Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Don't get pissy because I don't want your 4th line grinder.

Fowler has value.

Lol a 6'3 Sheahan a 4th line grinder hardly. He'd definitely be better then most of your bottom 6 players any day.

 

[MikeRahl]

what about something like this

To Winnipeg
-Fowler
-Sheahan

To Anaheim
-Tatar

To Detroit
-Trouba

picks and/or prospects could be added to balance things if need be

why it could work
-trouba it sounds (again dregger yesterday) wants to play in detroit(its his top choice) with holland chevy already talking a # of times but detroit lacks the young top 4 LT dman the jets want to make a deal work
-the ducks shed salary to sign their own RFA's and add a young top line winger
-the wings shed enough salary to afford trouba and are able to deal from a position of strength to fill a hole

thoughts?

So the Ducks shed 1.2 million in salary and get another RFA fiasco next season? Detroit also has to get Trouba to sign at 4.7 (or less) and hope none of their players hit their bonuses for next year because of all their LTIR on the books.

These 3 way trades are the best!

 

[Hunter368]

What player(s) specifically do you desire?

Who knows, only Chevy knows who truly is available. But we can say Fowler is an extremely bad choice. Sooner trade Trouba for a very good young forward & lhd prospect then throwing away Trouba in a Fowler trade.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

It was reported that Chevy asked for two of your top forwards (likely Larkin, + AA who has past history playing with Scheifele) and that Holland blanched.

That is what they want. Something you can't afford to give.

100% agree with this, detroit(no team really) would give up larkin and aa or their equal to those two

 

[TCNorthstars]

I honestly don't even know at this point. The goalposts in my mind move every day.

I know that player isn't a 4th liner though.

Sheahan isn't a star, but he is far better than a 4th line grinder. I buy that he isn't a fit for the Jets.

It was reported (by Ansar Khan IIRC) that Chevy asked for two of your top forwards (likely Larkin, + AA who has past history playing with Scheifele) and that Holland blanched.

That is what they want. Something you can't afford to give.

Wasn't necessarily talking about the Wings, but you are right the Wings wouldn't want to give that up. I am talking you are ready to trade Trouba. Who do you go after?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Who knows, only Chevy knows who truly is available. But we can say Fowler is an extremely bad choice. Sooner trade Trouba for a very good young forward & lhd prospect then throwing away Trouba in a Fowler trade.

fair enough

examples of players please that fit the bill

 

[ellismate]

Yeah because no team would want a bruiser like Sheahan right. He's a David Backes type of player loves to hit people. Pretty sure Cheveldayoff would love to have a player like Sheahan.

We just put our nuclear option on waivers. We just don't have many needs other than a top 4 defenseman and probably a defensive prospect if the value doesn't match up. What winnipeg has zero need for right now though is bottom 6 forwards and right handed d.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Who knows, only Chevy knows who truly is available. But we can say Fowler is an extremely bad choice. Sooner trade Trouba for a very good young forward & lhd prospect then throwing away Trouba in a Fowler trade.

Ok, but who would YOU go after?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Yeah because no team would want a bruiser like Sheahan right. He's a David Backes type of player loves to hit people. Pretty sure Cheveldayoff would love to have a player like Sheahan.

Please explain to me where Sheahan's value is coming from.

He hits? Great.

He doesn't put up much production.

We have too many low production defensive guys as is. He's the last person we would be looking to acquire.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Wasn't necessarily talking about the Wings, but you are right the Wings wouldn't want to give that up. I am talking you are ready to trade Trouba. Who do you go after?

Fine. But what I am saying is that the high offer represents the extent of their willingness to trade Trouba.

Unless you overpay by a substantive amount (as represented in the offer), he isn't available.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

So the Ducks shed 1.2 million in salary and get another RFA fiasco next season? Detroit also has to get Trouba to sign at 4.7 (or less) and hope none of their players hit their bonuses for next year because of all their LTIR on the books.

These 3 way trades are the best!

sorry, how much salary do the ducks need to shed then to fit their RFA's into their budget? I assume you know 100% for sure

I am confident detroit could find a way to make their own cap work, we're the kings of the waiver wire are we not?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

It was reported (by Ansar Khan IIRC) that Chevy asked for two of your top forwards (likely Larkin, + AA who has past history playing with Scheifele) and that Holland blanched.

That is what they want. Something you can't afford to give.

Larkin alone has more value then Trouba plus adding AA on top of it. Who else is Winnipeg going to add. If Cheveldayoff thinks that Trouba is worth Larkin+Mantha/AA then he's delusional and not a very good GM. No team is going to give up a package like that for Trouba he will sit out and rot before that ever happens. Especially seeing that he's seeking around $6 million per long term.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Lol a 6'3 Sheahan a 4th line grinder hardly. He'd definitely be better then most of your bottom 6 players any day.

Would he?

Our 3rd line going into this season is Connor - Perreault - Stafford

Who's he beating out on that line?

The only way he makes it there is if Stafford moves up and Armia moves down and away from Laine. Then he can squeek in a 3rd line role if he is comfortable playing away from center.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Fine. But what I am saying is that the high offer represents the extent of their willingness to trade Trouba.

