Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[cneely]

Yet the coach is starting him in the top pair, on merit, not as a gift.

Just because he plays a different style does not mean it won't prove equally effective over time.

Players can play well over short stints. Hell, even Pavalec was lights out at the end of '14. It doesn't mean it can be maintained over 82 games. I hope he does well, I like the kid, but I wouldn't go about saying that LHD is not an issue any more. When Stuart is pushed to the pressbox, then maybe that can be said.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Please explain to me where Sheahan's value is coming from.

He hits? Great.

He doesn't put up much production.

We have too many low production defensive guys as is. He's the last person we would be looking to acquire.

I understand he wouldn't bring much value to the Jets and that's fine he's not a need there so no problem. Really don't want to deal him any ways.

He does use his body to his advantage, Saying that he hits might not have been the word that i should've used. But he does play with passion when Sheahan is on the ice he gives it his all.

His production is what it is, He's pretty much a 3rd line Center/Winger type he will be on our 1st PP unit and will get time with Larkin. I can see his numbers climbing. He was looking pretty good towards the end of the season.

 

[HockeyHead21]

I understand he wouldn't bring much value to the Jets and that's fine he's not a need there so no problem. Really don't want to deal him any ways.

He does use his body to his advantage, Saying that he hits might not have been the word that i should've used. But he does play with passion when Sheahan is on the ice he gives it his all.

His production is what it is, He's pretty much a 3rd line Center/Winger type he will be on our 1st PP unit and will get time with Larkin. I can see his numbers climbing. He was looking pretty good towards the end of the season.

Fire up the fax machine.

 

[tbcwpg]

Yet the coach is starting him in the top pair, on merit, not as a gift.

Just because he plays a different style does not mean it won't prove equally effective over time.

He may have limited NHL experience but he played a full year in the AHL, and another 28 games IIRC correctly in the IceCaps Calder Cup attempt when he was just 19. Morrissey will look better and better given time alongside comparable talent.

He had a very good camp and played well in the AHL in the 2nd half of last season. I'm not saying he's garbage but I'm just saying we should be cautious on putting up the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner on the LHD problem. Trouba is better than Morrissey, and Trouba's absence pushing JoMo up the depth chart makes the team weaker than if he was on the 3rd pairing with Trouba on the 1st.

 

[wintersej]

He had a very good camp and played well in the AHL in the 2nd half of last season. I'm not saying he's garbage but I'm just saying we should be cautious on putting up the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner on the LHD problem. Trouba is better than Morrissey, and Trouba's absence pushing JoMo up the depth chart makes the team weaker than if he was on the 3rd pairing with Trouba on the 1st.

Seems to me, the ideal situation is to have Morrissey finish development on the 3rd pairing and have a LD that can play the top pairing for oh, lets say, two years.

 

[wintersej]

I get the arguments that Fowler doesn't have exciting Corsi numbers, but the group-think in WPG on Fowler is fascinating to me. He has been the number 1 on a playoff team for years now (although, of course, you can argue he was more of a #2 this season). He has an elite skill in his ability to make success full zone exists as well as or better than anyone. Now, if you don't want him, you don't want him, and there is no need to force him down your throat in thread after thread. But, the group-think in WPG is really interesting to me.

 

[Heldig]

The Jets also have to consider the expansion draft. They are already going to lose a good/decent player. Adding Fowler (2 years to UFA) at the expense of Trouba is not good asset management. There is no way they could protect Sheahan.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

i appreciate the feedback from jets fans

what sorts of players, and name names, do you think would be both available and that would make chevy pull the trigger

the player must fit BOTH those traits

he may never get traded but using your gut instinct(take off the jets fan hat) what do you honestly think will happen with trouba?

 

[wintersej]

The Jets also have to consider the expansion draft. They are already going to lose a good/decent player. Adding Fowler (2 years to UFA) at the expense of Trouba is not good asset management. There is no way they could protect Sheahan.

Scheifele, Little, Wheeler, and one of Armia/Perreault + 4D is the plan, right?

 

[tbcwpg]

i appreciate the feedback from jets fans

what sorts of players, and name names, do you think would be both available and that would make chevy pull the trigger

the player must fit BOTH those traits

he may never get traded but using your gut instinct(take off the jets fan hat) what do you honestly think will happen with trouba?

I think he's gonna have to play here and they'll work on a trade, much like Kane had to do. Kane requested a trade for ages before he actually got one - but he signed a contract and continued to play, at least.

As for return, I think the team will be very specific about two things - position and contract status. Adding a player that has to be protected at the expense of someone else they want to keep is not ideal, which is why so many Jets fans are turning up their nose at all these forward heavy trades, because it takes up a protection space for the trade to be worthwhile, and if they lose the main piece to Vegas in the summer, the trade is a massive failure.

