Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[Evil Little]

Wait, so the Ducks are going to trade the better player whom they don't wish to pay for an unsigned Trouba that they won't want to pay? Ya, makes perfect sense.

It does if Trouba's willing to take a bridge and Lindholm isn't.

 

[aj8000]

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2016...ve-a-contract-therefore-he-is-not-holding-out

Technically, he doesn't have a contract. He is essentially a RFA, he can sign anywhere....the team that signs him would have to give compensation as per the CBA. He could also play in Europe. so no, i doubt he will retire.

Yep and here we are still waiting for the offer sheet. Furthermore, you realize any offer sheet Trouba signs would be matched by the Jets. I guess you also have to consider who has cap room and the picks to make an offer sheet. He can go to europe and if he wants to play there until he is 27 so he is no longer a RFA for the Jets, well I guess he has that choice. If he does that, I guess he really does not care about the money.

Lindholm hasn't requested a trade. And until Trouba signs in Winnepeg, then you have zero years.....

Does it really make a difference if one has publicly asked for a trade or not? Both teams do not have the services of their player at the moment. Do not worry, Trouba is not going to be traded to the Leafs because you are spelling Winnipeg wrong.

 

[Hunter368]

It does if Trouba's willing to take a bridge and Lindholm isn't.

True, plus by all accounts I've heard/read Lindholm is asking for a fair bit more then Trouba. So combined less dollars, less term and a plus added by jets.....maybe it might happen. Certainly plausible, more plausible then most of the offers Jets fans have endured on here by other fans (for trouba). Haha


But IMO Lindholm signs with ducks and Jets trade Trouba else where.

 

[lomiller1]

Technically, he doesn't have a contract. He is essentially a RFA, he can sign anywhere....the team that signs him would have to give compensation as per the CBA.

Note quite. They could choose to match the offer in which case he now has a signed contract with the Jets. This is how most offer sheets end up.
If he doesn’t want to play in Canada why would he play in Europe for 1/10 the money?

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

We're a draft and develop team. They told us that from the start.

The Winnipeg Thrashers, drafting and developing since 1999-2000.

Trades will happen when necessary. Not when some clueless Edmonton fan decides.

It would seem as though having a player HOLD OUT and NOT PLAY would make a trade necessary, no?

But again, if you enjoy spending money on season tickets- oh, and extra for events like the Heritage Classic- only to be told your team is in "developmental year" mode every season, I can't help you. The only cure for that kind of delusion is time and mounting frustration.

You do know they are different management teams? Cities?

Hasn't seemed to matter. The Oilers changed owners, GMs and coaches multiple times between 2007 and today; however, when the fanbase is willing to absorb constant abuse while holding out their hand asking "please, sir, can I have some more", there will be no incentive to change.

Your "facts" are have an agenda and it's not a very good one.

Wow, so apparently the NHL standings over the last sixteen years have an agenda. Who knew those darned numbers were so biased?

It's more than a non fan with a poorly informed opinion. Those fans pay the bills. EdmontonExpress doesn't. Thanks for the concern

Right, and so long as those fans continue to pay the bills, you can expect Chipman and co. to do just enough for the money to keep rolling in while explaining away failure as "part of the plan". I've seen this movie; you'd think other fans would be smarter after witnessing Edmonton go through this a decade running, but apparently not.

I blame the EA NHL hockey line. It's made a lot of fans believe they could GM a team.

To Jets fans under Chevy, I could see how making trades would seem like a fantastical and impossible feat achievable only in a video game. However, outside of the Winnipeg bubble, GMs actually have to do things and win games to earn a paycheque and stay employed. Accountability apparently isn't a word True North is familiar with, however.

 

[North]

The Winnipeg Thrashers, drafting and developing since 1999-2000.



It would seem as though having a player HOLD OUT and NOT PLAY would make a trade necessary, no?

But again, if you enjoy spending money on season tickets- oh, and extra for events like the Heritage Classic- only to be told your team is in "developmental year" mode every season, I can't help you. The only cure for that kind of delusion is time and mounting frustration.



