Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[CrankyBaker]

Is there any kind of appetite for MAF (he is waives his limited NMC & or had already nominated the jets) and something for Trouba?

Jets currently rank 22nd for save % early in the year so a goalie back there could be worth his weight in gold.

 

[Maukkis]

Is there any kind of appetite for MAF (he is waives his limited NMC & or had already nominated the jets) and something for Trouba?

Jets currently rank 22nd for save % early in the year so a goalie back there could be worth his weight in gold.

Nope. We have Hellebuyck to protect already.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Is there any kind of appetite for MAF (he is waives his limited NMC & or had already nominated the jets) and something for Trouba?

Jets currently rank 22nd for save % early in the year so a goalie back there could be worth his weight in gold.

If the Jets wanted MAF/JR wanted to deal him, Pavelec would most certainly be coming back so just MAF as a centerpiece for Trouba wouldn't really work.

 

[Maukkis]

If the Jets wanted MAF/JR wanted to deal him, Pavelec would most certainly be coming back so just MAF as a centerpiece for Trouba wouldn't really work.

It would be Hellebuyck, which makes no sense for the Pens either.

 

[MikeRahl]

Came here to see if there was any news on Trouba.

Find a Debate where an Oiler fan is lecturing Jet's fans on Development?

Just wow.

In other news Trouba and Lindholm still not signed. Anyone see that piece by MacKenzie talking about the CAP hit penalty for signing late in the season?

I didn't think it is a penalty, just a measure to make sure there was no skirting of the rules.

At face value, it would appear as though you could wait as long as possible to sign an RFA if you were capped; then sign him at the AAV he wants. It would be prorated based on where we were in the season. (For a 6 month season, if he wants 6 million, wait a month and then he only counts against the cap for 5 million).

That is true if the player is signing a one year deal, but if it's a multi-year deal, his entire cap number must fit on the books before he can be signed.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Serious question for Jets fans.
Do you think this will get resolved in the next 37 days (through trade or resigning)?

 

[Paradise*]

Serious question for Jets fans.
Do you think this will get resolved in the next 37 days (through trade or resigning)?

It's definitely possible, if Trouba wants to play in the NHL this year.

Chevy is extremely patient. IMO Trouba camp caves close to Dec.1.

 

[Pongs21]

Serious question for Jets fans.
Do you think this will get resolved in the next 37 days (through trade or resigning)?

I think so, there is precedence of Overhart's client's who've sit out signing before the deadline. Trouba states his biggest concern is being able to play on the right to establish/reach his potential. He's got a way better chance of achieving that playing on the left side with Buff then sitting out a year thus delaying his UFA status a year and wasting a year of development at his age.

 

[aj8000]

Serious question for Jets fans.
Do you think this will get resolved in the next 37 days (through trade or resigning)?

Yes, one of those will happen. Most likely the resigning first and then a trade sometime later.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Serious question for Jets fans.
Do you think this will get resolved in the next 37 days (through trade or resigning)?

It's definitely possible, if Trouba wants to play in the NHL this year.

Chevy is extremely patient. IMO Trouba camp caves close to Dec.1.

I think so, there is precedence of Overhart's client's who've sit out signing before the deadline. Trouba states his biggest concern is being able to play on the right to establish/reach his potential. He's got a way better chance of achieving that playing on the left side with Buff then sitting out a year thus delaying his UFA status a year and wasting a year of development at his age.

Yes, one of those will happen. Most likely the resigning first and then a trade sometime later.

Agreed.
I think the Jets are going to end up calling his bluff.
There is no way he'd risk a whole year. It would terrible for his development, not to mention he'd have a hard time recouping the 4-5 mill he lost over his career.

 

[cobra427]

Agreed.
I think the Jets are going to end up calling his bluff.
There is no way he'd risk a whole year. It would terrible for his development, not to mention he'd have a hard time recouping the 4-5 mill he lost over his career.

Trouba is not bluffing. He doesn't want to play for the Jets. Sure he might be forced to sign before December 1st, but then what? He won't be welcome in the room and will be less than enamored with being there and that will effect his play (see Turris). If he doesn't look good, his trade value goes down and it still doesn't work in the locker room. Other players know it and see it, hurts the culture.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Would a three way trade with Edmonton, Nashville, and Winnipeg work? Details will come later.

 

[wintersej]

Trouba is not bluffing. He doesn't want to play for the Jets. Sure he might be forced to sign before December 1st, but then what? He won't be welcome in the room and will be less than enamored with being there and that will effect his play (see Turris). If he doesn't look good, his trade value goes down and it still doesn't work in the locker room. Other players know it and see it, hurts the culture.

I know the Jets aren't about winning this season, but you certainly run a risk of Trouba being a mopey cancer and that isn't something you want when trying to build a winning culture. Lots of things to weigh, of course, and I don't think most of us have spent enough time with Trouba in real life to guess how we would take it.

