Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[Ezekial]

Here is a question for some Detroit fans, or at least for those that claim he would prefer to play there. If he wants to play at home in Detroit, why does he live in Florida in the off-season? He owns a home there and resides there; it is his primary residence. If he wants to play at home, then Chevy had better get on the phone with Tampa.

I don't know if he wants to play in Detroit, I'm just basing it off of the speculation. I'd imagine he has family lives in the area, but I have no idea. Hometown =/= place where he currently resides.

As to him living in Florida, it's nice weather, and he's 22 years old. I was just saying that it wouldn't be unheard of that he would want to play in Detroit. It isn't just a **** city and a **** organization as was alluded to.

 

[Claypool]

Here is a question for some Detroit fans, or at least for those that claim he would prefer to play there. If he wants to play at home in Detroit, why does he live in Florida in the off-season? He owns a home there and resides there; it is his primary residence. If he wants to play at home, then Chevy had better get on the phone with Tampa.

He's a Michigan kid, don't fool yourself. I'm sure Zach Werenski and Kyle Conner would love to play for Detroit, too, if they had the freedom to do so.

 

[Gump Hasek]

He's a Michigan kid, don't fool yourself. I'm sure Zach Werenski and Kyle Conner would love to play for Detroit, too, if they had the freedom to do so.

A Michigan kid that now lives/ resides in Florida. I think the Detroit talk is more that the Wings need D versus any preference from Trouba to play there.

 

[Whileee]

He's a Michigan kid, don't fool yourself. I'm sure Zach Werenski and Kyle Conner would love to play for Detroit, too, if they had the freedom to do so.

Sure, and Toews and Hamonic would love to play in Winnipeg, but we're not holding our breath....

 

[vipernsx]

This is a different ownership group than Arizona had during the Turris situation. I don't see it ending the same way. The bad situation of him wanting out doesn't mean that Chevy will panic and trade for a 29yr old who has numbers that border the difference between 2nd and 3rd pairing.

Maloney wasn't panicking either, Turris didn't sign until 19 games into the season. The ownership wasn't keeping him from paying Turrisl. Overhardt and Turris wanted Turris out and forced the Yotes into a bad situation. The Yotes ended with what amounted even less then what you state above. I like Chevy and have applaud on this board, however Maloney his highly touted as a solid GM and I doubt Chevy will be able to outdo Maloney.

RHD and blueliners will have more takers, but if your a GM, do you want to deal with Overhardt? The GM of any receiving team will have to. I'd expect a similar outcome...Trouba will sign just prior to the 12/1 deadline, then he'll be dealt for less than ideal value.

 

[Whileee]

Maloney wasn't panicking either, Turris didn't sign until 19 games into the season. The ownership wasn't keeping him from paying Turrisl. Overhardt and Turris wanted Turris out and forced the Yotes into a bad situation. The Yotes ended with what amounted even less then what you state above. I like Chevy and have applaud on this board, however Maloney his highly touted as a solid GM and I doubt Chevy will be able to outdo Maloney.

RHD and blueliners will have more takers, but if your a GM, do you want to deal with Overhardt? The GM of any receiving team will have to. I'd expect a similar outcome...Trouba will sign just prior to the 12/1 deadline, then he'll be dealt for less than ideal value.

... a couple of thoughts.

First, Trouba has much greater value than Turris did when he was traded. Turris as 4 years from his draft, and hadn't really established himself as a top player. Trouba is already an established NHL RD with top-pairing numbers. The demand will be much higher than it was for Turris.

Second, Chevy and other GMs will likely have learned a lesson from Overhardt's previous modus operandi. I expect that before a trade is consummated Trouba's next contract will already be negotiated on terms favorable to the new team.

 

[vipernsx]

... a couple of thoughts.

First, Trouba has much greater value than Turris did when he was traded. Turris as 4 years from his draft, and hadn't really established himself as a top player. Trouba is already an established NHL RD with top-pairing numbers. The demand will be much higher than it was for Turris.

Second, Chevy and other GMs will likely have learned a lesson from Overhardt's previous modus operandi. I expect that before a trade is consummated Trouba's next contract will already be negotiated on terms favorable to the new team.

