Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[garyturner3]

This is silly. There's been maybe 3 similar situations to Trouba's in recent history. Drouin, johansen, and turris. They all ended up differently and imo represent the 3 ways this could go.

Drouin- he sat out for a significant period of time. Yzerman refuses to trade him and he eventually rejoined the team and seems to be happy playing for them now.

Johansen- held out for a while. Eventually signed a bridge deal and was traded 15 months later for a very specific return. 1 for 1.

Turris- holds out and signs a bridge deal just before the deadline. Gets traded shortly thereafter for a poor return just to get rid of the problem. Undoubtedly a loss.

I don't know why anyone would argue that following the Turris scenario would be the best asset management. IMO, trouba will follow johansen's path. He will sign a bridge deal and be traded at the draft or sometime next season. The only way he is traded now is if Chevy can take advantage of the ducks cap crunch. Otherwise he will sign.

The only example in your comparables with a favorable return is not a valid comparable at all. The Johansen scenario is not comparable to the Trouba one. Johansen held out because of standard contract/money issues which happens with players on every team on a regular basis. It's not the reason he was traded. MUCH different story than a player holding out after publicly demanding a trade. That situation has far fewer comparables and none that I can think of where the return was a fair value 1-1 swap.

 

[cobra427]

This is silly. There's been maybe 3 similar situations to Trouba's in recent history. Drouin, johansen, and turris. They all ended up differently and imo represent the 3 ways this could go.

Drouin- he sat out for a significant period of time. Yzerman refuses to trade him and he eventually rejoined the team and seems to be happy playing for them now.

Johansen- held out for a while. Eventually signed a bridge deal and was traded 15 months later for a very specific return. 1 for 1.

Turris- holds out and signs a bridge deal just before the deadline. Gets traded shortly thereafter for a poor return just to get rid of the problem. Undoubtedly a loss.

I don't know why anyone would argue that following the Turris scenario would be the best asset management. IMO, trouba will follow johansen's path. He will sign a bridge deal and be traded at the draft or sometime next season. The only way he is traded now is if Chevy can take advantage of the ducks cap crunch. Otherwise he will sign.

Druin was on an ELC, totally different. The Turris situation was bad asset management by DM. Turris didn't like playing for Tip and thought he was not treated fairly. DM would have received a better return had he traded him in the summer rather than forcing him to sign, and waiting until Turris played poorly. At the end of the day, Turris still didn't want to be there. DM, like Chevy, should have traded him as early as possible. Once the player doesn't want to be there, it is all down hill from there.

 

[mondo3]

Most Jet's fans want an equivalent LHD for Trouba in a trade. Just wondering if we could get a top goalie instead (perhaps with one of Hutchinson or Hellebuyck going with Trouba). Anyone?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Dreger was saying that there's been some interesting offers for Trouba, Would be curious what teams are involved.

 

[aj8000]

Dreger was saying that there's been some interesting offers for Trouba, Would be curious what teams are involved.

Those interesting offers are plan B or C

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Those interesting offers are plan B or C

Yup more then likely.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Most Jet's fans want an equivalent LHD for Trouba in a trade. Just wondering if we could get a top goalie instead (perhaps with one of Hutchinson or Hellebuyck going with Trouba). Anyone?

Would imagine that most teams looking to acquire Trouba would be set with their Goaltending needs. So i doubt if either Hutchinson or Hellebuyck would be much of a need for them.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You are aware that up until the playoffs last season, Hellebuyck and Murray were looked at in pretty much the exact same light right? Hellebuyck even played well in the NHL last year after dominating the NCAA and playing great in the AHL. He's also the exact same age as Murray, and we'd be sure to lose him if we made a trade for a overpaid goalie! Please do some research before you try and tell a fanbase what their team needs.

We talking about last season now? I'm taking about today and Murray is a Darn good goalie and Proven! But you can keep your love affair with your goalie and stay in the middle of the pack. Sorry to let you know, but LV won't be picking Hellebuyck! Lol. If Murray is left unprotected, he gets picked up!

 

[Stream*]

That is a great trading strategy except for one problem. If a young top 4 LHD were available, the Jets would not be the only team making an offer. If Chevy or anyone expects a young top 4 straight up swap, they are dreaming, it is just not likely. A package might not make the team better next week, but the Jets are going no where this year anyway, so I am not sure that matters. The return over the long term is what will matter to Chevy and the Jets.

Young RHD are at a much higher premium in the NHL right now compared to young LHD.

 

[Stream*]

We talking about last season now? I'm taking about today and Murray is a Darn good goalie and Proven! But you can keep your love affair with your goalie and stay in the middle of the pack. Sorry to let you know, but LV won't be picking Hellebuyck! Lol. If Murray is left unprotected, he gets picked up!

FYI Las Vegas is not limited to picking just one goalie, so I don't think you know what you are taking about.

