Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Agreed. It will be a package of lesser assets, especially now, after the season starts, with cap constraints and an expansion draft coming. Chevy misplayed his hand and should have traded Trouba around the draft when teams had more flexibility, he would have received a better return then.

More then likely the kind of young D men that Cheveldayoff would be seeing would be Ian Provorov, Travis Sanheim, Noah Hanifin guys like that and their GMs just aren't going to deal those kind of assets period. Especially if Trouba is seeking between $5 million to $6 million per long term. I don't see either Francis or Hextall giving up their young promising D men for Trouba. This is why pretty much Cheveldayoff's 1 for 1 philosophy is flawed here.

 

[broc]

Agreed. It will be a package of lesser assets, especially now, after the season starts, with cap constraints and an expansion draft coming. Chevy misplayed his hand and should have traded Trouba around the draft when teams had more flexibility, he would have received a better return then.

Um, I think we'll go with what all the insiders are saying:

Chevy will get his exact price or Trouba won't be dealt. Management and ownership fully support him with this.

Trouba won't be dealt for your "lesser assets"... he will be back in a Jets uniform before that happens.

Your statement is quite frankly, wrong.

 

[broc]

I have a feeling Trouba signs before the December deadline.

His agent will eventually have to tell him, trading him will be easier after the expansion draft, when teams needn't worry about roster protection. So suck it up, because the money you lose for not playing a whole year, will not make up for the money you make afterwards.

His agent is hurting him here. Trouba has literally ZERO leverage. There will be no panic type deal.

 

[Curufinwe]

I hope he's traded soon and I hope the Jets get good value, unless he's traded to Philly. It's not good for the league to have top young talent sitting on the couch.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I have a feeling Trouba signs before the December deadline.

His agent will eventually have to tell him, trading him will be easier after the expansion draft, when teams needn't worry about roster protection. So suck it up, because the money you lose for not playing a whole year, will not make up for the money you make afterwards.

His agent is hurting him here. Trouba has literally ZERO leverage. There will be no panic type deal.

You are either misunderstanding the meaning of "literally" or the concept of ZERO. Or just being overly optimistic. Of course he has leverage. A lot? Nope, but it's an absolute fact that the team isn't as good without him as they are with him. Or, if you want to make that argument, then his value around the league is very small and you need to bring down your expectations of a great return.

Can't have it both ways. Either he's a very good young player and the team is missing him... which means he has some leverage. Or he's not very good and the team his value around the league is that of a replacement level player, since that's who you have in your lineup now instead of him.

 

[North]

You are either misunderstanding the meaning of "literally" or the concept of ZERO. Or just being overly optimistic. Of course he has leverage. A lot? Nope, but it's an absolute fact that the team isn't as good without him as they are with him. Or, if you want to make that argument, then his value around the league is very small and you need to bring down your expectations of a great return.

Can't have it both ways. Either he's a very good young player and the team is missing him... which means he has some leverage. Or he's not very good and the team his value around the league is that of a replacement level player, since that's who you have in your lineup now instead of him.

Yes the team misses him but that doesn't equal leverage for him.

The team knew they weren't contending even with him in the lineup.

We are integrating 4 rookies into the lineup, this was always going to be a work in progress season.

The thing is, Trouba doesn't have leverage for that reason.

The Jets are willing to wait it out until they get the deal they want.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Yes the team misses him but that doesn't equal leverage for him.

The team knew they weren't contending even with him in the lineup.

We are integrating 4 rookies into the lineup, this was always going to be a work in progress season.

The thing is, Trouba doesn't have leverage for that reason.

The Jets are willing to wait it out until they get the deal they want.

I'm sorry but yes that exactly means he has some leverage. A lot? Enough to force WPG to settle for a lousy offer? Of course not. But this idea that the team misses him but that means he doesn't have leverage is completely self-contradictory.

By definition if the team misses him, he has SOME leverage.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Just floating it out there, what about Klefbom straight up assuming that he'd sign with Edmonton? IMO in a vacuum Trouba has more value as a player but he won't be signing as cheap of a deal as Klefbom is on now.

