Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[gwh]

That's a joke. He nearly made the Wings, it was between him and Athanasiou. He's got 6 goals in 4 games in the AHL so far.

Excellent. Wild can claim him 2018 waivers, after Wings marinade him in the dumbster for 3 years.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I was against trading Gardiner but we need some top-4 grit.

Gardiner
Kapanen/Leipsic
2017 1st (top 10 protected)

For

Trouba
B prospect

 

[Mad Brills*]

Yeah, it's been 3 weeks since his request, and only around 6 until the deadline comes for him to sign.

I'd imagine he won't sit out the year.

 

[Maukkis]

I was against trading Gardiner but we need some top-4 grit.

Gardiner
Kapanen/Leipsic
2017 1st (top 10 protected)

For

Trouba
B prospect

Drop Kapanen and the protection and you might have something.

 

[These Are The Days]

Maybe I don't know the situation that well enough but if Trouba would be willing to stay if it meant playing the side he wanted then why in God's name are the Jets being this stubborn about it?

A coach ought to listen to his players sometimes. It nearly got the Lightning back to the Stanley Cup Finals when Cooper stopped the tough love act with Drouin. The spoiled brat who was supposed to be wrong about everything has consistently been our best player since his holdout.

I guess the point is that a coach should not always be the end all be all. Players DO know what they're talking about sometimes.

 

[WaveRaven]

Its not about usage. Its not about money. He wants out but doesnt want to outright say it. They wont even talk contract term/dollars at all

It wont go all year and I just dont see him signing here. My guess is he traded in the next 4 to 5 weeks.

 

[pictman]

Maybe I don't know the situation that well enough but if Trouba would be willing to stay if it meant playing the side he wanted then why in God's name are the Jets being this stubborn about it?

A coach ought to listen to his players sometimes. It nearly got the Lightning back to the Stanley Cup Finals when Cooper stopped the tough love act with Drouin. The spoiled brat who was supposed to be wrong about everything has consistently been our best player since his holdout.

I guess the point is that a coach should not always be the end all be all. Players DO know what they're talking about sometimes.

In an interview with Hustler and Lawlessness it became very apparent he just wants out.They haven't even listened to an offer.This is a trade me or I don't play negotiation

 

[GoJetsGo55]

In an interview with Hustler and Lawlessness it became very apparent he just wants out.They haven't even listened to an offer.This is a trade me or I don't play negotiation

Said interview:

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-1290/overhardt-trouba-wants-to-realize-his-potential-1.574329

 

[These Are The Days]

Thanks for the link. Feels a lot like Marty St. Louis all over again. Sounds like he wants out all together and the issue at the right side is what started it but lost his patience all together on the issue. Sounds like he's done with all management.

 

[Guffman]

Maybe I don't know the situation that well enough but if Trouba would be willing to stay if it meant playing the side he wanted then why in God's name are the Jets being this stubborn about it?

A coach ought to listen to his players sometimes. It nearly got the Lightning back to the Stanley Cup Finals when Cooper stopped the tough love act with Drouin. The spoiled brat who was supposed to be wrong about everything has consistently been our best player since his holdout.

I guess the point is that a coach should not always be the end all be all. Players DO know what they're talking about sometimes.

Maybe the player should fight for the right by earning it on-ice?

Besides, most people doubt that is the actual reason for this.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah, it's been 3 weeks since his request, and only around 6 until the deadline comes for him to sign.

I'd imagine he won't sit out the year.

How do you figure? His request goes back to May, It was only 3 weeks ago that we learned that he requested a trade period.

 

[Evil Little]

because tyler myers is the better player right now. if he wasnt then trouba would have been playing that side over him. imo

Disagree.

Myers adds some degree of offensive threat to the pairing, but is generally carried by Enström defensively.

Trouba did all the heavy lifting on the 'shut-down' pair and put up excellent 5-on-5 scoring on top of it.

No comparison.

 

[Jeti]

Detroit receives: Jacob Trouba
Winnipeg receives: Anthony Mantha, 2016 2nd rounder

Add Dekeyser and make the 2nd a 1st. Even then it's quantity for quality and the Jets are a worse team both now and in the future, but at least it's a somewhat reasonable conclusion to this. Your proposal isn't even close.

 

[Russian Factor]

Add Dekeyser and make the 2nd a 1st. Even then it's quantity for quality and the Jets are a worse team both now and in the future, but at least it's a somewhat reasonable conclusion to this. Your proposal isn't even close.

So you think Jacob Trouba, unsigned at this point, is worth Danny DeKeyser, Anthony Mantha, and a 1st round draft pick. That is an interesting opinion.

 

[Russian Factor]

Olli Maatta + Eric Fehr for Jacob Trouba + Dano.

 

[Maukkis]

Olli Maatta + Eric Fehr for Jacob Trouba + Dano.

Nope. I'd like someone who can stay healthy, and I'm certainly not taking Fehr back and giving Dano with Trouba.

 

[Hunter368]

Olli Maatta + Eric Fehr for Jacob Trouba + Dano.

