Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[Paradise*]

Have we discussed Shattenkirk? This idea is kind of crazy but possible.

Trouba
for
Shattenkirk (plus something)

One of two things will happen...

(A) Winnipeg will re-trade Shattenkirk to a team looking to play him as a top pair RD.

(B) Winnipeg will move Myers or Byfuglien and extend Shattenkirk to be a top 4 RD in Winnipeg long term.

Shattenkirk discusses this with Cheveldayoff before the trade (with permission from STL) and agrees that so long as A or B happen by the trade deadline, he is willing to play on his off-side for the time being.

Enstrom - Byfuglien
Shattenkirk - Myers

Winnipeg's endgame here is a quality LHD for Trouba. Chevy either trades Shattenkirk for a LHD, or for several good assets which can be used to bring in a quality LHD. Or he extends Shattenkirk amd moves Myers/Byfuglien for a LHD.

And Blues D still looks great.

Bouwmeester - Pietrangelo
Edmundson - Trouba
Gunnarsson - Parayko

Shattenkirk is not an option. Don't see these divisional rivals making such an unnecessary deal.

BTW Shattenkirk was horrific on his off-side.

 

[Pongs21]

Have we discussed Shattenkirk? This idea is kind of crazy but possible.

Trouba
for
Shattenkirk (plus something)

One of two things will happen...

(A) Winnipeg will re-trade Shattenkirk to a team looking to play him as a top pair RD.

(B) Winnipeg will move Myers or Byfuglien and extend Shattenkirk to be a top 4 RD in Winnipeg long term.

Shattenkirk discusses this with Cheveldayoff before the trade (with permission from STL) and agrees that so long as A or B happen by the trade deadline, he is willing to play on his off-side for the time being.

Enstrom - Byfuglien
Shattenkirk - Myers

Winnipeg's endgame here is a quality LHD for Trouba. Chevy either trades Shattenkirk for a LHD, or for several good assets which can be used to bring in a quality LHD. Or he extends Shattenkirk amd moves Myers/Byfuglien for a LHD.

And Blues D still looks great.

Bouwmeester - Pietrangelo
Edmundson - Trouba
Gunnarsson - Parayko

We're already trying to do this with Trouba... Makes no sense to trade him for a soon to be UFA just to turn around to trade him too.

 

[Hunter368]

There is no way in Hell the Jets are giving up 4 years of Trouba for a UFA to be Shattenkirk, give your head a shake.

Agreed, going for Shattenkirk is just dumb.

 

[cneely]

Not "literally zero" like I said. And man all that leverage is doing wonders for the Jets. Mastermind Chevy is really doing an excellent job of actually winning isn't he.

injecting all the youth into the Jets lineup over the last couple of years indicates to me that the team is not really all that focused on winning now. It's about giving the kids some experience and developing them. I think their competitive window opens in a year or two. Chevy can afford to be patient.

 

[Liferleafer]

There is no way in Hell the Jets are giving up 4 years of Trouba for a UFA to be Shattenkirk, give your head a shake.

It would seem (at the moment) that the Jets have zero years of Trouba...not that i agree with trading for Shatty.

 

[inthe6ix]

I like how Chevy and Yzerman do business - would rather let their players rot and get specifically what they want before moving them.

Doesn't sound like Trouba has any intention of returning to the Jets lineup - ever.

 

[Whileee]

It would seem (at the moment) that the Jets have zero years of Trouba...not that i agree with trading for Shatty.

Right, and the Ducks have "zero years" of Lindholm. Seriously, I wonder about some perspectives on this Board.

 

[Liferleafer]

Right, and the Ducks have "zero years" of Lindholm. Seriously, I wonder about some perspectives on this Board.

Lindholm hasn't requested a trade. And until Trouba signs in Winnepeg, then you have zero years.....

 

[johnsic]

If I was Leafs I would do Kapanen, Carrick and 2nd for Trouba.

 

[Hunter368]

If I was Leafs I would do Kapanen, Carrick and 2nd for Trouba.

I'm sure you would, of course Chevy would have zero interest b/c that offers doesn't fill a single need

 

[lomiller1]

It would seem (at the moment) that the Jets have zero years of Trouba...

Because he’s going to retire if he isn’t traded?

