Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Daximus]

Can't see that being about Trouba. I think it's Shatty. Rangers probably don't have much they can offer us outside of McD that we would want. The Blues on the other hand may be more interested in getting some forwards prospects and futures. Probably trying to line up a McD - Shatty pairing. Their window is closing fast and that would help them stay a little bit more competitive.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Nobody thinks Trouba will be given away. His value will go down the longer this plays out, not up. RHD's are in high demand but once the season starts, nobody is going to gut their team to land Trouba on November 20th. Best deal for the Jets is to do something sooner rather than later.

No one can actually say what you have for certain. Competing bids and injuries are more likely to drive up the price than whether it is October or November. All we can do is wait.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Anyways, this situation has ~7 more weeks to resolve itself.

 

[Hunter368]

Anyways, this situation has ~7 more weeks to resolve itself.

Yup. First Pavs waived, four new rookies made the team, then Trouba to be resolved one way or another.

Good times to be a Jet fan.

 

[cobra427]

No one can actually say what you have for certain. Competing bids and injuries are more likely to drive up the bid than whether it is October or November. All we can do is wait.

The best time to trade Trouba would have been around the draft. There would have been more competition because more teams would have been interested and had more time to solve cap space problems. If a contending team has an injury to an RHD in the next month, they likely don't have the cap space to sign Trouba or the assets they would need to trade for him. They would likely have to send unwanted salary back to the Jets. Basically, the longer the Jets wait to trade Trouba, the less teams will pay or less teams are interested. Either way the return gets worse. The longer this goes on the better the chances it gets worse for the Jets.

 

[North]

The best time to trade Trouba would have been around the draft. There would have been more competition because more teams would have been interested and had more time to solve cap space problems. If a contending team has an injury to an RHD in the next month, they likely don't have the cap space to sign Trouba or the assets they would need to trade for him. They would likely have to send unwanted salary back to the Jets. Basically, the longer the Jets wait to trade Trouba, the less teams will pay or less teams are interested. Either way the return gets worse. The longer this goes on the better the chances it gets worse for the Jets.

Not at all.

They are going to get what they want or he keeps sitting.

If they need to take unwanted salary, the rest of the return is still going to be what they want.

 

[135ace]

If Chevy had any intention of getting a Dougie Hamilton type return he could and would have traded him several times. Obviously, Chevy won't accept that return and doesn't have to because he has no fear of an offer sheet, unlike the Bruins when they traded Hamilton. In fact, the Jets would probably welcome an offer sheet because they could simply match and Trouba would be tied to them with his only recourse being to sit out with no pay cheque.

A Dougie Hamilton return is all Trouba is worth and it's stilly to think otherwise.

A lot of people look at the Hall Larsson trade and think Trouba is worth more than Larsson because he has more upside (which he probably does), but they fail to realize that Trouba isn't as proven a Dman as Larsson, and is looking for a big contract. Larsson was signed to a really friendly 4.25m/year cap hit.

Trouba on the other hand is in a similar situation to Dougie, with no contract in place and expecting a big raise. Dougie was more proven than Trouba when traded (more than Larsson as well), and has more upside than both.

Jets fans who think Trouba can fetch a return like Hall are delusional. 1- Larsson was a much better trade chip than Trouba and 2- There's only one Chia. No other GM will make such a stupid trade.

 

[buggs]

Pfft.....we have Connor McDavid and Rogers Place. American cities be damned!!

In all honesty, I can see Trouba signing long-term with us. I highly doubt that Nurse and our 2017 1st would get it done, however..

I can honestly see why a good young player would want to go to Edmonton. Seems things might finally be getting some order there. I would think winning should attract more than anything else.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

A Dougie Hamilton return is all Trouba is worth and it's stilly to think otherwise.

A lot of people look at the Hall Larsson trade and think Trouba is worth more than Larsson because he has more upside (which he probably does), but they fail to realize that Trouba isn't as proven a Dman as Larsson, and is looking for a big contract. Larsson was signed to a really friendly 4.25m/year cap hit.

Trouba on the other hand is in a similar situation to Dougie, with no contract in place and expecting a big raise. Dougie was more proven than Trouba when traded (more than Larsson as well), and has more upside than both.

Jets fans who think Trouba can fetch a return like Hall are delusional. 1- Larsson was a much better trade chip than Trouba and 2- There's only one Chia. No other GM will make such a stupid trade.

I think your forgetting about Vancouver's GM Jim Benning.

 

[bumblebeeman]

A Dougie Hamilton return is all Trouba is worth and it's stilly to think otherwise.