Hasn't seemed to matter. The Oilers changed owners, GMs and coaches multiple times between 2007 and today; however, when the fanbase is willing to absorb constant abuse while holding out their hand asking "please, sir, can I have some more", there will be no incentive to change.



Wow, so apparently the NHL standings over the last sixteen years have an agenda. Who knew those darned numbers were so biased?



Right, and so long as those fans continue to pay the bills, you can expect Chipman and co. to do just enough for the money to keep rolling in while explaining away failure as "part of the plan". I've seen this movie; you'd think other fans would be smarter after witnessing Edmonton go through this a decade running, but apparently not.



To Jets fans under Chevy, I could see how making trades would seem like a fantastical and impossible feat achievable only in a video game. However, outside of the Winnipeg bubble, GMs actually have to do things and win games to earn a paycheque and stay employed. Accountability apparently isn't a word True North is familiar with, however.

Too bad we can't trade Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson or Nail Yakupov for a third round pick maybe a second.

I'm not sure why you're hostile about the fact that we understand what our management group is doing.

All the sudden Edmonton is winning and you're the expert on Winnipeg's situation.

I'm done engaging with you because it's clear all you want is an argument.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Too bad we can't trade Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson or Nail Yakupov for a third round pick maybe a second.

Larsson trade is working out great. Yak needed a change of scenery, and I'm happy for it. Meanwhile, your GM is 0/0 without any plan or direction in sight.

I'm not sure why you're hostile about the fact that we understand what our management group is doing.

I'm hostile to the idea that it's a good way to build an NHL team, or that it's a mark of exemplary management skills. It's not.

All the sudden Edmonton is winning and you're the expert on Winnipeg's situation.

It's moreso Winnipeg continuing to lose... err, sorry, have "development years" despite a core in their mid to late 20s that most teams would kill for.

I'm done engaging with you because it's clear all you want is an argument.

In other words, you don't want to admit TNSE is bilking you and every other Jets fan for your hard-earned cash. Got it.

 

[cneely]

Larsson trade is working out great. Yak needed a change of scenery, and I'm happy for it. Meanwhile, your GM is 0/0 without any plan or direction in sight.



I'm hostile to the idea that it's a good way to build an NHL team, or that it's a mark of exemplary management skills. It's not.



It's moreso Winnipeg continuing to lose... err, sorry, have "development years" despite a core in their mid to late 20s that most teams would kill for.



In other words, you don't want to admit TNSE is bilking you and every other Jets fan for your hard-earned cash. Got it.

So when you look at this Thrashers / Jets organization from top to bottom you don't see a massive improvement over what they inherited 5 years ago?

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

So when you look at this Thrashers / Jets organization from top to bottom you don't see a massive improvement over what they inherited 5 years ago?

I see a bunch of shiny new toys but little in the way of actual on-ice progress- again, a situation that echos my Oilers of the last decade.

 

[CaptainChef]

It does if Trouba's willing to take a bridge and Lindholm isn't.

I don't think Trouba was thinking bridge was an option earlier, but at this stage in the game, if Ana offered him a decent 2-year bridge and he saw that as his ticket directly out of Wpg, why wouldn't he do it. Lindholm on the other hand, no reason to take a bridge and I'm sure he'd have no problems coming to terms on a 6-yr deal with the Jets (as $$ was never the issue between Trouba & the Jets & they have plenty of room to offer Lindy 6.0 per)

But yes, Hunter, I suspect when all the dust has settled, both will resign with their original teams. Have to think that there is little to block Lindy from signing but look out if this goes a few more days with no announcement. Trouba will hang it out until the final week of Nov unless this deal with Ana developes, Chevy won't trade him for peanuts thats for sure.

 

[cneely]

I see a bunch of shiny new toys but little in the way of actual on-ice progress- again, a situation that echos my Oilers of the last decade.

