Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Pi]

Trouba to Toronto won't happen for two simple reasons.

1. Toronto won't give up the assets needed. Either Rielly or one of Nylander/Marner. Both of which are massive overpayments.

2. Toronto won't pay Trouba more than Rielly's $5 million salary.

3) There is no reason to do so at the moment. If we get Trouba, we lose a good player to expansion draft.

Any deals to upgrade D will be made in the offseason IMO.

 

[TML1967]

I know some people have him going to Yotes for Chychrun+, but after seeing some of the Yotes game yesterday, I think there is no chance in hell Yotes move Chychrun.

Good lord he was impressive

Agreed from a Leafs fan perspective. Really wish we had made that move to get Chych I was livid he kept dropping!
Kid looks like thr next Ekblad and I don't think that's much of a exaggeration

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

3) There is no reason to do so at the moment. If we get Trouba, we lose a good player to expansion draft.

Any deals to upgrade D will be made in the offseason IMO.

Ya I honestly don't see a Trouba to Leafs deal happening at all. IMO it just doesn't fit

 

[jetsjetsjets]

3) There is no reason to do so at the moment. If we get Trouba, we lose a good player to expansion draft.

Any deals to upgrade D will be made in the offseason IMO.

IF the Leafs picked up Trouba for nothing at all I still don't see how they really have to worry about losing a good player in expansion. Trouba is worth quite a bit more than any player that would be lost. If that's what's holding them back from completing this trade, their front office is off their rocker.

JVR, Reilly and Gardiner are the only players that must be protected and are in the Trouba value range.

 

[Hunter368]

3) There is no reason to do so at the moment. If we get Trouba, we lose a good player to expansion draft.

Any deals to upgrade D will be made in the offseason IMO.

I'm curious what players do you see the Leafs protecting as they stand now?

 

[The Podium]

To Toronto
Trouba

To Winnipeg
Fowler
Stoner
TOR/OTT/SJS 2017 2nd (Through ANA - conditional pick the receive from TOR)
SJS 2018 2nd (Through TOR)

To Anaheim
JVR

This is assuming Trouba is willing to sign in Toronto for a contract ~5 mill

Winnipeg gets rid of Trouba but take on a downgrade in Fowler, who as a LHD fills a need. Toronto compensates Winnipeg's loss of value with a 2nd, and Anaheim compensates the cap dump in Stoner for a 2nd.

Anaheim solves their LW problem and clears approximately 3 mill in cap space to sign Lindholm.

 

[Evil Little]

Sign and trades just don't happen in the NHL. And there's no reason for them in this case--Trouba can already talk to all of the other teams. If a team makes the Jets an offer for Trouba they've probably already discussed at least the parameters of some sort of contract, or at the very least are confident Trouba would want to sign and play for them.

Some players have sat out for a trade before signing and later being traded a la Turris. But even that wasn't a sign and trade--the Coyotes signed Turris with the intention of keeping him, before Turris forced their hand with his intentionally lackluster play.

Is the true, or just the official record?

To Toronto
Trouba

To Winnipeg
Fowler
Stoner
TOR/OTT/SJS 2017 2nd (Through ANA - conditional pick the receive from TOR)
SJS 2018 2nd (Through TOR)

To Anaheim
JVR

This is assuming Trouba is willing to sign in Toronto for a contract ~5 mill

Winnipeg gets rid of Trouba but take on a downgrade in Fowler, who as a LHD fills a need. Toronto compensates Winnipeg's loss of value with a 2nd, and Anaheim compensates the cap dump in Stoner for a 2nd.

Anaheim solves their LW problem and clears approximately 3 mill in cap space to sign Lindholm.

Haha!

No.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

To Toronto
Trouba

To Winnipeg
Fowler
Stoner
TOR/OTT/SJS 2017 2nd (Through ANA - conditional pick the receive from TOR)
SJS 2018 2nd (Through TOR)

To Anaheim
JVR

This is assuming Trouba is willing to sign in Toronto for a contract ~5 mill

Winnipeg gets rid of Trouba but take on a downgrade in Fowler, who as a LHD fills a need. Toronto compensates Winnipeg's loss of value with a 2nd, and Anaheim compensates the cap dump in Stoner for a 2nd.

Anaheim solves their LW problem and clears approximately 3 mill in cap space to sign Lindholm.