 

[JetsHomer]

We talking about last season now? I'm taking about today and Murray is a Darn good goalie and Proven! But you can keep your love affair with your goalie and stay in the middle of the pack. Sorry to let you know, but LV won't be picking Hellebuyck! Lol. If Murray is left unprotected, he gets picked up!

It's incredibly clear you don't have a single idea about the quality of prospect that Hellebuyck is, do us a favour and read up on him a little more before you try and tell Jets fans about how much he sucks

 

[Hunter368]

Clearly you should be more polite haha. Take advise from other fans as you see fit. There is a difference between "hoping" Hellybuyck will be good vs Murray who IS a pretty darn good Goalie! A good GM deals with the circumstances that he is facing and also takes advantage of opportunities that are out there.

If the Pens gave me Murray for Truba with other pieces (including a 1st round pick), then I'd take it! Then I'd trade some of the forward prospects at some point (and future picks) to replace Trouba!

Wow, you want the Jets to trade away a 22 year old 2/3 rhd with #1D potential for a goalie.....a goalie with a handful of NHL games?

Not a chance, that's crazy talk. Not even remotely close

 

[Ripper]

Is Trouba a Red Wing?

Hearing that there may have been a deal completed between Winnipeg and Detroit....anyone else heard this?

Trouba and a 2nd to Detroit for Dekeyser and Bertuzzi

 

[Hunter368]

Hearing that there may have been a deal completed between Winnipeg and Detroit....anyone else heard this?

Trouba and a 2nd to Detroit for Dekeyser and Bertuzzi

Source?

 

[ZINFINITY16]

How much is this hurting his development? Obviously not significantly right now after missing only a few games. But, if this drags on into November or even December does he possibly sign in Europe or the KHL for a year??

Like just wondering what Chevyldayoff's long-term plan is, if no one offers an equivalent LHD?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Most Jet's fans want an equivalent LHD for Trouba in a trade. Just wondering if we could get a top goalie instead (perhaps with one of Hutchinson or Hellebuyck going with Trouba). Anyone?

Jake Gardiner
Frederik Andersen
Polak/Hunwick/Carrick

for

Jacob Trouba
Connor Hellebuyck
Mark Stuart

Toronto trying to do the Jets a favour taking Stuart's contract (and make deal more cap neutral), but Jets can remove the defensemen on both sides if they prefer.

 

[Claypool]

Hearing that there may have been a deal completed between Winnipeg and Detroit....anyone else heard this?

Trouba and a 2nd to Detroit for Dekeyser and Bertuzzi

yeah, Detroit isn't trading DeKeyser, and they're certainly not trading him during a game.

 

[Heldig]

Jake Gardiner
Frederik Andersen
Polak/Hunwick/Carrick

for

Jacob Trouba
Connor Hellebuyck
Mark Stuart

Toronto trying to do the Jets a favour taking Stuart's contract (and make deal more cap neutral), but Jets can remove the defensemen on both sides if they prefer.

Please make it stop.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Please make it stop.

- Acquire a starter
- Acquire a left D

Get two birds stoned at once.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Jake Gardiner
Frederik Andersen
Polak/Hunwick/Carrick

for

Jacob Trouba
Connor Hellebuyck
Mark Stuart

Toronto trying to do the Jets a favour taking Stuart's contract (and make deal more cap neutral), but Jets can remove the defensemen on both sides if they prefer.

Pass. Best of luck trying to unload 5-years of Frederik Andersen though. LOL

 

[Hunter368]

Jake Gardiner
Frederik Andersen
Polak/Hunwick/Carrick

for

Jacob Trouba
Connor Hellebuyck
Mark Stuart

Toronto trying to do the Jets a favour taking Stuart's contract (and make deal more cap neutral), but Jets can remove the defensemen on both sides if they prefer.

Leafs are doing the Jets a favor?

Those are the kind of favors we don't need.

Easy pass

 

[JetsHomer]

- Acquire a starter
- Acquire a left D

Get two birds stoned at once.

So the Jets take a downgrade at D and goalie all so they can trade Stuart for Polak?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

So the Jets take a downgrade at D and goalie all so they can trade Stuart for Polak?

Some GMs might prefer a proven Andersen to a green Hellebuyck outside of the last 5-6 weeks. Is Chevy one of those GMs? Worth a phone call to find out. Tweak the deal with a 2nd/3rd or a half decent prospect added and it might fly - if Chevy likes Andersen and thinks he'll rebound.

I have to admit that the "if" looks less likely with each game Andersen plays though Isn't Hellebuyck also not meeting expectations right now?

 

[Gump Hasek]

11. There’s no substitute in reporting for face time. Going into Winnipeg and spending a weekend there, you can’t help but be struck by the feeling the Jets are determined to play hardball with Jacob Trouba. Several teams have tried to be creative but GM Kevin Cheveldayoff is not budging or talking. All he says is, “We will do what’s best for the Winnipeg Jets.” Unless he gets an elite, young player with term or team control, this is not going anywhere for the time being. - Elliotte Friedman

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-game-changing-move-seattles-nhl-bid/

 

[g00n]

Stay on topic.