In recent history it's been Overhardt 3 - GMs 0

Turris got what he wanted (traded)
Dubinsky got what he wanted (money)
Johansen got what he wanted (money)

All three players are/were coming off of their Entry Level Contract, and each player had recorded career highs across the board. All three were supposed to be big pieces to their respective team's success as well.

http://www.sportsrumoralert.com/2014/09/a-brief-history-of-holdouts-by-kevin.html

Trouba wants a trade, he was considered to be a big piece of his club's future, he's coming off his ELC, and he's represented by Overhardt. The only thing he's missing is a career year and being a forward.

"both parties have been working on a trade since May, and not participating in contract negotiations. This despite general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff claiming earlier today that talks were ongoing "....."If proposed returns don’t match Chevy’s asking price, might this head in a Kyle Turris-esque direction (even some of the language used is similar)?"

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2016/9/24/13044516/winnipeg-jets-jacob-trouba-trade-request

Simply put, Chevy is not in a good situation and there's a lot in common with Turris.

 

[Randal61]

Chevy won't cave
He won't take an underpayment.
Trouba will sit if thats the case

 

[Whileee]

In recent history it's been Overhardt 3 - GMs 0

Turris got what he wanted (traded)
Dubinsky got what he wanted (money)
Johansen got what he wanted (money)

http://www.sportsrumoralert.com/2014/09/a-brief-history-of-holdouts-by-kevin.html

Trouba wants a trade, he was considered to be a big piece of his club's future, he's coming off his ELC, and he's represented by Overhardt. The only thing he's missing is a career year and being a forward.


http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2016/9/24/13044516/winnipeg-jets-jacob-trouba-trade-request

Simply put, Chevy is not in a good situation and there's a lot in common with Turris.

Trouba / Overhardt will almost certainly get what they want, which is a trade to a US-based team.

That doesn't mean that Chevy won't get a good return on a trade. The trade return will be based on: 1) Trouba's perceived value on the market; 2) the number of teams interested in him; 3) Trouba's willingness to sign a market-value contract.

According to multiple sources (most recently Friedman, McKenzie and McGuire) Trouba's trade value is high, and there are several teams vying to trade for him. It's not known whether Trouba is willing to sign a market-value contract, but this is where Chevy and any interested teams have leverage. As December 1 approaches Chevy will have some potential trades lined up and Trouba will have to decide whether he wants to be traded and play in the NHL this season, or hold out and lose an entire season of salary and an extra year before UFA.

It's instructive to note that although Johansen got concessions on his contract, the Jackets also got a very nice return on the trade (Seth Jones, a young, top-pairing RHD who now has a good contract for another 6 seasons).

Turris didn't return that much in a trade because he hadn't established a high trade value through his NHL experience before demanding a trade.

 

[tbcwpg]

Even if Trouba signs a bridge in late November, I don't think it's a sign he's traded soon. I think a long term contract makes that more likely.

Johansen and Dubinsky don't really apply here. They wanted money and not a trade - the only comparable is Turris and I don't think this goes that route. I do think that many Jets fans will be disappointed based on who they reject as not good enough on here, but I don't think that he's dealt for the sake of moving him out of the team like I think Turris was.

 

[jsalz16]

His agent keeps whining to the press about Trouba wanting to be the guy where he plays. Seems to me like he wants more offensive opportunities which he hasn't been getting with Buff and Myers on the right side and Trouba was given the PK responsibilities of the 3. Coaches solution was to move him to the left hand side with Buff on the first pairing, he doesn't want to play the left side.

Oh well, trade the kid and move on. We don't need to have people lingering around here if they don't want to be here. Plenty of others would be fine playing his minutes.

Agreed. Just don't get it. Good young team on the rise, by the time they're contenders alot could happen. Just play the left side for now ffs. I've been to Winnipeg in the winter. Why doesn't he grow a pair?

 

[Aavco Cup]

In recent history it's been Overhardt 3 - GMs 0

Turris got what he wanted (traded)
Dubinsky got what he wanted (money)
Johansen got what he wanted (money)



http://www.sportsrumoralert.com/2014/09/a-brief-history-of-holdouts-by-kevin.html

Trouba wants a trade, he was considered to be a big piece of his club's future, he's coming off his ELC, and he's represented by Overhardt. The only thing he's missing is a career year and being a forward.


http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2016/9/24/13044516/winnipeg-jets-jacob-trouba-trade-request

Simply put, Chevy is not in a good situation and there's a lot in common with Turris.

