Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[scan15*]

Yup makes sense I think every team in the league lines up to pull that deal off.

Have you people not watched the draft for the past 2 years? Lot of teams move down for extra picks.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

It's not good but moving him on the cheap doesn't help much either.

If his agent has an ounce of smart, he'll understand that Trouba sitting the year is going to not only hurt his wallet this year, but in years to come.

Well no one expects Cheveldayoff to move Trouba for the cheap, That just not realistic Chevy holds all the cards with Trouba we all know that.

But on the other hand Chevy has to realize also, That his asking price for Trouba similar age and playing style just isn't realistic. No team is going to give up young cheap controlled D men for Trouba especially considering what he's asking for. Not Philly not Carolina no one.

 

[aj8000]

And how would this benefit Cheveldayoff and the Jets then, The longer Trouba sits out the more his value will start to drop. Trouba sitting out indefinitely isn't a good thing for Winnipeg either.

And a player could get signed and have a career ending concussion which is no good for the team that signed the player. Sure the jets could use him; however, teams deal with missing players all the time and life goes on.

 

[aj8000]

Couldn't care less about the opinions of the Jets fanbase. I've read enough of their opinions on this thread and previous Trouba threads to not value them at all.

My post was more directed towards Leafs and Ducks fans.

Sure, but that will not increase the chances that any trade proposal you put forth will ever come to be.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

And a player could get signed and have a career ending concussion which is no good for the team that signed the player. Sure the jets could use him; however, teams deal with missing players all the time and life goes on.

Of course signing any player long term has it's risk especially with possible career ending injuries, But bottom line the more Trouba sits out it's hurting Winnipeg as much as hurting himself because his value will continue to plummet. And that wont beneifit either Chevy should try and sign him to 1-2 year deal and then move him for the best package he can get until Trouba is signed Chevy has no leverage or say where Trouba winds up.

 

[TML1967]

Well no one expects Cheveldayoff to move Trouba for the cheap, That just not realistic Chevy holds all the cards with Trouba we all know that.

But on the other hand Chevy has to realize also, That his asking price for Trouba similar age and playing style just isn't realistic. No team is going to give up young cheap controlled D men for Trouba especially considering what he's asking for. Not Philly not Carolina no one.

I want to know what people expect Chevy to say!
"Yeah, were in a tough spot. Were gonna take what we can get because thats how value works in a world where so few people can afford to pay his price tag once traded"
Of course hes gonna say he wants a boat load of amazing toys for his amazing toy! Does anyone actually think he would come out and say what the minimum he would be will to take?
Come on folks, remember that everything said publicly is part of a larger narrative and part of the bargaining process between teams for Trouba, and for Trouba himself.

 

[DasKaiser]

Did you actually see the quote from Cheveldayoff stating no picks or prsopects period how does picks benefit Winnipeg, And oh FYI on a offer sheet of Lindholm Winnipeg can only offer 7 years not 8 years.

Not sure if you're being a bit crabby, but think the suggestion is solid. Thinking outside of the conventional box and has some merit. The 7 year is right but what does it matter. Jets end up with high draft picks and excellent young lhd, which they need, seems win-win. I would think Chevy would love this type of deal, if it rolled out this way.

 

[aj8000]

Of course signing any player long term has it's risk especially with possible career ending injuries, But bottom line the more Trouba sits out it's hurting Winnipeg as much as hurting himself because his value will continue to plummet. And that wont beneifit either Chevy should try and sign him to 1-2 year deal and then move him for the best package he can get until Trouba is signed Chevy has no leverage or say where Trouba winds up.

Actually Chevy should do exactly what he is doing at the moment. Sit and wait. Trouba is not going to magically forget how to play hockey if he sits out to December 1 or the year. The jets have noting to lose waiting despite your assertion that his value will drop.

 

[CaptainChef]

Have you people not watched the draft for the past 2 years? Lot of teams move down for extra picks.

And have you not realized that it takes a lot to move up a few places in the middle of the first round. Moving up 4 places probably costs you a first and second. You're talking about moving up 15+ spots there -- two seconds will NEVER get you anywhere near a mid-first

 

[WaveRaven]

I can't TNSE offer sheeting Lindholm ... They should but they won't.

 

[Gardner McKay]

And have you not realized that it takes a lot to move up a few places in the middle of the first round. Moving up 4 places probably costs you a first and second. You're talking about moving up 15+ spots there -- two seconds will NEVER get you anywhere near a mid-first

Moving up 4 places doesn't cost a 1st and a 2nd. It costs a 2nd. I can't recall even seeing a team pay that much to move up into the top 10.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Not sure if you're being a bit crabby, but think the suggestion is solid. Thinking outside of the conventional box and has some merit. The 7 year is right but what does it matter. Jets end up with high draft picks and excellent young lhd, which they need, seems win-win. I would think Chevy would love this type of deal, if it rolled out this way.

