Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[McDonald19]

So a defenseman who's not very good is playing well.. why not sell while the value's high?

Because he actually is good? And they should just keep him?

 

[Whileee]

Because he actually is good? And they should just keep him?

How exactly do they clear cap space for Lindholm, then? Is it preferable to keep Fowler and let Lindholm sit?

 

[McDonald19]

How exactly do they clear cap space for Lindholm, then? Is it preferable to keep Fowler and let Lindholm sit?

LTIR Despres
LTIR Thompson
Demote Stoner to AHL

That gets them close.

 

[MikeRahl]

LTIR Despres
LTIR Thompson
Demote Stoner to AHL

That gets them close.

I think the issue here is going to be that the Ducks don't have a lot of cap relief coming. As of right now, they have 18 players signed with about 10 million in cap space. Sign Lindholm and you are at 19 with probably 4 million in cap space.

LTIR helps during the season, but they need to be cap compliant when the season starts, which would mean without making any deals they would be stuck with minimum players effectively.

 

[cobra427]

Bingo!

Some people think we need to trade him now now now now!!!!

That would be absolutely foolish unless we are getting a return we need.

They should have traded him yesterday, around the draft. The longer this goes, the less chance he signs and plays well for the Jets or that they get a decent return.

 

[North]

They should have traded him yesterday, around the draft. The longer this goes, the less chance he signs and plays well for the Jets or that they get a decent return.

The Jets are going to wait until they get the deal that they want. It hasn't materialized, hence no deal.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

They should have traded him yesterday, around the draft. The longer this goes, the less chance he signs and plays well for the Jets or that they get a decent return.

Traded him for what?

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

They should have traded him yesterday, around the draft. The longer this goes, the less chance he signs and plays well for the Jets or that they get a decent return.

obviously there was no good offer or he would be long gone by now. No rush what so ever. Chevy will wait till a good offer comes his way

 

[19Yzerman19]

We're not excited by forwards in general (unless they are a natural C). Miller has played C once upon a time but so have two-thirds of our forwards.

We need LHD, but too many fans not convinced that Skjei has top 4 upside. Same with McIIrath (and he's a RHD). Maybe if both were thrown in with Miller or Zucc & we added Stafford/Burmistrov or a decent prospect (other than Dano, Petan), that might do it?

In general though, we or our GM are in no major hurry. Trouba & his slimy agent really need some time to sweat this out. So yea, some time before late Nov unless a real good deal comes along.

yeah heaven forbid a player enact his right not to sign a contract with a team he doesn't want to play for right?

 

[Hunter368]

Fowler - Meh, zero interest.

Pass on offer, no interest.

Anything with Fowler as the main piece as the return for Trouba likely won't be well received by Jets fan base b/c of multi reasons.

 

[Hunter368]

yeah heaven forbid a player enact his right not to sign a contract with a team he doesn't want to play for right?

Totally agree, it's business not personal. GM has a right to sit on his rights for four more years as well. Goes both ways.

 

[Dijock94]

Fowler is almost certainly not being traded now. He just played 26 minutes and registered 1g1a +1. He's way too important to this team and only gets paid 4M dollars. He's the exact opposite of a cap dump.

How is trading him in this hypothetical deal a cap dump? Getting JT Miller is no cap dump

 

[tony d]

Judging by the way the Ducks are playing they got to get Lindholm signed even if it means trading Fowler.

 

[Pongs21]

With the rumours of Chris Drury and our GM Jeff Gorton personally scouting the Ducks and with the Trouba trade request, how about this?

J.T Miller for Fowler.

Why?

Anaheim clears cap to resign Lindholm and they get an young, promising LWer who scored over 20 goals last season. Anaheim got got young d-men in Vatanen, Lindholm. They got Despres,ä snd great D prospects in Montour, Theodore and so on forth.

Fowler + Klein + 2nd for Trouba.


Why?

The Rangers clears capspace for Trouba's upcoming contract. And they get someone to pair with McDonagh instead of Girardi...

Winnipeg gets an young LD in fowler, signed to an nice deal and shore up their LD. Also get underrated Klein who can play in top 4 if needed. Very good defensively, got an great slapshot.

Also gets an 2nd. Jets are good at drafting, so it might turn into someting.

Fowler - Byfuglien
Enström - Myers
? - Klein



What do you think?

No thanks. Unless Klein is replaced with a very promising LHD prospect, then don't even bother. Fowler helps in the short term, but IF Chevy is going to do some patch work to get something to his initial ask, he's going to need a high end long term piece, and Fowler at 2 years is not that, Klein does nothing for us.