A lot of people look at the Hall Larsson trade and think Trouba is worth more than Larsson because he has more upside (which he probably does), but they fail to realize that Trouba isn't as proven a Dman as Larsson, and is looking for a big contract. Larsson was signed to a really friendly 4.25m/year cap hit.

Trouba on the other hand is in a similar situation to Dougie, with no contract in place and expecting a big raise. Dougie was more proven than Trouba when traded (more than Larsson as well), and has more upside than both.

Jets fans who think Trouba can fetch a return like Hall are delusional. 1- Larsson was a much better trade chip than Trouba and 2- There's only one Chia. No other GM will make such a stupid trade.

The thing is Chevy isn't going to panic so will either wait until he can trade for the equivalent defenseman, or hopefully sign Trouba. There's no reason why Trouba can't do a sign and trade, or agree to a deal with his new team prior to a trade, so his value isn't lowered by that ( unless he's being difficult which might be the case, but if he is then just let him sit).

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

The best time to trade Trouba would have been around the draft. There would have been more competition because more teams would have been interested and had more time to solve cap space problems. If a contending team has an injury to an RHD in the next month, they likely don't have the cap space to sign Trouba or the assets they would need to trade for him. They would likely have to send unwanted salary back to the Jets. Basically, the longer the Jets wait to trade Trouba, the less teams will pay or less teams are interested. Either way the return gets worse. The longer this goes on the better the chances it gets worse for the Jets.

You're likely right about that but I think the Myers injury / surgery status kind of handcuffed the Jets. You really don't want to move Trouba until you know what is up with Tyler and you couldn't trade Myers if you wanted to at that time because people need to see how he has recovered.

Only Jets management know what they could have gotten around the draft and what their plans are. Obviously the offers weren't enough to replace the full contract value of Trouba. I think they have set the price so high (high enough that no one will meet it) because they don't want to trade him. Force him to sign and then move him on their terms when the time and price is right. A signed Trouba with a year of fancy stats beside Trouba will increase his trade value. That's a gamble management and Jets fans (that I've spoken to) are willing to take.

 

[Hunter368]

Myers unknown status after surgery and Jets winning the lottery both complicated the plans at the draft around Trouba. At times life throws you curveballs. In this case good curveball.

 

[The Abusement Park]

This is practically ROR all over again.

And Peg fans, don't get your hopes up on some ridiculous return.

 

[Koonta]

Not all of us but close. We do have a real good ownership if the would stick to the business side. Problem is Chipman acts as the Pres of Hockey Ops since there is no such position on the team. Out of the top 4 management guys none have a single NHL regular season game playing or coaching.
There needs to be a buffer. They should bring a guy like Don Maloney in as Pres Hockey Ops. They may want to develop their own guy but in the meantime they need to look outside.

good god not this drivel again, there is zero evidence other than what you seem to have ingrained in your head that this is happening with Chipman. It's complete BS.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Unless you guys get off to a bad start, then fans will be pissed your just sitting on a valuable asset in Trouba, and will want a return. You are comically optimistic about this whole thing

Wrong, just so embarrassingly incorrect.

If the Jets start poorly, it will be because they've introduced far too-much youth into their lineup of late. They are starting an incredibly young lineup this season, by design. Regardless, in the long-run this team is just becoming deeper and more-talented every season. That is happening with or without Trouba as the spectacular job done annually on the draft floor by Winnipeg's management is at the point in the cycle where it has begun to pay dividends - as their massive wealth of top-shelf assets have now begun to graduate. Trouba chose to sit this dance out on his own; oh well. Let him sit.

 

[Whileee]

A Dougie Hamilton return is all Trouba is worth and it's stilly to think otherwise.

A lot of people look at the Hall Larsson trade and think Trouba is worth more than Larsson because he has more upside (which he probably does), but they fail to realize that Trouba isn't as proven a Dman as Larsson, and is looking for a big contract. Larsson was signed to a really friendly 4.25m/year cap hit.

Trouba on the other hand is in a similar situation to Dougie, with no contract in place and expecting a big raise. Dougie was more proven than Trouba when traded (more than Larsson as well), and has more upside than both.

Jets fans who think Trouba can fetch a return like Hall are delusional. 1- Larsson was a much better trade chip than Trouba and 2- There's only one Chia. No other GM will make such a stupid trade.

Trouba is better than Larsson. We kept reading posts here about the crappy return the Jets would get for EKane and Ladd, too. Those trades were great for the Jets.

 

[MessierII]

Trouba is better than Larsson.

Based on???

 

[remer]

A Dougie Hamilton return is all Trouba is worth and it's stilly to think otherwise.