Pretty sure that offer sheets can only be done during the summer months, Pretty sure once the season starts you can't do them. But if you can show me proof that they can still be done now i would greatly appreciate it. I'm pretty sure that offer sheets start within 48 hours after the cup finals and then end right before the season starts.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Actually Chevy should do exactly what he is doing at the moment. Sit and wait. Trouba is not going to magically forget how to play hockey if he sits out to December 1 or the year. The jets have noting to lose waiting despite your assertion that his value will drop.

I'm thinking some kind of 1-2 year deal will be struck sometime in November, And Trouba will play with the understanding that Cheveldayoff will try and move him. Just can't see Trouba sitting it out the entire season.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I'm thinking some kind of 1-2 year deal will be struck sometime in November, And Trouba will play with the understanding that Cheveldayoff will try and move him. Just can't see Trouba sitting it out the entire season.

Again, if we sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal, he will be a 25 year old UFA.

-Play out the 2 year contract
-Go to arbitration year 3
-Become a UFA year 4

That put the Jets on the clock.

 

[aj8000]

I'm thinking some kind of 1-2 year deal will be struck sometime in November, And Trouba will play with the understanding that Cheveldayoff will try and move him. Just can't see Trouba sitting it out the entire season.

I do not see him sitting out the season, it will also not be a 1 to 2 year deal either. It will be a long term team friendly deal that will allow the Jets to maximize troubas trade value.

 

[Say What]

Moving up 4 places doesn't cost a 1st and a 2nd. It costs a 2nd. I can't recall even seeing a team pay that much to move up into the top 10.

You end up swapping 1sts (to move up), plus you add your 2nd.

 

[Hunter368]

Another idea:

Toronto
Jacob Trouba

Winnipeg
2017 unprotected 1st round pick
2018 3rd round pick

Winnipeg offersheets Hampus Lindholm for $56million/8 years.

Winnipeg comes out of this deal with Lindholm and a 1st round pick which will probably end up being higher than their own.

Of course, this wouldn't happen IRL, but it's a positive deal for both Toronto and Winnipeg.

This comment is about both your offers, Chevy clearly stated no interest in picks. Thus pass on your various picks offers, no interest.

Not trading a top pairing guy (Chevy and many hockey experts opinion) for magic beans anymore then the Leafs trading Mathews for magic beans.

Chevy will not do that, if he would the deal would already be done

 

[Hunter368]

I can't TNSE offer sheeting Lindholm ... They should but they won't.

Agreed, it would be a shocking move b/c of multi reasons. Don't see them doing that ever, unless it was in retaliation

 

[Lundy HOF]

You end up swapping 1sts (to move up), plus you add your 2nd.

Not sure that is what the original poster implied. Giving up your first to move up in the first rd is implicit, no? lol

 

[KingPuckChoo]

i'm pretty sure LA would be very interested in a Trouba/Pavelec (50% retained) deal

obviously WIN would have to retain half of Pavelec to fit LA's cap

wonder what Winnipeg fans would like from LA?

 

[CaptainChef]

Moving up 4 places doesn't cost a 1st and a 2nd. It costs a 2nd. I can't recall even seeing a team pay that much to move up into the top 10.

Two examples from most recent draft (and we're not even close to the top 10). Ariz gave up a first, a second PLUS took on Datzuk's huge cap hit to move from 20 to 16. Wpg gave up a first, and high second (32nd) to move up 4 spots to 18 (did get back a 3rd #79 in the deal).

I doubt you'd ever get a mid 1st for two seconds

 

[Gardner McKay]

Two examples from most recent draft (and we're not even close to the top 10). Ariz gave up a first, a second PLUS took on Datzuk's huge cap hit to move from 20 to 16. Wpg gave up a first, and high second (32nd) to move up 4 spots to 18 (did get back a 3rd #79 in the deal).

I doubt you'd ever get a mid 1st for two seconds

I don't disagree with the bold.

I guess its really semantics. I look at it as if you move up in the draft, the cost is really only the extra picks that are paid in order to close the value gap from the difference in draft position, not the original pick itself.

 

[Heldig]

Kyle turris, not a dman but he was 22 coming off his elc with similar potantial to Trouba and the Sens got him for a bargain.

And likely every team in the league took notice and said that is not going to happen to us. Let him sit until we get a fair price.

 

[CaptainChef]

I don't disagree with the bold.

I guess its really semantics. I look at it as if you move up in the draft, the cost is really only the extra picks that are paid in order to close the value gap from the difference in draft position, not the original pick itself.

Yep, but the original poster indicated that teams regularly traded a 15-25th pick for a second and a third. Clearly, not going to happen unless they're going from 25 to 31 and even there a 3rd wouldn't make up the difference.

 

[Kiwi]

I do not see him sitting out the season, it will also not be a 1 to 2 year deal either. It will be a long term team friendly deal that will allow the Jets to maximize troubas trade value.

Pretty sure Trouba does not care what the Jets get back for him in a trade
He's holding out so he's going to make it easier for you guys to ship him out to any old destination why?
No way he makes this easier for you guys unless he likes the destination he's going to so no way he signs that type of contract without that in place at least