Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[North]

If the goal is "get the return you want" sure, keep waiting. If the goal is help the team, Chevy has already likely misplayed his hand because market value will be less the longer this goes on.

The goal is to help the team by getting the deal they want.

If they get pieces they don't need how is Chevy helping the team?

He has made it clear what the price is. If a team actually wants Trouba, they'll meet that price.

If they have no comparable left d (such as Detroit) then he's willing to accept other pieces but they have to be substantial. Detroit wasn't willing to do that (I don't blame them).

The only one who has misplayed his hand is Trouba.

 

[TeamBester]

GM's will have no problem waiting out the GM sitting in a position of weakness. Sure Trouba definitely suffers the most here, but no GM is going to pony up for a player wanting out. (and asking publicly)

If Trouba really wants money he can go play in another league until Chevy swallows his pride.

 

[North]

GM's will have no problem waiting out the GM sitting in a position of weakness. Sure Trouba definitely suffers the most here, but no GM is going to pony up for a player wanting out. (and asking publicly)

If Trouba really wants money he can go play in another league until Chevy swallows his pride.

Then why hasn't he?

Trouba's best chance at making big money is the NHL.

Chevy can hold on to him for however long he needs to.

The only pressure would be internal (ownership) or externally from fans.

Neither have a problem with how he is dealing with the situation.

Even if it gets to Dec 1st and Trouba still doesn't sign, he can go play somewhere else for the year, but he'll still owe the Jets 4 RFA years when he comes back.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Bingo!

Some people think we need to trade him now now now now!!!!

That would be absolutely foolish unless we are getting a return we need.

Thats HF for you. HF got mad when TB didnt trade Drouin. They want stuff to talk about. They want to talk about who got bent over in a trade. I get it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Then why hasn't he?

Trouba's best chance at making big money is the NHL.

Chevy can hold on to him for however long he needs to.

The only pressure would be internal (ownership) or externally from fans.

Neither have a problem with how he is dealing with the situation.

Even if it gets to Dec 1st and Trouba still doesn't sign, he can go play somewhere else for the year, but he'll still owe the Jets 4 RFA years when he comes back.

Maybe because he believes it will be solved sooner rather than later and doesn't want to go play in Russia for 2-3 weeks?

If something changes where he believes it will be a long term thing, I bet he does go overseas.

 

[lomiller1]

GM's will have no problem waiting out the GM sitting in a position of weakness. Sure Trouba definitely suffers the most here, but no GM is going to pony up for a player wanting out. (and asking publicly)

No GM will let a player they want go to another team for cheap without trying to put in a better offer themselves.

If Trouba really wants money he can go play in another league until Chevy swallows his pride.

Trouba faces a $6 million - $7 million loss playing in Europe. Europe doesn’t pay anywhere near what the NHL does and he doesn’t just lose this years salary, he has to wait another year to reach UFA status. Besides, if he doesn’t want to play in Canada he sure isn’t interested in going to Europe.

 

[lomiller1]

Well if the goal was to help the team then we could have just traded him for an ok 3rd liner. It would be extremely poor asset management, but it would help the team.

It wouldn't help the team 3-5 years from now which is the time frame the Jets are likely looking at. Over that time what they need is a top paring LHD and maybe a C as good or better than Little for 2 years from now when his contract is up.

 

[Gardner McKay]

No GM will let a player they want go to another team for cheap without trying to put in a better offer themselves.

Trouba faces a $6 million - $7 million loss playing in Europe. Europe doesn’t pay anywhere near what the NHL does and he doesn’t just lose this years salary, he has to wait another year to reach UFA status. Besides, if he doesn’t want to play in Canada he sure isn’t interested in going to Europe.

That doesn't mean they will overpay. In this case, fair market value for Trouba = overpaying.

 

[Doublechin]

I want nothing more than the Jets to have an amazing season and not give a **** about Trouba sitting his ass home. Maybe that way they wouldn't wanna disrupt chemistry and they tell him, ok stay home until your Free agent eligible and until then if we get an RFA offer we might just match anyways.

 

[CupsOverCash]

That doesn't mean they will overpay. In this case, fair market value for Trouba = overpaying.

The Jets don't have to trade him though. They can keep him until he hits FA. If a team really wants him be prepared to pay for it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

The Jets don't have to trade him though. They can keep him until he hits FA. If a team really wants him be prepared to pay for it.

I don't know why people bringing this up. It is common sense. Of course they don't have to trade him. That doesn't mean what I said is wrong. Other GM's will be looking at giving full value for Trouba as overpaying.

The Jets do have to make a decision though. Are they willing to take slightly less than FMV? Or stick to their guns and most likely let this situation run past Dec. 1st and then really risk what their return is?

Every day that passes between now and Dec. 1st will cost Winnipeg a little bit of leverage.

 

[Byron Bitz]

If it doesn't happen Trouba has the choice to re-sign with the Jets and play his RFA years out or ride the buses in Europe for 5 years until he becomes a UFA. He is not going to be trade for scraps like some people want

Actually the jets would be way better off trading him for whatever the best offer is than letting him ride the busses in Europe until he becomes a UFA.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Actually the jets would be way better off trading him for whatever the best offer is than letting him ride the busses in Europe until he becomes a UFA.

And if the best offer is a B prospect and a 2nd round pick?????

 

[GoJetsGo55]

GM's will have no problem waiting out the GM sitting in a position of weakness. Sure Trouba definitely suffers the most here, but no GM is going to pony up for a player wanting out. (and asking publicly)

If Trouba really wants money he can go play in another league until Chevy swallows his pride.

I am sure that Trouba is just aching to go play in the KHL

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I don't know why people bringing this up. It is common sense. Of course they don't have to trade him. That doesn't mean what I said is wrong. Other GM's will be looking at giving full value for Trouba as overpaying.

