Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Hunter368]

Couldn't care less about the opinions of the Jets fanbase. I've read enough of their opinions on this thread and previous Trouba threads to not value them at all.

My post was more directed towards Leafs and Ducks fans.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion.

EA Sports NHL 2016 - Offer a bunch of meaningless pieces plus Fowler's to equal one major piece in return. Add in a few more meaningless pieces and grab McDavid while you're at it. Love that game.

 

[Say What]

They most certainly do loose value. Trouba sits out a year that impacts his value. There are two aspects that Jets' fans are in denial about. One, Trouba wants big coin -- bigger than he's worth. Two his play has declined. Here's a bonus for you -- guy has asked for a trade he's sitting out -- that's a problem. He thinks he's bigger than the team.

His value to the Winnipeg Jets is unchanged. It has been stated publicly.

Who's in denial?

The Winnipeg Jets have a current player that thought a different league might help his career, and has since returned. As an RFA, that's an option (playing overseas) that Jacob Trouba still has.

 

[SCP Guy]

McDavid for Trouba.

Better?

Can McDavid play defense on the left side?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

His value to the Winnipeg Jets is unchanged. It has been stated publically.

Who's in denial?

The Winnipeg Jets have a current player that thought a different league might help his career, and has since returned. As an RFA, that's an option (playing overseas) that Jacob Trouba's still has.

Apparently none of that matters.

People know what offers the Jets have received and apparently we're insane for not accepting.

No one can tell me what the offers were but I've been told that they were more than fair.

I am not sure what more than fair is but I am sure people will tell in definite terms soon enough.

 

[Gm0ney]

Kyle turris, not a dman but he was 22 coming off his elc with similar potantial to Trouba and the Sens got him for a bargain.

I think Rundblad was still considered to be a top prospect when that deal went down. And Turris hadn't established himself at the time either. I'd say Trouba's quite a bit more established now than Turris was then.

It'd be a little like, for example, Sanheim and a 1st for Trouba - and then Sanheim doesn't pan out while Trouba progresses with Philly. In 5 years that looks bad but right now Philly fans would think they paid more than fairly...

 

[scan15*]

Of course you are entitled to your opinion.

EA Sports NHL 2016 - Offer a bunch of meaningless pieces plus Fowler's to equal one major piece in return. Add in a few more meaningless pieces and grab McDavid while you're at it. Love that game.

It's such an uniformed opinion to call 2nd round picks as 'meaningless pieces'. It's been statistically proven that they are just as valuable as mid 1st round picks.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

It's such an uniformed opinion to call 2nd round picks as 'meaningless pieces'. It's been statistically proven that they are just as valuable as mid 1st round picks.

Can......can we trade you 2 2nd round picks for your 1st??????

 

[Evil Little]

Every day that passes between now and Dec. 1st will cost Winnipeg a little bit of leverage.

The Jets don't have any leverage with other teams without a contract for Trouba.

Let the December 1st deadline put the squeeze on Trouba and once he signs the Jets get their trade leverage back.

 

[buttman*]

If the Jets want a LD the same age etc. who is out there.

Understanding they are getting guys like Reilly. Is Krug an option? Is he someone the Jets want? Is Fowler an option?

I don't see a lot of fits for the Jets. The longer this goes the less options they have. They are better off getting value than trying to get a LD.

 

[buttman*]

The Jets don't have any leverage with other teams without a contract for Trouba.

Let the December 1st deadline put the squeeze on Trouba and once he signs the Jets get their trade leverage back.

And if Trouba doesn't sign?

 

[Daximus]

Daximus

It's such an uniformed opinion to call 2nd round picks as 'meaningless pieces'. It's been statistically proven that they are just as valuable as mid 1st round picks.

Don't think it's what Chevy is after. He won't blink, he never does. Buddhist Monks study him because of his patience. The man could wait out anything. It's annoying sometimes and often doesn't work in our favour but at this point I 100% guarantee you that Chevy gets what he wants and that is either the return he is looking for or Trouba's signs because his camp blinks first anyone thinking anything else will go down has no clue who Chevy is and what "the process" is all about. It's not a saying, it's a lifestyle.

 

[scan15*]

Can......can we trade you 2 2nd round picks for your 1st??????

The leafs first has a solid chance of being a top 5 pick.

But if they had a pick in the 15-25 range, they would trade it for a 2nd and a 3rd. Something they've done before.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

And if Trouba doesn't sign?

Then he sits out the year getting paid $0 while the Jets continue to roll with what they have.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

The leafs first has a solid chance of being a top 5 pick.

But if they had a pick in the 15-25 range, they would trade it for a 2nd and a 3rd. Something they've done before.