 

[North]

I'm sorry but yes that exactly means he has some leverage. A lot? Enough to force WPG to settle for a lousy offer? Of course not. But this idea that the team misses him but that means he doesn't have leverage is completely self-contradictory.

By definition if the team misses him, he has SOME leverage.

Leverage implies he has something to use to his advantage.

Just because the team misses him doesn't mean anything advantageous to him.

So he can keep sitting in Michigan feeling good about the fact the team misses him but he can't use it to help his situation.

 

[North]

Just floating it out there, what about Klefbom straight up assuming that he'd sign with Edmonton? IMO in a vacuum Trouba has more value as a player but he won't be signing as cheap of a deal as Klefbom is on now.

I really like Klefbom but Edmonton would do wise to keep him and Larsson as their top pair.

That is a solid affordable pairing right there and will help keep the cap manageable for Edmonton.

I'm not sure that Klefbom would be enough for Trouba even with a nice contract.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Just floating it out there, what about Klefbom straight up assuming that he'd sign with Edmonton? IMO in a vacuum Trouba has more value as a player but he won't be signing as cheap of a deal as Klefbom is on now.

Klefbom straight up for Trouba was pretty much what i was saying as well. I think the only way Trouba would wind up in Edmonton is in a 1 for 1 deal involving Klefbom. The only thing is the Klefbom has a sweetheart deal and Trouba is seeking more then the Klefbom deal.

 

[aj8000]

You are either misunderstanding the meaning of "literally" or the concept of ZERO. Or just being overly optimistic. Of course he has leverage. A lot? Nope, but it's an absolute fact that the team isn't as good without him as they are with him. Or, if you want to make that argument, then his value around the league is very small and you need to bring down your expectations of a great return.

Can't have it both ways. Either he's a very good young player and the team is missing him... which means he has some leverage. Or he's not very good and the team his value around the league is that of a replacement level player, since that's who you have in your lineup now instead of him.

He has as much leverage as an injured player. I suspect that the jets are waiting for the phone call saying he will sign a contract. The contract the jets offer will be multi year at the lower end of the comparables, Trouba will have his choice to sign or sit.

 

[aj8000]

I'm sorry but yes that exactly means he has some leverage. A lot? Enough to force WPG to settle for a lousy offer? Of course not. But this idea that the team misses him but that means he doesn't have leverage is completely self-contradictory.

By definition if the team misses him, he has SOME leverage.

So he has some leverage that will get him nothing in return. that helps him how?

 

[Boxertim]

I'm hoping Chevy said 'sign by the start of the season or we will talk a) next year b) if we trade you'

This way he makes a point and doesn't have to cover Trouba in the expansion draft....unless he still does....if so, then never mind.

 

[aj8000]

I'm hoping Chevy said 'sign by the start of the season or we will talk a) next year b) if we trade you'

This way he makes a point and doesn't have to cover Trouba in the expansion draft....unless he still does....if so, then never mind.

He does need to protect him; so per your request, I will ignore your comment.

 

[cobra427]

You keep making that claim in these Trouba threads, but lacking any resolution in the matter, you have no basis to make any absolute statements such as the above.

There is no resolution until he signs, sits, or is traded. We are all speculating until something happens, we all have the same "basis". When guys publicly want out, the return goes down, just the way it works.

 

[aj8000]

There is no resolution until he signs, sits, or is traded. We are all speculating until something happens, we all have the same "basis". When guys publicly want out, the return goes down, just the way it works.

Yes, that is the great thing about discussion forums, we all get to speculate

 

[Lurch]

He has as much leverage as an injured player. I suspect that the jets are waiting for the phone call saying he will sign a contract. The contract the jets offer will be multi year at the lower end of the comparables, Trouba will have his choice to sign or sit.

LOL at Jets fans lamenting that decent players don't want to sign with them. Then they spout this nonsense. We will pay you less than your fair value (in a very high tax market), get no endorsement deals in our small market, and you will do it because we own you not only for your RFA years, but we want you undervalued in your UFA years as well.