The Jets do have to make a decision though. Are they willing to take slightly less than FMV? Or stick to their guns and most likely let this situation run past Dec. 1st and then really risk what their return is?

Every day that passes between now and Dec. 1st will cost Winnipeg a little bit of leverage.

If the return that's being offered is already garbage, why are we worried about missing out on garbage?

 

[Gardner McKay]

And if the best offer is a B prospect and a 2nd round pick?????

Do you honestly believe that the best offer for Trouba is a B prospect and a 2nd round pick or are you just responding with a hyperbole in order to detract from a legitimate point?

If the return that's being offered is already garbage, why are we worried about missing out on garbage?

See above. You are too concerned about scenario's that aren't likely to happen. NHL GM's aren't going to offer garbage for Jacob Trouba. This isn't a fantasy league where someone is going to offer you a border line 4th liner and a bottom 6 defenseman. Will they offer full value right away? Absolutely not. That is where leverage and plain old negotiations come into play.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Do you honestly believe that the best offer for Trouba is a B prospect and a 2nd round pick or are you just responding with a hyperbole in order to detract from a legitimate point?

People are speculating saying that the Jets need to accept an offer that's already being put in front of them. Why can I not say that the offers received have been crap?

Is only 1 side allowed to speculate?

Hell people have already been saying "There's no way GM's are going to offer fair value when a player has requested a trade." Not hard to speculate that the offers received have been sub-par.

 

[larmex99]

Actually the jets would be way better off trading him for whatever the best offer is than letting him ride the busses in Europe until he becomes a UFA.

Because that is what you would do if you were an NHL GM? If so, you wouldn't last a month in the position. Players are currency. Selling short never helps your team in the long run.

 

[CupsOverCash]

I don't know why people bringing this up. It is common sense. Of course they don't have to trade him. That doesn't mean what I said is wrong. Other GM's will be looking at giving full value for Trouba as overpaying.

The Jets do have to make a decision though. Are they willing to take slightly less than FMV? Or stick to their guns and most likely let this situation run past Dec. 1st and then really risk what their return is?

Every day that passes between now and Dec. 1st will cost Winnipeg a little bit of leverage.

He's a good player they shouldn't take anything below market value.

 

[Gardner McKay]

People are speculating saying that the Jets need to accept an offer that's already being put in front of them. Why can I not say that the offers received have been crap?

Is only 1 side allowed to speculate?

Hell people have already been saying "There's no way GM's are going to offer fair value when a player has requested a trade." Not hard to speculate that the offers received have been sub-par.

No. What is being said is that it is likely for the Jets to get the best return possible by dealing him sooner rather than later. There is a big difference between that and this hyperbole you are continuing to spew.

Why is anything less than fair value = crap?

If the value for Trouba was say 3 first round picks. Would you really consider an offer of 2 1sts and a 2nd/3rd a crap offer given the scenario?

Just because people are saying the Jets won't get full value for Trouba, doesn't mean we are saying that they should accept anything thrown their way. That is the way you are perceiving it in order to continue to promote fallacies.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

See above. You are too concerned about scenario's that aren't likely to happen. NHL GM's aren't going to offer garbage for Jacob Trouba. This isn't a fantasy league where someone is going to offer you a border line 4th liner and a bottom 6 defenseman. Will they offer full value right away? Absolutely not. That is where leverage and plain old negotiations come into play.

Well do tell what offers have been received. You clearly know more about it than I do.

It's getting pretty tiring seeing:

"LOL No WAY are the Jets going to get fair value for a player that has requested a trade."

Followed by

"Why haven't the Jets accepted an offer yet."

And then I get called out for suggesting that the offers have been sub-par.

No that's a ****ing joke.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

No. What is being said is that it is likely for the Jets to get the best return possible by dealing him sooner rather than later. There is a big difference between that and this hyperbole you are continuing to spew.

Why is anything less than fair value = crap?

If the value for Trouba was say 3 first round picks. Would you really consider an offer of 2 1sts and a 2nd/3rd a crap offer given the scenario?

Just because people are saying the Jets won't get full value for Trouba, doesn't mean we are saying that they should accept anything thrown their way. That is the way you are perceiving it in order to continue to promote fallacies.

The Jets trading Trouba RIGHT NOW, is good for who?

It's good for Jacob Trouba. It's not good for the Jets.

He can sign here and play until a trade is found.

Or, we can wait it out until a team comes with an acceptable offer.

What we should NOT do is panic and accept an offer that is below what we feel the player is worth.

Go back and look at the Drouin threads and look what people were offering as "fair value." It's a JOKE.

MOD

 

[Byron Bitz]

Because that is what you would do if you were an NHL GM? If so, you wouldn't last a month in the position. Players are currency. Selling short never helps your team in the long run.

Wrong again, players get traded for less than their perceived value all the time and the GMs keep their jobs. The Spezza and Kessel deals are just a few examples. Sometimes your just in a situation where you have to move a player, the jets are in that situation whether you like it or not.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Wrong again, players get traded for less than their perceived value all the time and the GMs keep their jobs. The Spezza and Kessel deals are just a few examples. Sometimes your just in a situation where you have to move a player, the jets are in that situation whether you like it or not.

How many of those guys are 22 year old right handed d-men just coming off their ELC?

 

[LondonKendrick]

JVR for Trouba for Fowler

Duck* JVR good winger, good contract, meets what little need the Ducks have + cap relief

Leafs Trouba, his value is deflated by lack of contract

Winnipeg Folwer LHD, meets need

*Leafs eat 2 million of JVR's contract so the Ducks get some relief to sign Hampus

Now tell me how wrong I am