Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[Gump Hasek]

Is this the thread about Trouba news as it relates to his current situation, or is it the thread where EdmontonExpress prattles on and on in an attempt to draw a parallel between 10 years of embarrassing futility in Edmonton vs. an entirely unrelated situation in Winnipeg? The reason I ask is because, per my own understanding, this is the trade board - Trouba thread, not a team-building debate.

So, anyway, here is the latest:

11. There’s no substitute in reporting for face time. Going into Winnipeg and spending a weekend there, you can’t help but be struck by the feeling the Jets are determined to play hardball with Jacob Trouba. Several teams have tried to be creative but GM Kevin Cheveldayoff is not budging or talking. All he says is, “We will do what’s best for the Winnipeg Jets.” Unless he gets an elite, young player with term or team control, this is not going anywhere for the time being. - Elliotte Friedman

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-game-changing-move-seattles-nhl-bid/

 

[Ropesman]

I totally get why chevy is doing what he is doing and it's the right thing to do. The thing I find interesting is why would he even want the guy to come back? His teammates are never going to look at him the same way again, he bailed on them. It just seems like this is a bad situation whichever way you look at it.

His asking price is exactly where it should be, but why would a team trade an equal asset, its a lateral move at best. Unless he takes a forward instead of a dman then maybe there may be a team willing.

 

[Hunter368]

Is this the thread about Trouba news as it relates to his current situation, or is it the thread where EdmontonExpress prattles on and on in an attempt to draw a parallel between 10 years of embarrassing futility in Edmonton vs. an entirely unrelated situation in Winnipeg? The reason I ask is because, per my own understanding, this is the trade board - Trouba thread, not a team-building debate.

So, anyway, here is the latest:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-game-changing-move-seattles-nhl-bid/

Chevy is playing it perfectly, extracting the highest return possible (yet to be seen if it's a LHD or BPA), attempting to fill our greatest need and biggest of all.....setting a precedent in a NHL small market city that depends on D&D and retaining its RFA's.

Well done Chevy, he has the fans, city and ownership supporting him.

 

[Tatar Shots]

I totally get why chevy is doing what he is doing and it's the right thing to do. The thing I find interesting is why would he even want the guy to come back? His teammates are never going to look at him the same way again, he bailed on them. It just seems like this is a bad situation whichever way you look at it.

His asking price is exactly where it should be, but why would a team trade an equal asset, its a lateral move at best. Unless he takes a forward instead of a dman then maybe there may be a team willing.

Just like the Lightning players all don't like Drouin now? The players understand this is a business much better than fans do and won't hold it against Trouba if he does return to the Jets.

 

[aj8000]

Hearing that there may have been a deal completed between Winnipeg and Detroit....anyone else heard this?

Trouba and a 2nd to Detroit for Dekeyser and Bertuzzi

It was a fake news report from a fake news site

 

[Hunter368]

Just like the Lightning players all don't like Drouin now? The players understand this is a business much better than fans do and won't hold it against Trouba if he does return to the Jets.

Correct, we can't judge this situation as normal working stiffs like we are, we have to look at it like millionaire athletes. Locally they've asked a pro athlete about it, he said it's not a big deal in a locker room, they understand it's just business. Typically will require a short player meeting, explanation and everything is ok after. A few players were asked about it after the first announcement, one player chirped Trouba a little, the rest were very neutral to the situation b/c they know it's just business not personal. Trouba coming back would be welcomed in the locker room, fans on the other hand will take more time but would come around eventually like in TB.

 

[Sypher04]

Just like the Lightning players all don't like Drouin now? The players understand this is a business much better than fans do and won't hold it against Trouba if he does return to the Jets.

Not entirely comparable. Drouin refused to report to the AHL after getting demoted. Trouba is refusing to sign because he frankly is unwilling to earn the spot from Myers/Byfuglien, or play his off-side to help the team.

 

[Sypher04]

Correct, we can't judge this situation as normal working stiffs like we are, we have to look at it like millionaire athletes. Locally they've asked a pro athlete about it, he said it's not a big deal in a locker room, they understand it's just business. Typically will require a short player meeting, explanation and everything is ok after. A few players were asked about it after the first announcement, one player chirped Trouba a little, the rest were very neutral to the situation b/c they know it's just business not personal. Trouba coming back would be welcomed in the locker room, fans on the other hand will take more time but would come around eventually like in TB.

End of September, Matthew Perrault said the following on Trouba's trade request and hold out:
“This guy plays big minutes, 22 minutes, and he’s gonna complain some sort of way about his ice time. How much more does he want?” “I’m disappointed. I think it’s selfish of him to ask for that”.

Bryan Little said “you’ve got 60 guys here that would die to put that jersey on”

I have a hard time believing there aren't several players in the lockerroom that feel that way. A few words from Trouba doesn't change that he's being selfish and hurting the team.

 

[Stej]

Just to play devil's advocate, one way that Trouba could instantly get welcomed back by both the players and the organization would be to lay it all at the feet of his agent. Fire Overhardt and claim he got terrible advice and is just happy to have this all behind him.