Strange comment when the Oilers finally seem to be making process.
The Trashers were a mess when they came over to WINNIPEG. The prospect cupboards were bare and the team was awful. The current team may not achieve better on ice results, but at least the future looks very bright. They currently have 3-4 guys on the Moose and 4-5 on the Jets who would have displaced Cormier for their top prospect 5 years ago.

 

[darkjet]

In other words, you don't want to admit TNSE is bilking you and every other Jets fan for your hard-earned cash. Got it.

Funny you should bring this up. Have you seen the menu prices for the private boxes at rogers place? 100$ for a dozen wings. 18% hidden gratuity. I know a server who walked out with 2500 in tips the other game.

 

[larmex99]

I see a bunch of shiny new toys but little in the way of actual on-ice progress- again, a situation that echos my Oilers of the last decade.

Not exactly an echo of Oil's horrid development. Jets would have to dwell in the cellar for five more years and pick up a pile of 1st OA picks and screw up half of those to emulate Oilers lst 10 years. Oh, and then someone from Jetland would have to go on the HFBOards nad call another team inept. Without McJesus the Oilers would still be mired in the cellar, and even you must realize that to be true. Your attitude is well...interesting.

 

[aqsw]

Yep and here we are still waiting for the offer sheet. Furthermore, you realize any offer sheet Trouba signs would be matched by the Jets. I guess you also have to consider who has cap room and the picks to make an offer sheet. He can go to europe and if he wants to play there until he is 27 so he is no longer a RFA for the Jets, well I guess he has that choice. If he does that, I guess he really does not care about the money.



Does it really make a difference if one ha*s publicly asked for a trade or not? Both teams do not have the services of their player at the moment. Do not worry, Trouba is not going to be traded to the Leafs because you are spelling Winnipeg wrong.

Too funny.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Not exactly an echo of Oil's horrid development.

But that's my point- they look shiny at first, but playing- and staying- in the NHL is another matter entirely. Our mantra was HOPE; I suppose Winnipeg's should be DEVELOPMENT.

Jets would have to dwell in the cellar for five more years and pick up a pile of 1st OA picks and screw up half of those to emulate Oilers lst 10 years.

Well, actually, that would have likely helped the Jets; instead, they've bounced up and down the standings while only making the playoffs once. That's not a recipe for success.

Oh, and then someone from Jetland would have to go on the HFBOards nad call another team inept. Without McJesus the Oilers would still be mired in the cellar, and even you must realize that to be true. Your attitude is well...interesting.

Insulting me or the Oilers doesn't change Winnipeg's fortunes. I'm sorry you're unhappy with the facts, but you should perhaps direct your anger towards the team and not others who are simply pointing out the present (and past 16+ years) of affairs.

Funny you should bring this up. Have you seen the menu prices for the private boxes at rogers place? 100$ for a dozen wings. 18% hidden gratuity. I know a server who walked out with 2500 in tips the other game.

Err, I'm an STH in the loge level, and have never paid close to $100 for a dozen wings. My bill for a table of four is rarely in excess of $250, including drinks- about the same as one would pay at a restaurant. That gratuity isn't exactly hidden either; they tell you about it upon ordering and payment, and I'm fairly sure it's also in the tabletop menu.

In any event, I'd gladly pay that to watch McDavid et al in a bright new building versus the product the Jets ice.

Strange comment when the Oilers finally seem to be making process.

Care to explain?

The current team may not achieve better on ice results, but at least the future looks very bright.

Yeah, this has been the Edmonton mantra since the Jani Rita days. This more than anything proves what I've been saying all along.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Is there a link to a quote that he doesn't want to be in Canada or is this just an assumption?

 

[SCP Guy]

So now we have oiler fans giving advice on how to run a successful modern day franchise? Let me look up the definition of ironic in the dictionary and get back to everyone...