 

[Kerricthebig]

Would a three way trade with Edmonton, Nashville, and Winnipeg work? Details will come later.

Knowing this board, three-way trades and the valuances there-of, probably not.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I know the Jets aren't about winning this season, but you certainly run a risk of Trouba being a mopey cancer and that isn't something you want when trying to build a winning culture. Lots of things to weigh, of course, and I don't think most of us have spent enough time with Trouba in real life to guess how we would take it.

My offer of Gardiner (3x4.05) + Kapanen is still on the table

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Would a three way trade with Edmonton, Nashville, and Winnipeg work? Details will come later.

Depends on the team that is trading for Trouba, If it's Edmonton and i assume it is. It would all hinge if Trouba would commit long term with Edmonton and i honestly don't believe he would. I'm not sure if he really wants to play that far west. Trouba might not be able to dictate what city he plays for but i'm pretty sure he can dictate what region he would accept a deal to. Case in point Trouba and Overhardt might say that Trouba is willing to sign with any Eastern Conference team but might not accept a deal to any Canadian team or Western Conference team he still has that right.

 

[CaptainChef]

Serious question for Jets fans.
Do you think this will get resolved in the next 37 days (through trade or resigning)?

Yes. Chance of a trade <25%. Chance of re-signing with Wpg >> 50%. Chance that he is really stubborn & will sit or go play in Europe (slim)

 

[Brock Radunske]

Yes. Chance of a trade <25%. Chance of re-signing with Wpg >> 50%. Chance that he is really stubborn & will sit or go play in Europe (slim)

Europe is a pretty viable option that isn't talked about much.
He could possible follow the Burmi route and wait for a trade. it would be a lot better than sitting because he's getting paid, not causing trouble in the dressing room and is still playing and being showcased.

 

[CaptainChef]

Trouba is not bluffing. He doesn't want to play for the Jets. Sure he might be forced to sign before December 1st, but then what? He won't be welcome in the room and will be less than enamored with being there and that will effect his play (see Turris). If he doesn't look good, his trade value goes down and it still doesn't work in the locker room. Other players know it and see it, hurts the culture.

He will be welcomed back. The players for the most part know what he's going through & why. They may not necessarily symphatize with him, but they understand his struggle. They want him back on the Jets if they want to win. So yes, they accept him back readily.

Now, if he were to fire his agent in the process .... then you really get buy in. Blame it all on bad advice from his agent, new start.

 

[otto bond]

I wonder if something could be done on MTL ends of things. Thinking Beaulieu plus something like a prospect/pick?

 

[CaptainChef]

My offer of Gardiner (3x4.05) + Kapanen is still on the table

If the Jets were that desperate, I'd be extremely surprised & terribly disappointed. There's a reason why half the leaf fan base keeps throwing Gardiner in trade proposals & it isn't because he's that valuable. And Kapanen is an OK prospect, but a position which we have absolutely no need for.

 

[CaptainChef]

I wonder if something could be done on MTL ends of things. Thinking Beaulieu plus something like a prospect/pick?

Think dang good pluses because Beaulieu is not a solid base for ++ on this trade -- not interested in a quantity for quality trade.

 

[Brock Radunske]

If the Jets were that desperate, I'd be extremely surprised & terribly disappointed. There's a reason why half the leaf fan base keeps throwing Gardiner in trade proposals & it isn't because he's that valuable. And Kapanen is an OK prospect, but a position which we have absolutely no need for.

The reason is that he's a LHD firmly and forever stuck behind Rielly and we have no current or future RHD with top pairing upside.
In an ideal world, I'd love to add a RHD to Rielly, Gardiner and Zaitsev but in this specific instance you need only a LHD.
Trouba has higher potential (whether or not he gets there, we'll see) but as it stands right now, they are equal players and Kapanen (or Dermott or Sosh, etc) is the payment for the potential. Not to mention he's also a hold-out with no contract and Gardiner is signed for 3 more years at 4.05 per

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I wonder if something could be done on MTL ends of things. Thinking Beaulieu plus something like a prospect/pick?

Montreal has like $1.7 million in cap space, Trading Beaulieu alone wont clear enough cap to afford to give Trouba $5.5 million per long term. And besides with both Weber and Petry on the right side where are you going to put Trouba neither Weber nor Petry are the good on their off sides so i don't see where Trouba is a good fit with Montreal unless MB moves Petry and his NMC.

 

[lanky]

Turris was mopey and played like scheize when he was forced to sign. We have to hope that Trouba pulls up his socks and tries to help the cause. His beef with the team has obviously been there for a while and his team mates were all surprised when the Overhardt statement came out in Sep. This gives me hope that Trouba is able to keep his business matters away from the dressing room.