 

[MikeRahl]

i appreciate the feedback from jets fans

what sorts of players, and name names, do you think would be both available and that would make chevy pull the trigger

the player must fit BOTH those traits

he may never get traded but using your gut instinct(take off the jets fan hat) what do you honestly think will happen with trouba?

There are probably 0 players that fit your bill. It's either going to come out of left field (no one expects that player was available) or Trouba will blink and sign with the Jets (and probably get traded in the next 2 years).

 

[lomiller1]

Trouba is also definitely not guaranteed the spot next to Buff at all, despite what anyone says. If Morrissey or another LHD take a step forward then Trouba gets knocked down the depth chart again.

Who would go there ahead of him? Trouba is a lot better than Enstrom or Myers and that gap is getting wider not narrower. Morrissey has a lot of potential and if he emerges as a top pairing D then great for us, but it’s a lot to ask to step right into a top pairing job.

 

[kylbaz]

Trouba + 2017 1st for Lindholm + 2017 2nd.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Trouba + 2017 1st for Lindholm + 2017 2nd.

Not close

 

[bestmyfeeling]

according to sportsnet NHL insider predictions:

After the trade deadline Jacob Trouba will be a member of the ______:

Sean McIndoe: Boston Bruins
David Amber: Dallas Stars
Eric Engels: Boston Bruins
Ryan Dixon: Detroit Red Wings
Chris Johnston: Winnipeg Jets
Mark Spector: Winnipeg Jets
Eric Francis: Edmonton Oilers
Kristina Rutherford: New York Rangers
Gord Stellick: Anaheim Ducks
Christine Simpson: Detroit Red Wings
Jeff Marek: Winnipeg Jets
Luke Fox: Edmonton Oilers
John Shannon: Boston Bruins
Daren Millard: New York Islanders
Nick Kypreos: Boston Bruins
Doug MacLean: New York Islanders

thought it's interesting some think he won't get traded at all

 

[MardyBum]

according to sportsnet NHL insider predictions:

After the trade deadline Jacob Trouba will be a member of the ______:

Sean McIndoe: Boston Bruins
David Amber: Dallas Stars
Eric Engels: Boston Bruins
Ryan Dixon: Detroit Red Wings
Chris Johnston: Winnipeg Jets
Mark Spector: Winnipeg Jets
Eric Francis: Edmonton Oilers
Kristina Rutherford: New York Rangers
Gord Stellick: Anaheim Ducks
Christine Simpson: Detroit Red Wings
Jeff Marek: Winnipeg Jets
Luke Fox: Edmonton Oilers
John Shannon: Boston Bruins
Daren Millard: New York Islanders
Nick Kypreos: Boston Bruins
Doug MacLean: New York Islanders

thought it's interesting some think he won't get traded at all

They figure Chevy will stay firm on wanting the perfect deal and Trouba's side will not want to lose a year of money and his career. Sign some sort of deal and either play for the Jets or buy more time for the perfect trade to come around.

Who knows though. We really have no idea how this is going to play out.

 

[Maukkis]

Scheifele, Little, Wheeler, and one of Armia/Perreault + 4D is the plan, right?

This. If there was another defenseman instead of Trouba, nothing would change. (unless Perreault/Little get SERIOUSLY beaten by someone, which is unexpected)

I think he's gonna have to play here and they'll work on a trade, much like Kane had to do. Kane requested a trade for ages before he actually got one - but he signed a contract and continued to play, at least.

As for return, I think the team will be very specific about two things - position and contract status. Adding a player that has to be protected at the expense of someone else they want to keep is not ideal, which is why so many Jets fans are turning up their nose at all these forward heavy trades, because it takes up a protection space for the trade to be worthwhile, and if they lose the main piece to Vegas in the summer, the trade is a massive failure.

Sigining would probably make this all end faster, but the big question is... can Trouba's camp (=whoever is behind this BS) suck it up, admit that this is a big mistake, and sign for what Chevy feels like giving them? At this point, I'm pretty sure that someone's ego can't take the hit.

according to sportsnet NHL insider predictions:

After the trade deadline Jacob Trouba will be a member of the ______:

Sean McIndoe: Boston Bruins
David Amber: Dallas Stars
Eric Engels: Boston Bruins
Ryan Dixon: Detroit Red Wings
Chris Johnston: Winnipeg Jets
Mark Spector: Winnipeg Jets
Eric Francis: Edmonton Oilers
Kristina Rutherford: New York Rangers
Gord Stellick: Anaheim Ducks
Christine Simpson: Detroit Red Wings
Jeff Marek: Winnipeg Jets
Luke Fox: Edmonton Oilers
John Shannon: Boston Bruins
Daren Millard: New York Islanders
Nick Kypreos: Boston Bruins
Doug MacLean: New York Islanders

thought it's interesting some think he won't get traded at all

Eight different teams in that list. Interesting, to say the least.