Zero need or interest in Fehr.

No way we add Dano for Olli.

Pass

 

[Jeti]

So you think Jacob Trouba, unsigned at this point, is worth Danny DeKeyser, Anthony Mantha, and a 1st round draft pick. That is an interesting opinion.

Dekeyser is an average #4, Mantha isn't much of a prospect, so yeah, there'd better be a first there. Still quantity for quality. Detroit is still getting what would be their best defenseman by far for pieces they could afford to lose in that case. Winnipeg is inarguably worse now and (barring some crazy luck with the pick) in the future as well.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So you think Jacob Trouba, unsigned at this point, is worth Danny DeKeyser, Anthony Mantha, and a 1st round draft pick. That is an interesting opinion.

If Trouba in Detroit was willing to sign for the DeKeyser deal, 6 years $30 million in which i think he would. Then yes Danny DeKeyser+Anthony Mantha+Detroit 2017 1st round pick is way more then fair for Trouba. If Holland will willing to offer this package then Trouba would already be signed to a reasonable contract before this package was offered.

 

[Sweech]

That's a joke. He nearly made the Wings, it was between him and Athanasiou. He's got 6 goals in 4 games in the AHL so far.

That's cool and all, but the Jets have young forwards coming out the whazoo already. Mantha would be doing for the Jets exactly what he's doing for Detroit - playing in the AHL.

Is he a better LW than Ehlers, Connor, or Laine? No? Then this doesn't do anything for the Jets. Adding someone to compete for an AHL job with Petan, De Leo, Dano, Lemieux, Copp, Roslovic, etc. is not high on the Jet's list of priorities.

 

[Gump Hasek]

If Trouba in Detroit was willing to sign for the DeKeyser deal, 6 years $30 million in which i think he would. Then yes Danny DeKeyser+Anthony Mantha+Detroit 2017 1st round pick is way more then fair for Trouba. If Holland will willing to offer this package then Trouba would already be signed to a reasonable contract before this package was offered.

You might think that it is a fair package; the reports thus far though have Chevy seeking a 1-1 hockey deal for an NHL player of equivalent talent - not a downgrade and a bunch of stuff they don't need. Picks and prospects don't cut it in this case; they don't have much value to a team with a stacked pipeline as it is, and especially relative to an NHL player of Trouba's caliber.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

You might think that it is a fair package; the reports thus far though have Chevy seeking a 1-1 hockey deal for an NHL player of equivalent talent - not a downgrade and a bunch of stuff they don't need. Picks and prospects don't cut it in this case; they don't have much value to a team with a stacked pipeline as it is, and especially relative to an NHL player of Trouba's caliber.

You ask me right now? How many 1 for 1 are out there that Chevy can get for Trouba, I can tell you it's more then likely not to many. More then likely any young LHD that teams have say Philly and Carolina no way are they going to move those players for Trouba. I see like Krug and Gardiner Boston and Toronto would've to add even for a Lindholm deal Winnipeg would've to add. Maybe a Maatta for Trouba that might be the only 1 for 1 deal. Cheveldayoff isn't being realistic here the odds that he gets a 1 for 1 equivalent deal for Trouba isn't realistic at all.

 

[Gump Hasek]

You ask me right now? How many 1 for 1 are out there that Chevy can get for Trouba, I can tell you it's more then likely not to many. More then likely any young LHD that teams have say Philly and Carolina no way are they going to move those players for Trouba. I see like Krug and Gardiner Boston and Toronto would've to add even for a Lindholm deal Winnipeg would've to add. Maybe a Maatta for Trouba that might be the only 1 for 1 deal. Cheveldayoff isn't being realistic here the odds that he gets a 1 for 1 equivalent deal for Trouba isn't realistic at all.

They obviously want to be made whole in the return, period, and don't have to sell their asset at a price that you deem to be fair. They clearly want to either be compensated fully for the loss or to re-sign the player and eventually move him on their own terms, not Overhardt's.

 

[cobra427]

You ask me right now? How many 1 for 1 are out there that Chevy can get for Trouba, I can tell you it's more then likely not to many. More then likely any young LHD that teams have say Philly and Carolina no way are they going to move those players for Trouba. I see like Krug and Gardiner Boston and Toronto would've to add even for a Lindholm deal Winnipeg would've to add. Maybe a Maatta for Trouba that might be the only 1 for 1 deal. Cheveldayoff isn't being realistic here the odds that he gets a 1 for 1 equivalent deal for Trouba isn't realistic at all.

Agreed. It will be a package of lesser assets, especially now, after the season starts, with cap constraints and an expansion draft coming. Chevy misplayed his hand and should have traded Trouba around the draft when teams had more flexibility, he would have received a better return then.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Agreed. It will be a package of lesser assets, especially now, after the season starts, with cap constraints and an expansion draft coming. Chevy misplayed his hand and should have traded Trouba around the draft when teams had more flexibility, he would have received a better return then.

You keep making that claim in these Trouba threads, but lacking any resolution in the matter, you have no basis to make any absolute statements such as the above.