Whether that would be the truth or not, it would very likely smooth things over immensely. I actually don't believe this is all Overhardt, but that's beside the point I'm trying to make.

 

[aj8000]

Not entirely comparable. Drouin refused to report to the AHL after getting demoted. Trouba is refusing to sign because he frankly is unwilling to earn the spot from Myers/Byfuglien, or play his off-side to help the team.

I guess we will cross that bridge when he signs with the jets, until then it really is not that relevant. I heard that the Jets rule is that he would be required to take the team out to supper on his dime and carry all the equipment for a week into each arena to make amends.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

End of September, Matthew Perrault said the following on Trouba's trade request and hold out:
“This guy plays big minutes, 22 minutes, and he’s gonna complain some sort of way about his ice time. How much more does he want?†“I’m disappointed. I think it’s selfish of him to ask for thatâ€.

Bryan Little said “you’ve got 60 guys here that would die to put that jersey onâ€

I have a hard time believing there aren't several players in the lockerroom that feel that way. A few words from Trouba doesn't change that he's being selfish and hurting the team.

I agree with this. It's not "just business" and everyone sucks it up if Trouba returns. The Jets are 2-4 and an underperforming defence is a good part of that crappy record. The team could really use Trouba, but hey, he's on his couch playing Nintendo in Michigan. People don't think that the rest of the team will carry some resentment? Come on.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I agree with this. It's not "just business" and everyone sucks it up if Trouba returns. The Jets are 2-4 and an underperforming defence is a good part of that crappy record. The team could really use Trouba, but hey, he's on his couch playing Nintendo in Michigan. People don't think that the rest of the team will carry some resentment? Come on.

I mean a new Pokemon game is coming out soon, maybe he wants to be the first person to get a copy of both Sun and Moon before he signs?

 

[Whileee]

I agree with this. It's not "just business" and everyone sucks it up if Trouba returns. The Jets are 2-4 and an underperforming defence is a good part of that crappy record. The team could really use Trouba, but hey, he's on his couch playing Nintendo in Michigan. People don't think that the rest of the team will carry some resentment? Come on.

Jets have actually been playing better than their record shows. Their main problem has been inconsistent goaltending and a few weird breaks the past couple of games. They are 12th in the NHL in 5v5 CF%. I think they aren't too unhappy with how they've played the past few games - certainly not so much that Chevy would even consider a rash move with a key asset like Trouba.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Chevy is playing it perfectly, extracting the highest return possible (yet to be seen if it's a LHD or BPA), attempting to fill our greatest need and biggest of all.....setting a precedent in a NHL small market city that depends on D&D and retaining its RFA's.

Well done Chevy, he has the fans, city and ownership supporting him.

Yes it's a perfect job. Going into a season without a key player, getting nothing out of him or for him and being in 7th place in your division certainly deserves applause.

Boy he's really sticking it to Trouba and showing him!

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Hearing that there may have been a deal completed between Winnipeg and Detroit....anyone else heard this?

Trouba and a 2nd to Detroit for Dekeyser and Bertuzzi

Pretty sure it's not a credible source, I seriously doubt that Holland has any interest in moving Tyler Bertuzzi and i don't really see Holland trading DeKeyser either. Honestly other then Larkin i don't see Cheveldayoff having any interest in the pieces we could offer Though i wish it was a fact.

 

[SEALBound]

Is this the thread about Trouba news as it relates to his current situation, or is it the thread where EdmontonExpress prattles on and on in an attempt to draw a parallel between 10 years of embarrassing futility in Edmonton vs. an entirely unrelated situation in Winnipeg? The reason I ask is because, per my own understanding, this is the trade board - Trouba thread, not a team-building debate.

So, anyway, here is the latest:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-game-changing-move-seattles-nhl-bid/

He's waiting for Olli Maatta to hit the market.

 

[Hunter368]

Yes it's a perfect job. Going into a season without a key player, getting nothing out of him or for him and being in 7th place in your division certainly deserves applause.

Boy he's really sticking it to Trouba and showing him!

Introduction of 4 rookies into our line up, two very inexperienced goalies, lost our #1C before season starts, #2 Dman sits out.

Before Little going down or Trouba requesting trade, people had this year pegged as a transition year and very few expected playoffs.

So yes he's doing a good job. Throwing away Trouba for pennies on the dollar like the vast majority of these offers are would be dumb.

PS: Ownership fully supports what he's doing.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Yes it's a perfect job. Going into a season without a key player, getting nothing out of him or for him and being in 7th place in your division certainly deserves applause.

Boy he's really sticking it to Trouba and showing him!

He is one of I would guess very few GM s in all of Pro Sports where results do not matter at all. With this luxury, he is allowed to do what he is doing with Trouba and it is the right decision for the Jets long term. Watching Buff play 30 mins a night, defense being a mess, he is allowed that. Injuries and rookies does not fly with me as look around the league, everyone has injuries and rookies.