Unless you overpay by a substantive amount (as represented in the offer), he isn't available.

Their willingness to trade Trouba for forwards, no? Isn't the word that he wants a comparable LHD? What LHD would you go after that may be available?

 

[tbcwpg]

I'm higher on Fowler than a lot of other Jets fans but I don't want him as the centerpiece for a Trouba trade. He's only got 2 years left to UFA and the Jets are realistically about 2 years away from being a consistently good team. I have no problem considering Fowler as a return in a separate trade.

 

[cneely]

Lol a 6'3 Sheahan a 4th line grinder hardly. He'd definitely be better then most of your bottom 6 players any day.

The Jets will likely be running a third and 4th line of:

Connor - Perreault - Stafford
Matthias - Lowry - Armia

Plus they have Petan, Dano, Copp in the minors.

I like Sheahan but even the bottom six is hardly a weakness for the Jets. That's why Jets fans are holding out hope that Trouba can return a top 4 LHD. That is an area of weakness.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Please explain to me where Sheahan's value is coming from.

He hits? Great.

He doesn't put up much production.

We have too many low production defensive guys as is. He's the last person we would be looking to acquire.

Don't listen to that guy. I have to respond to you because I have him blocked, but Sheahan doesn't hit. He has a great shot and would score more if he would start to use it. He is slated to start on 2nd line wing. Be interesting to see how he does there. Like you said though, not a fit with you.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Their willingness to trade Trouba for forwards, no? Isn't the word that he wants a comparable LHD? What LHD would you go after that may be available?

I don't stand with many Jets fans here; they overstate the need for LHD, especially now that Morrissey looks to have seamlessly stepped into the rotation, currently on the top pair in fact alongside Byfuglien, and deservedly so.

If they needed LHD I'd trade for Lindholm and make it happen somehow by adding and taking something back as a dump.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

We just put our nuclear option on waivers. We just don't have many needs other than a top 4 defenseman and probably a defensive prospect if the value doesn't match up. What winnipeg has zero need for right now though is bottom 6 forwards and right handed d.

Fair enough i understand that Sheahan isn't a need in Winnipeg and that's fine. But obviously when a Jet fan says that Sheahan is a 4th line grinder then they haven't watched him enough like we have

 

[tbcwpg]

I don't stand with many Jets fans here; they overstate the need for LHD, especially now that Morrissey has seamlessly stepped into the rotation, currently on the top pair in fact alongside Byfuglien, and deservedly so.

If they needed LHD I'd trade for Lindholm and make it happen somehow by adding and taking something back as a dump.

I'm not sure that Morrissey is a slam dunk top pairing guy this season. We're going to notice Trouba's absence. Morrissey has played 1 NHL game so we should pump the brakes a bit on he's stepped into this top 4 role and LHD is suddenly not a concern anymore.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Don't listen to that guy. I have to respond to you because I have him blocked, but Sheahan doesn't hit. He has a great shot and would score more if he would start to use it. He is slated to start on 2nd line wing. Be interesting to see how he does there. Like you said though, not a fit with you.

I mean....he looks like the kind of guy I would like to see Lowry being at the current moment so it's not like he's a total bum. He's just not someone you put on the table and go "well what if I add THIS!"

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Larkin alone has more value then Trouba plus adding AA on top of it. Who else is Winnipeg going to add. If Cheveldayoff thinks that Trouba is worth Larkin+Mantha/AA then he's delusional and not a very good GM. No team is going to give up a package like that for Trouba he will sit out and rot before that ever happens. Especially seeing that he's seeking around $6 million per long term.

Link?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I'm not sure that Morrissey is a slam dunk top pairing guy this season. We're going to notice Trouba's absence. Morrissey has played 1 NHL game so we should pump the brakes a bit on he's stepped into this top 4 role and LHD is suddenly not a concern anymore.

This. The Morrissey experiment is going to be so deciding for us this season.

 

[MikeRahl]

sorry, how much salary do the ducks need to shed then to fit their RFA's into their budget? I assume you know 100% for sure

I am confident detroit could find a way to make their own cap work, we're the kings of the waiver wire are we not?

Ducks currently have 4.1 in cap room. You figure at least 5.5 for Lindholm, maybe around 3 for Rackell.

Ducks currently have 17 players signed for 2017 at a cap hit of 60 million. (13.5 free). So this deal probably wouldn't shed enough to sign their players this year, and then you have 5 million or so to resign Tatar and fill out the roster next year...

This is just looking at CapFriendly btw.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I'm not sure that Morrissey is a slam dunk top pairing guy this season. We're going to notice Trouba's absence. Morrissey has played 1 NHL game so we should pump the brakes a bit on he's stepped into this top 4 role and LHD is suddenly not a concern anymore.

Yet the coach is starting him in the top pair, on merit, not as a gift.

Just because he plays a different style does not mean it won't prove equally effective over time.

He may have limited NHL experience but he played a full year in the AHL, and another 28 games IIRC correctly in the IceCaps Calder Cup attempt when he was just 19. Morrissey will look better and better given time alongside comparable talent.