Turris also had to sign with the Coyotes on their terms, so he was underpaid quite a bit. The process seemed to alter his strategy for the next contract which he signed a year early. He likely would have been better off financially to wait, file for arbitration and play out the process. Perhaps he just wanted some certainty after going through what he did.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Chevy won't cave
He won't take an underpayment.
Trouba will sit if thats the case

I hope your confidence is well founded...

 

[Randal61]

I hope your confidence is well founded...

I believe he has to set the precedent for the "less desirable" markets.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

For the past several years the Rangers have been a very good defensive team who makes the playoffs. During that entire time Marc Staal has been getting top4 minutes. Relative to his team he's a top4 blueliner. His team, relative to the rest of the league, has been above average. Thorburn on the other hand has been bottom line minutes on an offensively stunted team who has been performing at the bottom of the league. Relative to his team he's a bottom line guy and his team relative to the rest of the league, is a low performer. While I appreciate your humor, I don't think your comparison is accurate.

Under normal circumstances, Marc Staal for Trouba is not a fair deal, these are not normal circumstances. Don Maloney didn't get an even deal for Turris when Overhardt played this game with the Coyotes. Now that he's doing it again with the Jets, I don't expect they'll fair much better. If even value was going to happen, the LHD version of Trouba would have been traded to Winnipeg already.

And for kickers I'll throw in a quote from Gary Lawless on NHL Radio - the Power Play yesterday, "real money matters in Winnipeg".....then I'll paraphrase how he went on to say "how it's not just the cap that matters but real dollars matter as if they have a budget to work with." That makes a difference when you're going to essentially waste 4.5m on a guy to not play. Converting that money into a guy who can play top4 minutes makes sense. On the flip side, the league salary cap has gone up to 73m. 12 years ago, before the cap was started, the Rangers payroll was over 76m. I think it's safe to say the Rangers are less concerned about actual money and managing under the salary cap is the limiter.

So because the Rangers play good defense, that means that Staal is a good d-man?

I am sure that it has everything to do with him and little to do with the fact that you've had a future HOF goalie in net for his entire tenure there.

Staal WAS a good defenseman until he took that puck to the eye. Since then, every time his name is mentioned by Rangers fans, it's been in a negative light.

No I don't watch his game so I cannot say he's terrible based on what I've seen.....but Rangers fans tear into him every time to check out a GDT.

You can try and spin it however you want but your post is nothing more than a vulture circling what it believes to be a dead corpse.

Case in point....and I quote: "Under normal circumstances, Marc Staal for Trouba is not a fair deal, these are not normal circumstances."

You know you're proposal is bad and you're trying to justify it under the assumption that Winnipeg needs to make a panic move. We don't.

If we did, I am sure we could find 50 better offers in a heartbeat.

Also, Lawless is garbage. Ask any Jets fan. He talks a big game but has very little to back it up. His credibility is slightly higher than that of tabloid news.

Jesus Christ! I thought he was making $4.5 for 3 more years.....he's making $5.7 until 2021. That's a NIGHTMARE!

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Johansen got what he wanted (money)

Johansen also got traded for Seth Jones

 

[Brock Radunske]

Johansen also got traded for Seth Jones

Seth Jones is a great young player and Clb is happy because he filled a need but make no mistake, Nashville for RyJo at a discount (75 cents on the dollar)

To summarize, you will get a great piece back for Trouba but it is very unlikely that you'll get 1 for 1 value.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

LA seems like it would make a lot of sense to trade for Trouba if the Kings have any assets that the Jets would be interested in.

 

[NarcoPolo]

LA seems like it would make a lot of sense to trade for Trouba if the Kings have any assets that the Jets would be interested in.

Too bad he would be playing behind doughty and he won't play anywhere where hes on the ice for less than 22 minutes a night.. Entitlement at its finest. Or he just hates the city of Winnipeg. In which case still entitled..

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Too bad he would be playing behind doughty and he won't play anywhere where hes on the ice for less than 22 minutes a night.. Entitlement at its finest. Or he just hates the city of Winnipeg. In which case still entitled..