 

[tbcwpg]

I get the arguments that Fowler doesn't have exciting Corsi numbers, but the group-think in WPG on Fowler is fascinating to me. He has been the number 1 on a playoff team for years now (although, of course, you can argue he was more of a #2 this season). He has an elite skill in his ability to make success full zone exists as well as or better than anyone. Now, if you don't want him, you don't want him, and there is no need to force him down your throat in thread after thread. But, the group-think in WPG is really interesting to me.

His expiring contract to UFA status is the biggest negative on bringing Fowler back as a return.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba + 2017 1st for Lindholm + 2017 2nd.

Take far more then this to pry Lindholm out of Anaheim.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

according to sportsnet NHL insider predictions:

After the trade deadline Jacob Trouba will be a member of the ______:

Sean McIndoe: Boston Bruins
David Amber: Dallas Stars
Eric Engels: Boston Bruins
Ryan Dixon: Detroit Red Wings
Chris Johnston: Winnipeg Jets
Mark Spector: Winnipeg Jets
Eric Francis: Edmonton Oilers
Kristina Rutherford: New York Rangers
Gord Stellick: Anaheim Ducks
Christine Simpson: Detroit Red Wings
Jeff Marek: Winnipeg Jets
Luke Fox: Edmonton Oilers
John Shannon: Boston Bruins
Daren Millard: New York Islanders
Nick Kypreos: Boston Bruins
Doug MacLean: New York Islanders

thought it's interesting some think he won't get traded at all

Boston Bruins- Would've to be a deal around Krug, And doubt that Chevy wants him.
Dallas Stars- Not sure if the Stars have the pieces for Trouba.
Detroit Red Wings- A 3rd team would definitely need to be involved here.
Winnipeg Jets- Pretty sure that this ship has sailed, Don't see him back.
Edmonton Oilers- Chevy would want Klefbom, Ths discussion ends there.
New York Rangers- Really doubt they've the pieces other then McDonagh and he's a no go.
Anaheim Ducks- This would be a laugh a deal around Trouba and Lindholm isn't happening. Lindholm wants $6.5 million and Trouba $6 million Anaheim can't afford both even with Fowler gone.
New York Islanders- Unless it's a deal based around Hamonic and Trouba don't see the deal here. Hamonic cheaper and better right now.

 

[Unholy goalie]

I get the arguments that Fowler doesn't have exciting Corsi numbers, but the group-think in WPG on Fowler is fascinating to me. He has been the number 1 on a playoff team for years now (although, of course, you can argue he was more of a #2 this season). He has an elite skill in his ability to make success full zone exists as well as or better than anyone. Now, if you don't want him, you don't want him, and there is no need to force him down your throat in thread after thread. But, the group-think in WPG is really interesting to me.

His usage by the Ducks and his actual on-ice value are two different things. Jets fans understand this more than anyone, as we have an AHL level D-man being played as 3rd pairing PK specialist.

To me, Fowler is a decent 3-4 option. I would be OK with him on a second pairing, but would be happy with him on a third pairing. His contract is also slightly an overpay when you consider that other defensemen in his salary range include the likes of Giordano, Hedman, Josi, Hjalmarsson, and Vlasic.

 

[HockeyHead21]

Boston Bruins- Would've to be a deal around Krug, And doubt that Chevy wants him.
Dallas Stars- Not sure if the Stars have the pieces for Trouba.
Detroit Red Wings- A 3rd team would definitely need to be involved here.
Winnipeg Jets- Pretty sure that this ship has sailed, Don't see him back.
Edmonton Oilers- Chevy would want Klefbom, Ths discussion ends there.
New York Rangers- Really doubt they've the pieces other then McDonagh and he's a no go.
Anaheim Ducks- This would be a laugh a deal around Trouba and Lindholm isn't happening. Lindholm wants $6.5 million and Trouba $6 million Anaheim can't afford both even with Fowler gone.
New York Islanders- Unless it's a deal based around Hamonic and Trouba don't see the deal here. Hamonic cheaper and better right now.

Really good insight. I had no idea.

 

[wintersej]

^^^ Boston moving out Krug for Trouba makes very very little sense for Boston. They tread water in the short term, and what makes Trouba attractive to Boston is that he is a short term and long term fix. If they were just worried about the long term, they would just be waiting on McAvoy and Carlo to develop on the right side.

 

[Heldig]

Scheifele, Little, Wheeler, and one of Armia/Perreault + 4D is the plan, right?

Yup (though not Armia).

Expectations right now is Winnipeg will lose 1 of Lowry, Dano or Armia. Maybe Burmistrov.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

To Wpg - Theodore or Larsson plus Montour plus Detroit 1st plus cap dump if need be

To Detroit Trouba

To Anaheim Tatar Burmistrov plus another young cheap forward

Bottom line... if Fowler had the value ducks fans thinks he does... he'd be traded by now and Lindholm would be signed. He doesn't tho.