This should work well for your franchise long term.

I still hope he signs the one year QO and eats the 1 year loss and then forces arbitration so the Jets have to buy 1-2 year contracts at market price until he gets to UFA. Any team that is afraid of their players having arbitration rights is a team that doesn't treat its players well or even fairly.

 

[Maukkis]

LOL at Jets fans lamenting that decent players don't want to sign with them. Then they spout this nonsense. We will pay you less than your fair value (in a very high tax market), get no endorsement deals in our small market, and you will do it because we own you not only for your RFA years, but we want you undervalued in your UFA years as well.

This should work well for your franchise long term.

I still hope he signs the one year QO and eats the 1 year loss and then forces arbitration so the Jets have to buy 1-2 year contracts at market price until he gets to UFA. Any team that is afraid of their players having arbitration rights is a team that doesn't treat its players well or even fairly.

I'm pretty sure that Trouba's aim isn't to stay here for four/five more years.

 

[aj8000]

LOL at Jets fans lamenting that decent players don't want to sign with them. Then they spout this nonsense. We will pay you less than your fair value (in a very high tax market), get no endorsement deals in our small market, and you will do it because we own you not only for your RFA years, but we want you undervalued in your UFA years as well.

This should work well for your franchise long term.

I still hope he signs the one year QO and eats the 1 year loss and then forces arbitration so the Jets have to buy 1-2 year contracts at market price until he gets to UFA. Any team that is afraid of their players having arbitration rights is a team that doesn't treat its players well or even fairly.

Bitter much?

He will not get arbitration if he sits, the jets will not offer him a one year contract, the QO has expired so he cannot sign it, very unlikely he gets traded until he signs, and he is getting FMV if the contract is within the comparables, the only reason it will be closer to the bottom is to facilitate a trade.

keep on laughing and maybe read the QO rules next time before you post.

 

[antiqueslivers]

buff, perrault, wheeler, schief...... these are not decent players?

 

[Snowman]

There is no resolution until he signs, sits, or is traded. We are all speculating until something happens, we all have the same "basis". When guys publicly want out, the return goes down, just the way it works.

The thing is that you can't actually provide any proof that a player's value goes down just because he requested a trade because there isn't any. Feel free to keep dreaming that you'll get Trouba at a huge discount, just try to understand it won't happen. It's just the way it works when one party has zero leverage.

We heard all the same crap before the Kane trade and Chevy made a killing on that one. So, keep grasping at them straws.

 

[cobra427]

The thing is that you can't actually provide any proof that a player's value goes down just because he requested a trade because there isn't any. Feel free to keep dreaming that you'll get Trouba at a huge discount, just try to understand it won't happen. It's just the way it works when one party has zero leverage.

We heard all the same crap before the Kane trade and Chevy made a killing on that one. So, keep grasping at them straws.

I'm not dreaming about getting Trouba at a huge discount. Chevy will get fair value, Player/pick/prospect, not a young LHD. Timing has a lot to do with value in a trade. Most trades occur in the summer or around the draft because that is when teams have the most flexibility. Good luck getting a better deal now when there are less bidders, and I don't think you can dispute that.

 

[CaptainChef]

I'm sorry but yes that exactly means he has some leverage. A lot? Enough to force WPG to settle for a lousy offer? Of course not. But this idea that the team misses him but that means he doesn't have leverage is completely self-contradictory.

By definition if the team misses him, he has SOME leverage.

OK, how about this then: team has 95% of the leverage; Trouba has 5%. Thats about what your "some" is worth.

 

[Snowman]

I'm not dreaming about getting Trouba at a huge discount. Chevy will get fair value, Player/pick/prospect, not a young LHD. Timing has a lot to do with value in a trade. Most trades occur in the summer or around the draft because that is when teams have the most flexibility. Good luck getting a better deal now when there are less bidders, and I don't think you can dispute that.

Well, according to the hockey insiders, there is no shortage of teams interested in Trouba even now and the Jets aren't on a deadline to make a trade. So, Chevy will get what he wants or he won't make a trade.