I'd be down with that trade. I'll send in the paperwork.

 

[buttman*]

Then he sits out the year getting paid $0 while the Jets continue to roll with what they have.

Doesn't help the Jets one bit. Let's not pretend Trouba is the only one that will feel the pain.

 

[untouchable21]

Couldn't care less about the opinions of the Jets fanbase. I've read enough of their opinions on this thread and previous Trouba threads to not value them at all.

My post was more directed towards Leafs and Ducks fans.

Problem is for your proposal to work, it includes the Jets fans. You need all 3 to agree, if not you may as well only deal with the Ducks..

Pretty simple logic.

 

[scan15*]

Another idea:

Toronto
Jacob Trouba

Winnipeg
2017 unprotected 1st round pick
2018 3rd round pick

Winnipeg offersheets Hampus Lindholm for $56million/8 years.

Winnipeg comes out of this deal with Lindholm and a 1st round pick which will probably end up being higher than their own.

Of course, this wouldn't happen IRL, but it's a positive deal for both Toronto and Winnipeg.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Then he sits out the year getting paid $0 while the Jets continue to roll with what they have.

And how would this benefit Cheveldayoff and the Jets then, The longer Trouba sits out the more his value will start to drop. Trouba sitting out indefinitely isn't a good thing for Winnipeg either.

 

[CaptainChef]

Couldn't care less about the opinions of the Jets fanbase. I've read enough of their opinions on this thread and previous Trouba threads to not value them at all.

My post was more directed towards Leafs and Ducks fans.

Funny - I thought Trouba was the central piece in this trade but you'll do the deal without us -- OK then.

In a 3-way deal it takes 3 to tango and you are going nowhere from our standpoint giving us Fowler & a bunch of useless draft picks for Trouba PLUS a cap dump (Stoner).

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Doesn't help the Jets one bit. Let's not pretend Trouba is the only one that will feel the pain.

The situation doesn't change much for the Jets past Dec 1st.

The pain has already been inflicted and we're dealing with it.

If we cannot find an acceptable trade, there's no reason to move him until:

1) He signs
2) An acceptable trade is offered.

 

[Say What]

Apparently none of that matters.

People know what offers the Jets have received and apparently we're insane for not accepting.

No one can tell me what the offers were but I've been told that they were more than fair.

I am not sure what more than fair is but I am sure people will tell in definite terms soon enough.

Unfortunately I believe the Trouba Camp are inter-twining the Hockey Operations aspect (contracts & trades), with the Business Operations aspect (Owners, GMs, & the BODs). In my opinion, no one is looking to help Kurt Overhardt circumvent the CBA at the expense of a fellow colleague. At least his other clients had contracts to be traded away for a different player/contract.

That's not to say that each organization doesn't have their own agenda to push. However, there are lines that are trying to be crossed, and nobody (GMs) wants to be the team to lose the assets; while being a puppet to this show.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

And how would this benefit Cheveldayoff and the Jets then, The longer Trouba sits out the more his value will start to drop. Trouba sitting out indefinitely isn't a good thing for Winnipeg either.

It's not good but moving him on the cheap doesn't help much either.

If his agent has an ounce of smart, he'll understand that Trouba sitting the year is going to not only hurt his wallet this year, but in years to come.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Another idea:

Toronto
Jacob Trouba

Winnipeg
2017 unprotected 1st round pick
2018 3rd round pick

Winnipeg offersheets Hampus Lindholm for $56million/8 years.

Winnipeg comes out of this deal with Lindholm and a 1st round pick which will probably end up being higher than their own.

Of course, this wouldn't happen IRL, but it's a positive deal for both Toronto and Winnipeg.

Did you actually see the quote from Cheveldayoff stating no picks or prsopects period how does picks benefit Winnipeg, And oh FYI on a offer sheet of Lindholm Winnipeg can only offer 7 years not 8 years.

 

[CaptainChef]

The leafs first has a solid chance of being a top 5 pick.

But if they had a pick in the 15-25 range, they would trade it for a 2nd and a 3rd. Something they've done before.

Yup makes sense I think every team in the league lines up to pull that deal off.

 

[aj8000]

They most certainly do loose value. Trouba sits out a year that impacts his value. There are two aspects that Jets' fans are in denial about. One, Trouba wants big coin -- bigger than he's worth. Two his play has declined. Here's a bonus for you -- guy has asked for a trade he's sitting out -- that's a problem. He thinks he's bigger than the team.

And he is no different than an injured player except for the fact we do not have to pay him anything. Here is a bonus for you, he will resign and play for the jets. After that time, the jets may trade him if they get the value they want.