Lol Fowler+Stoner+Picks doesn't land you Trouba, Winnipeg has zero need for Stoner and Fowler isn't enough and Cheveldayoff already said that he has zero needs for picks right now that's pretty bad for Winnipeg. And no way is Trouba signing for $5 million in Toronto he will be seeking around $5.5 million to $6 million per just because it's Toronto. From what Dreger said more then likely Trouba would only sign with the hometown Red Wings for $5 million nowhere else.

 

[The Podium]

Haha!

No.

Lol Fowler+Stoner+Picks doesn't land you Trouba, Winnipeg has zero need for Stoner and Fowler isn't enough and Cheveldayoff already said that he has zero needs for picks right now that's pretty bad for Winnipeg. And no way is Trouba signing for $5 million in Toronto he will be seeking around $5.5 million to $6 million per just because it's Toronto. From what Dreger said more then likely Trouba would only sign with the hometown Red Wings for $5 million nowhere else.

Winnipeg is looking for a comparable LHD in return for Trouba. For a someone who is sitting and asked for a trade that isn't going to happen, not to mention D are currently at a premium and not many are actually available.

Yes Winnipeg has zero need for Stoner, obviously. Anaheim has a need to get rid of Stoner. Winnipeg doesn't want picks in return but there not getting a player of comparable value so the picks are used to balance value, it can be replaced by a prospect if need be.

Overall it is a complicated situation and the returns are very limited. This may not be perfect value but as a basis it makes sense and considers every teams needs. Make tweeks as necessary, but a young top 4 LHD with some potential + 2 2nds isn't bad value.

Also, Trouba has repeatedly said it isn't about the money. I don't expect him to sign for 5 because its Toronto, I expect him to sign for 5 because Lou can't justify paying him more than Rielly (unless its slight more over 8 years).

 

[JetsHomer]

Lol Fowler+Stoner+Picks doesn't land you Trouba, Winnipeg has zero need for Stoner and Fowler isn't enough and Cheveldayoff already said that he has zero needs for picks right now that's pretty bad for Winnipeg. And no way is Trouba signing for $5 million in Toronto he will be seeking around $5.5 million to $6 million per just because it's Toronto. From what Dreger said more then likely Trouba would only sign with the hometown Red Wings for $5 million nowhere else.

Please provide a quote of Dreger saying this

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Winnipeg is looking for a comparable LHD in return for Trouba. For a someone who is sitting and asked for a trade that isn't going to happen, not to mention D are currently at a premium and not many are actually available.

Yes Winnipeg has zero need for Stoner, obviously. Anaheim has a need to get rid of Stoner. Winnipeg doesn't want picks in return but there not getting a player of comparable value so the picks are used to balance value, it can be replaced by a prospect if need be.

Overall it is a complicated situation and the returns are very limited. This may not be perfect value but as a basis it makes sense and considers every teams needs. Make tweeks as necessary, but a young top 4 LHD with some potential + 2 2nds isn't bad value.

Also, Trouba has repeatedly said it isn't about the money. I don't expect him to sign for 5 because its Toronto, I expect him to sign for 5 because Lou can't justify paying him more than Rielly (unless its slight more over 8 years).

JVR for Fowler+Stoner still doesn't work cap wise for Anaheim, They only shed around $3 million and that's not enough to resign Lindholm. And like i said it will take far more then Stoner added to Fowler to entice Cheveldayoff to trade Trouba bottom line is this deal is horrendous for Winnipeg and Cheveldayoff can do far better then this elsewhere.

Any deal sending Fowler to Winnipeg would need another decent add on top Stoner and Fowler along with picks will not convince Cheveldayoff to trade Trouba just isn't going to happen. The add needs to be better then Stoner and 2 2nds any other team can offer a better deal then this. It's just plain awful for Winnipeg period.

And as far as Trouba stating it's not about the money, Maybe in Winnipeg it's not but he still wants to be paid, It's been well publicly documented by several sources that Trouba is seeking between $5.5 million to $6 million per long term so yes it's about money as it's about being able to play his natuaral position as well. Seth Jones and Ristolainen both signed for $5.4 million for 6 years the odds that Trouba signs for less is pretty small to none.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Please provide a quote of Dreger saying this

Don't know how to do the quotes, But when Dreger mentioned that Trouba more then likely would love to play in Detroit he also mentioned that he would maybe be willing to take a hometown discount to sign there.

 

[The Podium]

JVR for Fowler+Stoner still doesn't work cap wise for Anaheim, They only shed around $3 million and that's not enough to resign Lindholm. And like i said it will take far more then Stoner added to Fowler to entice Cheveldayoff to trade Trouba bottom line is this deal is horrendous for Winnipeg and Cheveldayoff can do far better then this elsewhere.