 

[Maukkis]

Take out Klein and the pick, replace those with Skjei and it's a deal. Otherwise, no deal.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

PLEASE stop with the Trouba proposals.

Three way trades are super rare to happen, what makes you think it will?

Also there's a thread for this...

 

[cobra427]

The Jets are going to wait until they get the deal that they want. It hasn't materialized, hence no deal.

If the goal is "get the return you want" sure, keep waiting. If the goal is help the team, Chevy has already likely misplayed his hand because market value will be less the longer this goes on.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Fowler - Meh, zero interest.

Pass on offer, no interest.

Anything with Fowler as the main piece as the return for Trouba likely won't be well received by Jets fan base b/c of multi reasons.

+1

Additionally, this is roughly the 40th proposal formed by fans of teams that attempt to move Fowler to Winnipeg via a 3-way deal. It has been done already, FYI; still doesn't work.

Winnipeg fans don't really want him in return for Trouba.

 

[MikeRahl]

If the goal is "get the return you want" sure, keep waiting. If the goal is help the team, Chevy has already likely misplayed his hand because market value will be less the longer this goes on.

Why? The Morissey has been playing well through Pre-season and the first two games for the Jets. Would the Jets love to have Trouba in the lineup (or a player of comparable value in the lineup who they traded for Trouba) sure, but things are alright so far.

There are multiple teams in the mix for Trouba. Plus, all it takes is for one player to have a horrendous first 10-15 games on a contender/fringe team or a major injury and here is this player who has played big minutes on the top pair, who has excellent fancy-stats and is available via trade.

 

[Gump Hasek]

If the goal is "get the return you want" sure, keep waiting. If the goal is help the team, Chevy has already likely misplayed his hand because market value will be less the longer this goes on.

The counter to that is that it arguably is best for the team to not have the GM's hand forced by an RFA player that possesses minimal rights (at best).

What is best for the team is for the manager to make his own decisions ex any outside noise.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

If the goal is "get the return you want" sure, keep waiting. If the goal is help the team, Chevy has already likely misplayed his hand because market value will be less the longer this goes on.

Well if the goal was to help the team then we could have just traded him for an ok 3rd liner. It would be extremely poor asset management, but it would help the team.

 

[TheNewEra]

The counter to that is that it arguably is best for the team to not have the GM's hand forced by an RFA player that possesses minimal rights (at best).

What is best for the team is for the manager to make his own decisions ex any outside noise.

agreed especially since yzerman has set the standard twice on how to deal with a situation like this (drouin and MSL)

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Hamonic + Bailey

for

Trouba + Stafford


Thoughts?

I thought Staples said that Snow has no desire for Trouba, Considering that Trouba would cost way more then Hamonic to sign. Hamonic makes less then $4 million per and Trouba more then likely will want at least $5.5 million per long term. Other then that it's a good deal for both the Islanders and Jets.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

With the rumours of Chris Drury and our GM Jeff Gorton personally scouting the Ducks and with the Trouba trade request, how about this?

J.T Miller for Fowler.

Why?

Anaheim clears cap to resign Lindholm and they get an young, promising LWer who scored over 20 goals last season. Anaheim got got young d-men in Vatanen, Lindholm. They got Despres,ä snd great D prospects in Montour, Theodore and so on forth.

Fowler + Klein + 2nd for Trouba.


Why?

The Rangers clears capspace for Trouba's upcoming contract. And they get someone to pair with McDonagh instead of Girardi...

Winnipeg gets an young LD in fowler, signed to an nice deal and shore up their LD. Also get underrated Klein who can play in top 4 if needed. Very good defensively, got an great slapshot.

Also gets an 2nd. Jets are good at drafting, so it might turn into someting.

Fowler - Byfuglien
Enström - Myers
? - Klein



What do you think?

Miller makes what Tatar makes $2.75 million doubt that's enough to let BM resign Lindholm with only about $300,000 to $400,000 left BM will need a cheap controlled prospect on a cheap ELC for Fowler to be able to afford to resign Lindholm Miller doesn't do it. And Fowler+Klein+2nd is a pretty steep price for a guy who isn't even under contract right now. Fowler is fine not sure the jets need another D man in return like Klein they would want a D prospect so they can build their D core in the minors again.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The Fowler for Miller trade doesn't create enough space to sign Lindholm. Ducks only save 1.25 mil and put them at roughly 1.5 mil in cap space. I don't think LTIR'ing Despres for the season is an option at this point since they're still listing him as day-to-day. That generally doesn't last an entire season. Thompson could be an LTIR for the season option depending on how his recovery goes but assuming he does, that only adds another 1.6 mil to give the Ducks 3.1 mil in cap space. They're probably going to need twice that at a minimum to get Lindholm signed.