If I was Leafs I would do Kapanen, Carrick and 2nd for Trouba.

Of course the Leafs would. Jets just laugh at the offer.

Also, why are Leafs fans making trade offers for a guy who doesn’t want to play in Canada? Do they not realize that Toronto is still in Canada?

 

[Stream*]

If I was Leafs I would do Kapanen, Carrick and 2nd for Trouba.

And if I was Jets I would do petan, postma, and a 3rd for Rielly.

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think Hextall is planning a big move, but for cap reasons MacDonald + Sanheim for Trouba + Stuart could make sense for the Flyers.

The Jets take on a big contract, but they also get rid of a decent chunk of change in Stuart, who the Flyers would send to the AHL creating $3,325,000 in cap space. And MacDonald would be an upgrade for the Jets third pairing.

Their may also have to be an exchange of forwards to even things up (Read for Burmistrov?), but I think there's a basis there for a deal if the Jets are high on Sanheim.

 

[Hunter368]

And if I was Jets I would do petan, postma, and a 3rd for Rielly.

Agreed.

Some of the garbage offers posted for Trouba are comical. That Leaf one was bad, but not the worse I've seen. The Habs fan who posted DD & Emelin was likely the worse one. Lol

 

[Liferleafer]

Because he’s going to retire if he isn’t traded?

Of course the Leafs would. Jets just laugh at the offer.

Also, why are Leafs fans making trade offers for a guy who doesn’t want to play in Canada? Do they not realize that Toronto is still in Canada?

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2016...ve-a-contract-therefore-he-is-not-holding-out

Technically, he doesn't have a contract. He is essentially a RFA, he can sign anywhere....the team that signs him would have to give compensation as per the CBA. He could also play in Europe. so no, i doubt he will retire.

 

[Evil Little]

If that's the case, it should be Chevy's last year. A GM who can't turn the players and especially D he has into at least an 8th seed deserves to be canned.

Wait, so the GM should get fired because there are too many good players on the team?

I don't think Hextall is planning a big move, but for cap reasons MacDonald + Sanheim for Trouba + Stuart could make sense for the Flyers.

The Jets take on a big contract, but they also get rid of a decent chunk of change in Stuart, who the Flyers would send to the AHL creating $3,325,000 in cap space. And MacDonald would be an upgrade for the Jets third pairing.

Their may also have to be an exchange of forwards to even things up (Read for Burmistrov?), but I think there's a basis there for a deal if the Jets are high on Sanheim.

Sorry. The Flyers are married to MacDonald. You're sending out him and Sanheim together for a couple of 2nds. Maybe Provorov, even.

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2016...ve-a-contract-therefore-he-is-not-holding-out

Technically, he doesn't have a contract. He is essentially a RFA, he can sign anywhere....the team that signs him would have to give compensation as per the CBA. He could also play in Europe. so no, i doubt he will retire.

He's not going to sign an offer sheet because the Jets would just match it.

 

[Liferleafer]

And if I was Jets I would do petan, postma, and a 3rd for Rielly.

Great...talk to us when Rielly isn't signed to his contract and has asked to be traded.

 

[Hunter368]

I don't think Hextall is planning a big move, but for cap reasons MacDonald + Sanheim for Trouba + Stuart could make sense for the Flyers.

The Jets take on a big contract, but they also get rid of a decent chunk of change in Stuart, who the Flyers would send to the AHL creating $3,325,000 in cap space. And MacDonald would be an upgrade for the Jets third pairing.

Their may also have to be an exchange of forwards to even things up (Read for Burmistrov?), but I think there's a basis there for a deal if the Jets are high on Sanheim.

I don't see Chevy doing all that for a unproven prospect

 

[Brock Radunske]

And if I was Jets I would do petan, postma, and a 3rd for Rielly.

While I agree with your point that the value was bad for the Jets...

Kapanen>Petan
Carrick>Postma
2nd>3rd

And

Rielly>Trouba

So as bad as his proposal was, yours is much worse.

 

[Curufinwe]

Sorry. The Flyers are married to MacDonald. You're sending out him and Sanheim together for a couple of 2nds. Maybe Provorov, even.

