Buff lead 14.8% - 30th overall PP from last year? Come on people let's get real.

Yeah, better get your best players off the powerplay.

 

[Pongs21]

That's cute you believe Eklund, do you believe in the tooth fairy too?

If you go back and READ. I started my post off with FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH - implying not much. It does add to the conversation though, more so than your post there buddy.

 

[Guardian17]

Now that Lindholm has signed with the Ducks maybe Trouba will finally figure out what he wants to do.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Now that Lindholm has signed with the Ducks maybe Trouba will finally figure out what he wants to do.

Yeah he needs to figure something out here, Can't see Trouba willing to sit out an entire season if not signed by Dec 1st. He needs to fire Overhardt and get a new agent and try and get a deal done here with Winnipeg even if it's agreed upon that he gets dealt.

 

[Hunter368]

Trouba contract demands just went down. Lol

Haha

Congrats Ducks

 

[xxreact9]

Trouba contract demands just went down. Lol

Haha

Congrats Ducks

Ty ty.

Not good news for Trouba camp, as reports had Lindholm asking for Over 6 million reaching for Ekblad #s, only to get signed for 5.25m.

Good news for Jets.

 

[buggs]

Yeah he needs to figure something out here, Can't see Trouba willing to sit out an entire season if not signed by Dec 1st. He needs to fire Overhardt and get a new agent and try and get a deal done here with Winnipeg even if it's agreed upon that he gets dealt.

Which takes us right back to the smartest approach in the first place:

Hate Winnipeg? Ok, fine. Sign a contract that is reasonable market value ($4.5-5/6 years) that makes you appealing to pick up by other teams. Play your butt off making you look like a very appealing asset to as many teams as possible making the return for the Jets the best possible.

Instead of using the "spoiled young player willing to hold out with a troublesome agent at the helm" approach that seems to be working so well.

 

[Hunter368]

Ty ty.

Not good news for Trouba camp, as reports had Lindholm asking for Over 6 million reaching for Ekblad #s, only to get signed for 5.25m.

Good news for Jets.

Yes, lower contract demands can't hurt the return.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Which takes us right back to the smartest approach in the first place:

Hate Winnipeg? Ok, fine. Sign a contract that is reasonable market value ($4.5-5/6 years) that makes you appealing to pick up by other teams. Play your butt off making you look like a very appealing asset to as many teams as possible making the return for the Jets the best possible.

Instead of using the "spoiled young player willing to hold out with a troublesome agent at the helm" approach that seems to be working so well.

Couldn't agree more with your assessment, Maybe now that Lindholm is resigned maybe Trouba goes to Overhardt and tells him to strike up a deal with Winnipeg it beats sitting out for a long time. With an agreement that he gets deal to a team that can give Chevy the best package available. Possibly to an Eastern Conference team or something like that.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Tyler Johnson and Slater Koekkoek for Trouba and 2nd round pick

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Tyler Johnson and Slater Koekkoek for Trouba and 2nd round pick

Tyler Johnson isn't a need in Winnipeg, They don't need wingers period and Koekkoek doesn't help Winnipeg in the least. Though Trouba in Tampa would be sweet.

 

[Crease]

The scenario that makes the most sense to me is the Rangers acquiring Fowler and then flipping him to the Jets for Trouba.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Tyler Johnson isn't a need in Winnipeg, They don't need wingers period and Koekkoek doesn't help Winnipeg in the least. Though Trouba in Tampa would be sweet.

Killorn and Koekkoek for Trouba.

 

[Gump Hasek]

The scenario that makes the most sense to me is the Rangers acquiring Fowler and then flipping him to the Jets for Trouba.

LOL

The Jets aren't at all likely to be moving RFA Trouba in exchange for less than two years of Fowler's services.

 

[Crease]

LOL

The Jets aren't at all likely to be moving RFA Trouba in exchange for less than two years of Fowler's services.

I didn't mean to imply that Fowler and Trouba have equal trade value. I was conveying a general idea.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I didn't mean to imply that Fowler and Trouba have equal trade value. The deal would be more complicated than my post suggested but the general idea remains.

Not if Fowler is coming back, period.

The Jets ask:

11. There’s no substitute in reporting for face time. Going into Winnipeg and spending a weekend there, you can’t help but be struck by the feeling the Jets are determined to play hardball with Jacob Trouba. Several teams have tried to be creative but GM Kevin Cheveldayoff is not budging or talking. All he says is, “We will do what’s best for the Winnipeg Jets.” Unless he gets an elite, young player with term or team control, this is not going anywhere for the time being.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-game-changing-move-seattles-nhl-bid/

Fowler checks exactly none of those boxes. In other words: "make us whole with an individual that matches the loss, or we'd prefer to stick this out and sign the player we control for four additional seasons."

 

[Crease]

Not if Fowler is coming back, period.

The Jets ask:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-game-changing-move-seattles-nhl-bid/

Fowler checks exactly none of those boxes.

For what it's worth, those are Elliote Friedman's words, not Kevin Cheveldayoff's.