 

[Evil Little]

Yes it's a perfect job. Going into a season without a key player, getting nothing out of him or for him and being in 7th place in your division certainly deserves applause.

Boy he's really sticking it to Trouba and showing him!

Shouldn't you be in some other thread ******** on Bob Murray considering that's all true of him, too--well, 6th in their division--except for the fact that they're supposed to be a bloody cup contender right now?

The Jets went into last season knowing they were going to be 'painfully young' and they went into this season knowing that they would get even younger.

Cheveldayoff's not even on the clock yet.

 

[haveandare]

Introduction of 4 rookies into our line up, two very inexperienced goalies, lost our #1C before season starts, #2 Dman sits out.

Before Little going down or Trouba requesting trade, people had this year pegged as a transition year and very few expected playoffs.

So yes he's doing a good job. Throwing away Trouba for pennies on the dollar like the vast majority of these offers are would be dumb.

PS: Ownership fully supports what he's doing.

I'm sure he's gotten offers that aren't pennies on the dollar. He's said and it's been reported that his ask is for an equivalent player, which makes no sense from any other teams pov. If two players have equal value contracts aside, then one is signed and one isn't, the signed one is playing and the other isn't, their values are no longer equivalent.

The only way he's playing this right is if he knows Trouba is going to sit out till Dec 1 and he's planning to use this time to drive up the offers and then take the best one come Dec 1.

Also people keep saying ownership is behind him. That's good in terms of having a cohesive office but what is there to support the idea that the Jets ownership is some bastion of judgement?

 

[Evil Little]

I'm sure he's gotten offers that aren't pennies on the dollar. He's said and it's been reported that his ask is for an equivalent player, which makes no sense from any other teams pov. If two players have equal value contracts aside, then one is signed and one isn't, the signed one is playing and the other isn't, their values are no longer equivalent.

You're right that it doesn't make sense for other teams. But the official stance is that he's willing to trade Trouba--Trouba's ask--as long as they don't lose in the equation.

But I don't think it's about other teams. Given that a trade will not be made due to the Jets' price-tag, the pressure is all on Trouba now.

Also people keep saying ownership is behind him. That's good in terms of having a cohesive office but what is there to support the idea that the Jets ownership is some bastion of judgement?

The point is not that ownership supports him so he must be right. The point is that ownership supports him so he's not going to worry about getting fired if he doesn't hurry up and ship Trouba out.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I'm sure he's gotten offers that aren't pennies on the dollar. He's said and it's been reported that his ask is for an equivalent player, which makes no sense from any other teams pov. If two players have equal value contracts aside, then one is signed and one isn't, the signed one is playing and the other isn't, their values are no longer equivalent.

The only way he's playing this right is if he knows Trouba is going to sit out till Dec 1 and he's planning to use this time to drive up the offers and then take the best one come Dec 1.

Also people keep saying ownership is behind him. That's good in terms of having a cohesive office but what is there to support the idea that the Jets ownership is some bastion of judgement?

The Jets need to trade Trouba ASAP?

Nah we can wait it out until he signs or a good offer comes through.

Well what if someone offersheets him?

Then we match or accept the multiple first round picks depending on what the offer is.

Well what if he doesn't sign by Dec 1st?

Then he sits

Well then you're never going to get the proper value for him

We already aren't getting proper value for him.

Well then how do you fix the hole in your lineup?

Morrissey

What if he sucks???

Then we cross that bridge

Look here's my offer of $.75 for your dollar

No

But his value is going to PLUMMET

Then we cross that bridge when it happens

Chevy is killing the Jets and has no idea what he's doing

Ownership has his back

But what if ownership is also idiots

.............then we cross that bridge






We're only a few steps away from "But why male models?"

That's not all on you but I am trying my best to sum up the last few months.

 

[JetsHomer]

I agree with this. It's not "just business" and everyone sucks it up if Trouba returns. The Jets are 2-4 and an underperforming defence is a good part of that crappy record. The team could really use Trouba, but hey, he's on his couch playing Nintendo in Michigan. People don't think that the rest of the team will carry some resentment? Come on.

You don't see the flaw in this argument? So the Jets are mad that Trouba isn't helping them win, so when he changes his mind their going to be petty and not want him to come back to help them win? I don't think that's how it works with competitive athletes .

 

[Brock Radunske]

Introduction of 4 rookies into our line up, two very inexperienced goalies, lost our #1C before season starts, #2 Dman sits out.

Before Little going down or Trouba requesting trade, people had this year pegged as a transition year and very few expected playoffs.

So yes he's doing a good job. Throwing away Trouba for pennies on the dollar like the vast majority of these offers are would be dumb.

PS: Ownership fully supports what he's doing.

Isn't the whole problem the fact that your "#2 Dman" has two other RHD blocking him?

 

[aqsw]

Isn't the whole problem the fact that your "#2 Dman" has two other RHD blocking him?

Another expert that has no idea about the Winnipeg Jets