A lot of people look at the Hall Larsson trade and think Trouba is worth more than Larsson because he has more upside (which he probably does), but they fail to realize that Trouba isn't as proven a Dman as Larsson, and is looking for a big contract. Larsson was signed to a really friendly 4.25m/year cap hit.

Trouba on the other hand is in a similar situation to Dougie, with no contract in place and expecting a big raise. Dougie was more proven than Trouba when traded (more than Larsson as well), and has more upside than both.

Jets fans who think Trouba can fetch a return like Hall are delusional. 1- Larsson was a much better trade chip than Trouba and 2- There's only one Chia. No other GM will make such a stupid trade.

Absolutely agree. Jet will lose on this situation. Most teams have their players in place and can not make a move due to cap issues. As the season goes on it becomes tougher to make a deal. Trouba unsigned is another issue if he is looking for big money. He is unproven at this time in his career and pressure is on the Jets to get a deal done before December. Not a situation most teams would want and it will need to get resolved sooner rather than later as this will hang on Chevy's neck.

 

[Pongs21]

I don't know why people keep banging the drum of Trouba wanting ridiculous money.. His comparables are already set and he will be coming in around the 5-5.5 range, which is more than fair for a player of Trouba's calibre. Winnipeg can afford to be patient and will do so. I don't see a trade happing anytime soon and I think we'll see Trouba signed in Winnipeg sometime in November, and traded sometime after the December roster freeze.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Anyways, this situation has ~7 more weeks to resolve itself.

And i'm more then sure that Cheveldayoff would be more then glad to let those 7 more weeks play out. He's in absolutely no hurray to make a deal here.

 

[Coach Parker]

Wrong, just so embarrassingly incorrect.

If the Jets start poorly, it will be because they've introduced far too-much youth into their lineup of late. They are starting an incredibly young lineup this season, by design. Regardless, in the long-run this team is just becoming deeper and more-talented every season. That is happening with or without Trouba as the spectacular job done annually on the draft floor by Winnipeg's management is at the point in the cycle where it has begun to pay dividends - as their massive wealth of top-shelf assets have now begun to graduate. Trouba chose to sit this dance out on his own; oh well. Let him sit.

Such strong words and bias here attacking another poster.

Weren't you the guy who came over to the Bruins board and were shooting your mouth off about how people there were wrong to assume Trouba wanted out and didn't know the facts? Days later you were proven wrong and we haven't heard from you since.

Yup, it was you.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Such strong words and bias here attacking another poster.

Weren't you the guy who came over to the Bruins board and were shooting your mouth off about how people there were wrong to assume Trouba wanted out and didn't know the facts? Days later you were proven wrong and we haven't heard from you since.

Yup, it was you.

You fault me for saying that, at that time, that there were no reports that Trouba was available - which there weren't? Nice paraphrasing BTW.

 

[northeastern]

And i'm more then sure that Cheveldayoff would be more then glad to let those 7 more weeks play out. He's in absolutely no hurray to make a deal here.

7 weeks later and Trouba's value will be even lower on my opinion... The more need the jets have to move him the lower the theoretical return becomes. However a bidding war can change that real fast.

This is definitely a complicated situation, a highly desirable player that every gm knows needs to be moved...

 

[Jimmyjets]

This is practically ROR all over again.

And Peg fans, don't get your hopes up on some ridiculous return.

Shoot! Is someone going to offer sheet him to some terrible contract. Which team does Feaster run now?

And i'm more then sure that Cheveldayoff would be more then glad to let those 7 more weeks play out. He's in absolutely no hurray to make a deal here.

This is correct and is in reality the plan at this point. (Unless they sign in the next few days). Wait until late November and then slide Trouba a long term team friendly offer he'll have to sign to help facilitate a move, which probably won't happen this season. I'm thinking it will be similar to a Larsson cap hit. 8 years at $4.25 or something like that. He doesn't sign, he doesn't play in the NHL this season and he doesn't move to a different market until he's 27 years old. As a season ticket holder I can confidently say that this is what fans want. The thing that will anger the fan base is giving in to his demands. We lost a team once in part due to stuff like this. Trouba and Overhardt picked the wrong way to approach this one and TNSE is going to make them pay the price. Chevy has the full backing of the fan base and ownership. There will be no trade that isn't exactly what the Jets need.

 

[tacogeoff]

7 weeks later and Trouba's value will be even lower on my opinion... The more need the jets have to move him the lower the theoretical return becomes. However a bidding war can change that real fast.

This is definitely a complicated situation, a highly desirable player that every gm knows needs to be moved...

could be the opposite as well. a few teams will be hit by injuries but may still be fighting for a playoff spot. teams in this situation could also over pay.