Any deal sending Fowler to Winnipeg would need another decent add on top Stoner and Fowler along with picks will not convince Cheveldayoff to trade Trouba just isn't going to happen. The add needs to be better then Stoner and 2 2nds any other team can offer a better deal then this. It's just plain awful for Winnipeg period.

And as far as Trouba stating it's not about the money, Maybe in Winnipeg it's not but he still wants to be paid, It's been well publicly documented by several sources that Trouba is seeking between $5.5 million to $6 million per long term so yes it's about money as it's about being able to play his natuaral position as well. Seth Jones and Ristolainen both signed for $5.4 million for 6 years the odds that Trouba signs for less is pretty small to none.

Stoner is a cap dump first of all.

Name one team that can/would offer a better deal.

Trouba is worse than Jones and Ristolainen and Rielly. Maybe on an 8 year deal he would make more in terms of $, but for the same term he wouldnt.

 

[Weezeric]

Stoner is a cap dump first of all.

Name one team that can/would offer a better deal.

Trouba is worse than Jones and Ristolainen and Rielly. Maybe on an 8 year deal he would make more in terms of $, but for the same term he wouldnt.

If you think that, then you don't value him the same as the jets do and won't be trading for him. It's as simple as that. For better or worse, Chevy won't trade him if he doesn't get what he wants. It's very unlikely trouba sits for a whole year. Either someone will meet Chevys high price or he will sign a bridge and play. Any other scenario is very unlikely imo

 

[Avs44]

Don't know how to do the quotes, But when Dreger mentioned that Trouba more then likely would love to play in Detroit he also mentioned that he would maybe be willing to take a hometown discount to sign there.

Even if he said all of that, that does not equate to you saying "Dreger said Trouba will ONLY sign in Detroit and nowhere else." Do you have a quote for that?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Stoner is a cap dump first of all.

Name one team that can/would offer a better deal.

Trouba is worse than Jones and Ristolainen and Rielly. Maybe on an 8 year deal he would make more in terms of $, but for the same term he wouldnt.

I agree Stoner is a cap dump, But a cap dump that Winnipeg doesn't need.

Philly could offer better with one of their young LHD same with Carolina. Boston probably could do better. Maybe something around Krug or McAvoy. Quite a few teams could offer better then just Fowler.

Trouba could easily command around 6 years @ $5.4 million, Maybe he just takes a bridge deal 1-2 years and then works on a long term extension later.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Even if he said all of that, that does not equate to you saying "Dreger said Trouba will ONLY sign in Detroit and nowhere else." Do you have a quote for that?

Where did i say that Dreger said thar Trouba would only sign with Detroit? Nowhere in my statement did i ever say that Dreger said that Trouba would just sign with Detroit. The article said and this was mere speculation on Dreger part that of course Trouba would love to play in Detroit And might be willing to give them a cheaper deal then say maybe he would to Boston that's it. He was on a Buffalo radio show and mentioned that Trouba would more then likely want to play for his hometown team nowhere was it mentioned only that he would sign with Detroit only.

 

[The Podium]

I agree Stoner is a cap dump, But a cap dump that Winnipeg doesn't need.

Philly could offer better with one of their young LHD same with Carolina. Boston probably could do better. Maybe something around Krug or McAvoy. Quite a few teams could offer better then just Fowler.

Trouba could easily command around 6 years @ $5.4 million, Maybe he just takes a bridge deal 1-2 years and then works on a long term extension later.

A team never needs a cap dump.

Philly has a LHD they can offer for Trouba? The Jets aren't getting Provorov, Sanheim or ghost.

Carolina? Not trading Faulk, Slavin or Hanifin.

And Trouba can command it but any team won't sign him for that IMO. He should be valued slightly less than Rilley, Risto and Jones

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Two part proposal involving Trouba to CBJ:

Part 1:

To WPG: Ryan Murray + Gregory Campbell (cap reasons in order to sign Trouba)

To CBJ: Jacob Trouba (signed to identical deal as Seth Jones - 6x32.4)


Part 2:

To EDM: Alexander Wennberg + David Savard

To CBJ: Leon Draisaitl + Mark Fayne


Saad-Draisaitl-Foligno
Hartnell-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Calvert-Jenner-Bjorkstrand
Anderson-Karlsson-Gagner

Werenski-Jones
Johnson-Trouba
Goloubef-Fayne

 

[Avs44]

Where did i say that Dreger said thar Trouba would only sign with Detroit? Nowhere in my statement did i ever say that Dreger said that Trouba would just sign with Detroit. The article said and this was mere speculation on Dreger part that of course Trouba would love to play in Detroit And might be willing to give them a cheaper deal then say maybe he would to Boston that's it. He was on a Buffalo radio show and mentioned that Trouba would more then likely want to play for his hometown team nowhere was it mentioned only that he would sign with Detroit only.

