Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[MikeRahl]

You are equally as wrong as the last 160 people to post this so don't feel bad.

 

[funky]

I would love Trouba on the Kings but the teams don't mesh well on the trade front. With Little out and Edmonton still needing another quality RHD would something around :


RNH for Trouba


Each team has the prospects and talent to balance out the trade.

Very envious of each teams future.

 

[LondonKendrick]

You are equally as wrong as the last 160 people to post this so don't feel bad.

So 160 likes? I'll take that as something.

 

[Ttownjets61]

Why is there so many proposals from leafs fans wanting trouba and shortly after they all say he's overrated and not worth the hype. However we really want him on our team. You want trouba send rielly this way

 

[CaptainChef]

No. What is being said is that it is likely for the Jets to get the best return possible by dealing him sooner rather than later. There is a big difference between that and this hyperbole you are continuing to spew.

Why is anything less than fair value = crap?

If the value for Trouba was say 3 first round picks. Would you really consider an offer of 2 1sts and a 2nd/3rd a crap offer given the scenario?

Just because people are saying the Jets won't get full value for Trouba, doesn't mean we are saying that they should accept anything thrown their way. That is the way you are perceiving it in order to continue to promote fallacies.

I think your basic premise is wrong -- that Trouba's value will go down every day we wait. The best deals will likely some when teams that had been expecting to do well (and start off the season well) are struggling out of the gate. This will be especially so for teams that are lacking in top quality RHDs.

Injuries as well will play a huge role in the next few weeks. So I'm saying the Trouba's value will likely increase during the next 3-4 weeks.

I'm not saying that the Jets will all of a sudden be offered an equivalent age and talent LHD because that's probably a pipe dream. Add to that, the teams that will be desperate for RHD defensive help will not likely be stacked with good LHDs.

But, if the Jets are at all flexible in what they wish to get back in this deal, I do believe the demand for Trouba's services (and his trade value) will go up, not down, during the next month or so. After Nov 15th, and as we get closer to Dec 1, that may reverse. Again, depends a lot on which teams that expected to be doing well this year start off poorly or have significant injuries on D.

 

[scan15*]

To Toronto
Trouba
Clayton Stoner


To Anaheim
JVR (50% retained)

To Winnipeg
Fowler
Anaheim 2nd round pick
Toronto 2nd round pick
Brooks Laich (only as a cap dump)

 

[Whileee]

To Toronto
Trouba
Clayton Stoner


To Anaheim
JVR (50% retained)

To Winnipeg
Fowler
Anaheim 2nd round pick
Toronto 2nd round pick
Brooks Laich (only as a cap dump)

Terrible for Winnipeg.

 

[scan15*]

Terrible for Winnipeg.

McDavid for Trouba.

Better?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

To Toronto
Trouba
Clayton Stoner


To Anaheim
JVR (50% retained)

To Winnipeg
Fowler
Anaheim 2nd round pick
Toronto 2nd round pick
Brooks Laich (only as a cap dump)

Terrible for Winnipeg, And why would Lou retain 50% on JVR for Fowler plus take on that bad Stoner contract only to flip to Winnipeg. Doubt that Chevy has any interest in Fowler Laich plus 2 2nds this is pretty bad for Winnipeg.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

McDavid for Trouba.

Better?

Might want to add the entire Jets team for McDavid.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I think your basic premise is wrong -- that Trouba's value will go down every day we wait. The best deals will likely some when teams that had been expecting to do well (and start off the season well) are struggling out of the gate. This will be especially so for teams that are lacking in top quality RHDs.

Injuries as well will play a huge role in the next few weeks. So I'm saying the Trouba's value will likely increase during the next 3-4 weeks.

I'm not saying that the Jets will all of a sudden be offered an equivalent age and talent LHD because that's probably a pipe dream. Add to that, the teams that will be desperate for RHD defensive help will not likely be stacked with good LHDs.

But, if the Jets are at all flexible in what they wish to get back in this deal, I do believe the demand for Trouba's services (and his trade value) will go up, not down, during the next month or so. After Nov 15th, and as we get closer to Dec 1, that may reverse. Again, depends a lot on which teams that expected to be doing well this year start off poorly or have significant injuries on D.

Fair enough. I do think you are right in the last paragraph. Part of what will determine the return for Trouba will be the flexibility of the Jets. However, as I have been told time and time again from multiple Jets fans, Chevy will sit and wait until he gets his price. If Chevy takes that stance through Dec. 1st with this situation than I have a hard time believe that WPG gets equal value for Trouba.

If for some reason he changes his philosophy on this situation, then they could get fair value for him.

 

[Flair Hay]

Hard to see this ending any other way than a 1-2 year deal and Trouba suiting back up. With a big grey cloud over the team until he is moved.

 

[Say What]

IMO, there is no logical basis to the notion, that the Winnipeg Jets will lose value as Dec.1 approaches. TNSE are not acting on behalf of Jacob Trouba, in trying to move him.

Kurt Overhardt has stated publicly that he doesn't want to deal with the Winnipeg Jets Organization (on a contract), and therefore will try himself, to facilitate a trade out of the city.

Once Cheveldayoff informed his colleagues of the 'absolute' minimum return; how many of them (the interested GMs) do people believe keep calling Kevin with less than the ask.

IMO, as far as TNSE are concerned, at some time after April 9th, 2017; 14 GMs will be meeting with their owners (during exit meetings) to discuss among other things, what changes can be made so as not to miss the playoffs again in the 2017/18 season.