Bwahahahaha

 

[darkjet]

Err, I'm an STH in the loge level, and have never paid close to $100 for a dozen wings. My bill for a table of four is rarely in excess of $250, including drinks- about the same as one would pay at a restaurant. That gratuity isn't exactly hidden either; they tell you about it upon ordering and payment, and I'm fairly sure it's also in the tabletop

Well must be different for suites then. There is a reason the suite holders are boycotting the food.

 

[Hunter368]

So now we have oiler fans giving advice on how to run a successful modern day franchise? Let me look up the definition of ironic in the dictionary and get back to everyone...



Bwahahahaha

Not sure why they even feed him, he's clearly baiting people with nothing but OT posts meant to get a reaction.

 

[CaptainChef]

Not sure why they even feed him, he's clearly baiting people with nothing but OT posts meant to get a reaction.

Does OT stand for Out of Touch

 

[Brock Radunske]

Is there a link to a quote that he doesn't want to be in Canada or is this just an assumption?

Hate to quote myself but...
Seems crazy that he wouldn't sign in TO.
Up-and-coming team with all the major pieces in place aside from a top pairing RHD, world class city that is less than a 4hr drive from his home state
I'd be surprised if that was the case.

 

[Big Easy]

Hate to quote myself but...
Seems crazy that he wouldn't sign in TO.
Up-and-coming team with all the major pieces in place aside from a top pairing RHD, world class city that is less than a 4hr drive from his home state
I'd be surprised if that was the case.

The only city in the league closer to Detroit then Toronto is Columbus( I think). By a very small margin. My guess is he just wants out of the Peg.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

But that's my point- they look shiny at first, but playing- and staying- in the NHL is another matter entirely. Our mantra was HOPE; I suppose Winnipeg's should be DEVELOPMENT.



Well, actually, that would have likely helped the Jets; instead, they've bounced up and down the standings while only making the playoffs once. That's not a recipe for success.



Insulting me or the Oilers doesn't change Winnipeg's fortunes. I'm sorry you're unhappy with the facts, but you should perhaps direct your anger towards the team and not others who are simply pointing out the present (and past 16+ years) of affairs.



Err, I'm an STH in the loge level, and have never paid close to $100 for a dozen wings. My bill for a table of four is rarely in excess of $250, including drinks- about the same as one would pay at a restaurant. That gratuity isn't exactly hidden either; they tell you about it upon ordering and payment, and I'm fairly sure it's also in the tabletop menu.

In any event, I'd gladly pay that to watch McDavid et al in a bright new building versus the product the Jets ice.



Care to explain?



Yeah, this has been the Edmonton mantra since the Jani Rita days. This more than anything proves what I've been saying all along.

You appear to be fighting a battle that you alone care about.

Back to Trouba. This thread was about Trouba, right? Chevy will do something, he will either sign Trouba, sign him and trade him, or simply trade his rights. No need to get uptight about it all and start ragging on the organization. Jets fans are okay with the present circumstances of it, why should you care so much?

 

[10Ducky10]

Not exactly an echo of Oil's horrid development. Jets would have to dwell in the cellar for five more years and pick up a pile of 1st OA picks and screw up half of those to emulate Oilers lst 10 years. Oh, and then someone from Jetland would have to go on the HFBOards nad call another team inept. Without McJesus the Oilers would still be mired in the cellar, and even you must realize that to be true. Your attitude is well...interesting.

I couldn't have said it better myself...by the way, how did th eOilers do when McDavid was injured last year??? Did 1st overall pick Yakupov take a leadership role and pick up his game at all? You traded away one of your best players for a solid 2D for God's sake!

 

[BinCookin]

But that's my point- they look shiny at first, but playing- and staying- in the NHL is another matter entirely. Our mantra was HOPE; I suppose Winnipeg's should be DEVELOPMENT.

Came here to see if there was any news on Trouba.

Find a Debate where an Oiler fan is lecturing Jet's fans on Development?

Just wow.

In other news Trouba and Lindholm still not signed. Anyone see that piece by MacKenzie talking about the CAP hit penalty for signing late in the season?