There's not the kind of Bickell-esque cap crunch that necessitates that kind of move, so at worst they will just hang on to MacDonald till summer 2019 when he can be cheaply bought out. He's getting 19 minutes a game at the moment, but we'll see what happens when MDZ and Gudas get back.

I actually have a question about the Jets D. Are there other players missing apart from Trouba, or are Chiarot, Stuart and Postma 5-8 on the depth chart?

 

[Maukkis]

There's not the kind of Bickell-esque cap crunch that necessitates that kind of move, so at worst they will just hang on to MacDonald till summer 2019 when he can be cheaply bought out. He's getting 19 minutes a game at the moment, but we'll see what happens when MDZ and Gudas get back.

I actually have a question about the Jets D. Are there other players missing apart from Trouba, or are Chiarot, Stuart and Postma 5-8 on the depth chart?

Nope.

As for your proposal, MacDonald is an automatic no unless Provorov comes with him. We're not taking him as a cap dump. Other cap dumps can be discussed, but Mac goes beyond a bad contract.

 

[CaptainChef]

Right, and the Ducks have "zero years" of Lindholm. Seriously, I wonder about some perspectives on this Board.

The longer Lindholm holds out the greater the chances that a Trouba + trade will actually happen.

Jets do Trouba + Dano for Lindholm all day IMO. If Ana needs to throw in a cap dump like Stoner, probably still do it.

Including Stoner gives Ana more than enough to sign Trouba for whatever his request is (and its clear that he wouldn't go anywhere before a contract had been worked out beforehand with that team in any case). Despite what folks may think of Dano, he's a huge add for ANA -- more than capable to play NOW on Ana's top 6.

If there was ever a team that needs to be in a "win now" mode, its Anaheim. Getz, Perry & Kesler won't be in their primes much longer, beyond those three I see very little forward prospects that could lead them to the promised land.

Some will argue, why Trouba when we can just go Lindholm for ~ the same $. Well for whatever reason they have not been able to negotiate a deal & still a lot of $$ issues to work out. The way its looking now, to get Lindholm signed, they may need to get rid of Vatannen or Fowler.

So pick your poison: Lindholm - Vatannen/Fowler - Dano or Trouba + Vatannen/Fowler + Dano. I know which one of those I'd chose.

 

[Curufinwe]

We don't really have any other smaller cap dumps with contracts like Mark Stuart.

 

[Evil Little]

There's not the kind of Bickell-esque cap crunch that necessitates that kind of move, so at worst they will just hang on to MacDonald till summer 2019 when he can be cheaply bought out. He's getting 19 minutes a game at the moment, but we'll see what happens when MDZ and Gudas get back.

I actually have a question about the Jets D. Are there other players missing apart from Trouba, or are Chiarot, Stuart and Postma 5-8 on the depth chart?

That's obviously the best course of action for the Flyers. The price of cap space right now is high.

You're basically correct. Morrissey's in the top 4 now, though, so it would be 6 through 8 if you include Trouba. I'd also put Postma at the top, but that may be due to his handedness (the top of Maurice's list; he's at the top of mine because he's better).

 

[Liferleafer]

The longer Lindholm holds out the greater the chances that a Trouba + trade will actually happen.

Jets do Trouba + Dano for Lindholm all day IMO. If Ana needs to throw in a cap dump like Stoner, probably still do it.

Including Stoner gives Ana more than enough to sign Trouba for whatever his request is (and its clear that he wouldn't go anywhere before a contract had been worked out beforehand with that team in any case). Despite what folks may think of Dano, he's a huge add for ANA -- more than capable to play NOW on Ana's top 6.

If there was ever a team that needs to be in a "win now" mode, its Anaheim. Getz, Perry & Kesler won't be in their primes much longer, beyond those three I see very little forward prospects that could lead them to the promised land.

Some will argue, why Trouba when we can just go Lindholm for ~ the same $. Well for whatever reason they have not been able to negotiate a deal & still a lot of $$ issues to work out. The way its looking now, to get Lindholm signed, they may need to get rid of Vatannen or Fowler.

So pick your poison: Lindholm - Vatannen/Fowler - Dano or Trouba + Vatannen/Fowler + Dano. I know which one of those I'd chose.

Wait, so the Ducks are going to trade the better player whom they don't wish to pay for an unsigned Trouba that they won't want to pay? Ya, makes perfect sense.