In my opinion, the Jets making or missing the Playoffs, also doesn't change the value of Jacob Trouba, in relation to the Winnipeg Jets. Time will tell.

I personally believe they are in this for the long haul. As an RFA, I think they refuse to give him UFA rights/status.

 

[Byron Bitz]

How many of those guys are 22 year old right handed d-men just coming off their ELC?

Kyle turris, not a dman but he was 22 coming off his elc with similar potantial to Trouba and the Sens got him for a bargain.

 

[Christ]

McDavid for Trouba.

Better?

Probably wants an elite defensive prospect with McDavid so the Jets can break even...

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Kyle turris, not a dman but he was 22 coming off his elc with similar potantial to Trouba and the Sens got him for a bargain.

So a comparable player (at the time) and a pick.

Makes sense.

Does seem that Turris was acquired on the cheap depending on what Rundblads value was at the time (1 year? after being acquired for Ottawa's 1st round pick.)

That's a good one to mull over.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Hard to see this ending any other way than a 1-2 year deal and Trouba suiting back up. With a big grey cloud over the team until he is moved.

Totally agree i think it's still to Trouba's benefit to take a 1-2 year deal from Winnipeg and play for them with the understanding that Cheveldayoff will still try and move him to a destination that could benefit both of them most maybe Philly. But any ways he needs to be playing and not just sitting around he's only hurting himself not the club.

 

[buttman*]

IMO, there is no logical basis to the notion, that the Winnipeg Jets will lose value as Dec.1 approaches. TNSE are not acting on behalf of Jacob Trouba, in trying to move him.

Kurt Overhardt has stated publically that he doesn't want to deal with the Winnipeg Jets Organization (on a contract), and therefore will try himself, to facilitate a trade out of the city.

Once Cheveldayoff informed his colleagues of the 'absolute' minimum return; how many of them (the interested GMs) do people believe keep calling Kevin with less than the ask.

IMO, as far as TNSE are concerned, at some time after April 9th, 2017; 14 GMs will be meeting with their owners (during exit meetings) to discuss among other things, what changes can be made so as not to miss the playoffs again in the 2017/18 season.

In my opinion, the Jets making or missing the Playoffs, also doesn't change the value of Jacob Trouba, in relation to the Winnipeg Jets. Time will tell.

I personally believe they are in this for the long haul. As an RFA, I think they refuse to give him UFA rights/status.

They most certainly do loose value. Trouba sits out a year that impacts his value. There are two aspects that Jets' fans are in denial about. One, Trouba wants big coin -- bigger than he's worth. Two his play has declined. Here's a bonus for you -- guy has asked for a trade he's sitting out -- that's a problem. He thinks he's bigger than the team.

 

[Hunter368]

To Toronto
Trouba
Clayton Stoner


To Anaheim
JVR (50% retained)

To Winnipeg
Fowler
Anaheim 2nd round pick
Toronto 2nd round pick
Brooks Laich (only as a cap dump)

Fowler has been rejected 500 times by our fan base, so you thought it would be more attractive by adding a couple 2nd Rd picks and a cap dump?

Really?

Pass, no thx

 

[GoJetsGo55]

They most certainly do loose value. Trouba sits out a year that impacts his value. There are two aspects that Jets' fans are in denial about. One, Trouba wants big coin -- bigger than he's worth. Two his play has declined. Here's a bonus for you -- guy has asked for a trade he's sitting out -- that's a problem. He thinks he's bigger than the team.

1) His agent confirmed that they have refused to even look at a single offer from the Jets so if the team that owns his rights doesn't even know what he wants, how do you?

2) He hasn't regressed at all. That's been debunked time and time again by everyone who has looked past point totals.

 

[scan15*]

Fowler has been rejected 500 times by our fan base, so you thought it would be more attractive by adding a couple 2nd Rd picks and a cap dump?

Really?

Pass, no thx

Couldn't care less about the opinions of the Jets fanbase. I've read enough of their opinions on this thread and previous Trouba threads to not value them at all.

My post was more directed towards Leafs and Ducks fans.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Hard to see this ending any other way than a 1-2 year deal and Trouba suiting back up. With a big grey cloud over the team until he is moved.

I still don't see that happening.

You give him all the power if you sign him to a bridge contract.

-Signs 2 year contract
-Goes to arbitration the year after and is awarded a 1 year contract.
-Becomes a UFA at age 25

That's not a scenario I would enjoy.

 

[TML1967]

To Toronto
Trouba
Clayton Stoner


To Anaheim
JVR (50% retained)


To Winnipeg
Fowler
Anaheim 2nd round pick
Toronto 2nd round pick
Polak

I edited the trade above.

Id say this makes some sense if you switch Laich with Polak.

Leafs have plenty of space with people to LTIR to cover the cost of Stoner. They get Trouba who would mean they solidify their top 4 with Reilly-Trouba-Gardiner-Zaitsev, and Stoner/Hunwick-Carrick as the bottom pair. Oldest person in their top 4 would be 26.

Anaheim getting JVR at 50% retained AND moving Stoner is huge for them both cap wise and from a winger perspective.

Winnipeg getting a solid top 3/4 dman and 2 second round picks and Polak to play the right side in case of injury.

 

[buttman*]

1) His agent confirmed that they have refused to even look at a single offer from the Jets so if the team that owns his rights doesn't even know what he wants, how do you?

2) He hasn't regressed at all. That's been debunked time and time again by everyone who has looked past point totals.

It's all MarK Stuarts's fault.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

It's all MarK Stuarts's fault.

It's the STUUUUUUUUUUUUUU affect.