Fair enough, I misread this:

From what Dreger said more then likely Trouba would only sign with the hometown Red Wings for $5 million nowhere else

 

[JetsHomer]

Where did i say that Dreger said thar Trouba would only sign with Detroit? Nowhere in my statement did i ever say that Dreger said that Trouba would just sign with Detroit. The article said and this was mere speculation on Dreger part that of course Trouba would love to play in Detroit And might be willing to give them a cheaper deal then say maybe he would to Boston that's it. He was on a Buffalo radio show and mentioned that Trouba would more then likely want to play for his hometown team nowhere was it mentioned only that he would sign with Detroit only.

You literally said

"From what Dreger said more then (sic) likely Trouba would only sign with the hometown Red Wings for $5 million nowhere else.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

You literally said

"From what Dreger said more then (sic) likely Trouba would only sign with the hometown Red Wings for $5 million nowhere else.

Yeah but he said that i said, That Trouba would only sign with Detroit period and no other team and i didn't say that. What i said and what Dreger said is that Trouba might be willing to take less to play in Detroit then any where else. In other words maybe to play in Boston he wants $5.5 million x 6 years where in Detroit maybe he would be willing to sign for $5 million for 6-7 years or something like that.

 

[heretik27]

Two part proposal involving Trouba to CBJ:

Part 1:

To WPG: Ryan Murray + Gregory Campbell (cap reasons in order to sign Trouba)

To CBJ: Jacob Trouba (signed to identical deal as Seth Jones - 6x32.4)


Part 2:

To EDM: Alexander Wennberg + David Savard

To CBJ: Leon Draisaitl + Mark Fayne


Saad-Draisaitl-Foligno
Hartnell-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Calvert-Jenner-Bjorkstrand
Anderson-Karlsson-Gagner

Werenski-Jones
Johnson-Trouba
Goloubef-Fayne

Columbus doesn't touch another Overhardt player.

 

[Hunter368]

To Toronto
Trouba

To Winnipeg
Fowler
Stoner
TOR/OTT/SJS 2017 2nd (Through ANA - conditional pick the receive from TOR)
SJS 2018 2nd (Through TOR)

To Anaheim
JVR

This is assuming Trouba is willing to sign in Toronto for a contract ~5 mill

Winnipeg gets rid of Trouba but take on a downgrade in Fowler, who as a LHD fills a need. Toronto compensates Winnipeg's loss of value with a 2nd, and Anaheim compensates the cap dump in Stoner for a 2nd.

Anaheim solves their LW problem and clears approximately 3 mill in cap space to sign Lindholm.

Hell no from Jets.

 

[Evil Little]

Stoner is a cap dump first of all.

Name one team that can/would offer a better deal.

Trouba is worse than Jones and Ristolainen and Rielly. Maybe on an 8 year deal he would make more in terms of $, but for the same term he wouldnt.

Thanks so much for offering your final verdict on who's better than Trouba (you're wrong, by the way, in many peoples' estimation).

Two part proposal involving Trouba to CBJ:

Part 1:

To WPG: Ryan Murray + Gregory Campbell (cap reasons in order to sign Trouba)

To CBJ: Jacob Trouba (signed to identical deal as Seth Jones - 6x32.4)


Part 2:

To EDM: Alexander Wennberg + David Savard

To CBJ: Leon Draisaitl + Mark Fayne


Saad-Draisaitl-Foligno
Hartnell-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Calvert-Jenner-Bjorkstrand
Anderson-Karlsson-Gagner

Werenski-Jones
Johnson-Trouba
Goloubef-Fayne

1) Campbell doesn't have a cap-hit anymore now that he's been suspended.

2) Not high on Murray, though I know some Jets fans will disagree.

3) Kekäläinen doesn't touch Trouba unless he's already signed long-term.

You literally said

"From what Dreger said more then (sic) likely Trouba would only sign with the hometown Red Wings for $5 million nowhere else.

Actually they literally typed it and posted it to the internet, if we're going to be ducks about it.