Pretty sure he can get to 22 minutes a night even behind Doughty. 2nd pair with special teams shifts in LA considering what their 3rd pair looks like would be a pretty easy thing to accomplish.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Seth Jones is a great young player and Clb is happy because he filled a need but make no mistake, Nashville for RyJo at a discount (75 cents on the dollar)

To summarize, you will get a great piece back for Trouba but it is very unlikely that you'll get 1 for 1 value.

That's a very real possibility but 75 cents on the dollar is a lot better than most of the offers we've been seeing here lol.

 

[WesMcCauley]

So because the Rangers play good defense, that means that Staal is a good d-man?

I am sure that it has everything to do with him and little to do with the fact that you've had a future HOF goalie in net for his entire tenure there.

Staal WAS a good defenseman until he took that puck to the eye. Since then, every time his name is mentioned by Rangers fans, it's been in a negative light.

No I don't watch his game so I cannot say he's terrible based on what I've seen.....but Rangers fans tear into him every time to check out a GDT.

You can try and spin it however you want but your post is nothing more than a vulture circling what it believes to be a dead corpse.

Case in point....and I quote: "Under normal circumstances, Marc Staal for Trouba is not a fair deal, these are not normal circumstances."

You know you're proposal is bad and you're trying to justify it under the assumption that Winnipeg needs to make a panic move. We don't.

If we did, I am sure we could find 50 better offers in a heartbeat.

Also, Lawless is garbage. Ask any Jets fan. He talks a big game but has very little to back it up. His credibility is slightly higher than that of tabloid news.

Jesus Christ! I thought he was making $4.5 for 3 more years.....he's making $5.7 until 2021. That's a NIGHTMARE!

I would never trade Trouba for Staal if i were a Jets fan! Trouba is young and has alot of upside!
With that said, Staal has looked better than in many years so far this season! Nothing to complain about in his play so far, he even scored a goal the other night on a onetimer, which i dont think ive seen him do before lol. He is very solid in his own end though and always has been! He is a very solid top 4. Staals contract isnt that bad, its because we also have Girardi that the situation is a nightmare. Girardi is so bad its just dumb at this point.... Isnt close to beeing a NHL defensemen anymore, he is the biggest anchor in the league.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I would never trade Trouba for Staal if i were a Jets fan! Trouba is young and has alot of upside!
With that said, Staal has looked better than in many years so far this season! Nothing to complain about in his play so far, he even scored a goal the other night on a onetimer, which i dont think ive seen him do before lol. He is very solid in his own end though and always has been! He is a very solid top 4. Staals contract isnt that bad, its because we also have Girardi that the situation is a nightmare. Girardi is so bad its just dumb at this point.... Isnt close to beeing a NHL defensemen anymore, he is the biggest anchor in the league.

That's fair. Thanks for the input.

The 5.7 is a severe no go in my mind and if we're trading Trouba for someone with Staals offensive production, I would want them to be an absolute stud defensively.

I am glad that he is coming around for you guys though. I remember hearing his praises before the eye injury.

 

[KingDeathMetal]

Here's what I don't get...

WPG wants equal value for Trouba. They aren't going to receive it. But they also are probably not going to trade him either. Trouba claims it's not about money, but playing the right side.

So why the hell don't they just trade Tyler Myers and put Trouba on the right damn side? Unless they really think that Trouba will eventually just accept his role, but to me it just looks like a stalemat that will hurt both sides.

Getting less than equal value on a young stud like Trouba sucks, and I get why they wouldn't do that. OK, so isn't trading Myers for a LD and getting slightly less than equal value a much easier pill to swallow?

 

[Brock Radunske]

Here's what I don't get...

WPG wants equal value for Trouba. They aren't going to receive it. But they also are probably not going to trade him either. Trouba claims it's not about money, but playing the right side.

So why the hell don't they just trade Tyler Myers and put Trouba on the right damn side? Unless they really think that Trouba will eventually just accept his role, but to me it just looks like a stalemat that will hurt both sides.

Getting less than equal value on a young stud like Trouba sucks, and I get why they wouldn't do that. OK, so isn't trading Myers for a LD and getting slightly less than equal value a much easier pill to swallow?

That would be logical but I don't think the Jets brass believe him. They're pretty sure its all about not wanting to live in Winnipeg.