Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Guffman]

Holy **** what is so hard to understand the MAIN piece coming has to be top 4 Dman,
we have forward depth we don't need forwards. Chevy waits Trouba signs and then gets traded for a Dman that helps us now not 3 years from now.

Rumour had it that the Jets were asking for two high-end forward prospects from Detroit.

I doubt we'll get a LHD Trouba clone. :p

 

[Halla]

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...ilter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=timeOnIcePerGame

39th over the last 3 years in ice time per game.
He was 19, 20 and 21. He's already a top 2 defenceman.

throwing a guy on the ice a lot on a terrible team doesnt mean he is a top 2 dman. matt hunwick gets 22 mins a game, he isnt a #2-#3

 

[leaflover]

Toronto doesn't seem likely. Has to be a team that wants to shuffle their defense deck rather than a team needing to add defense.
Should really just forget about the Leafs and Trouba, IMO.

 

[Srsly]

Eklund tends to report Toronto as a finalist for every RFA/UFA of interest. Arizona is a little interesting though, that one is a little out of left field for me.

From the Leafs perspective,I suppose that I wouldn't necessarily be upset if we ended up with Trouba without parting with Marner, Nylander, Matthews or Rielly. That's likely of out the question as I can't think of anyone else on our roster that would intrigue the Jets.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...ilter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=timeOnIcePerGame

39th over the last 3 years in ice time per game.
He was 19, 20 and 21. He's already a top 2 defenceman.

No he's not it takes more than ice time to be a real top 2 d man

I mean if he go by that logic Kadri is a 1st line centre

 

[Rebuilt]

Toronto MUST be a finalist. Eklund needs hits to his site.

 

[Homesick]

First off, I think he's 39th in ice time in the NHL over the last three years. That's not second pairing ice time.

Secondly, Trouba has only regressed to those who look at box scores and nothing else. He's been great since he broke into the league.

Yet over that same period Byfuglien, Meyers, Enstrom, and Bogosian all played more minutes per game than him

 

[Guffman]

Who cares if he's under the Jets control, Obviously Trouba no longer wants to play in Winnipeg any more per some reports. So obviously it's up to Overhardt and Cheveldayoff to possibly get a sign and trade deal done that would benefit Chevy maybe a deal to either Philly or Carolina that would send a decent young D man back in return that can help Winnipeg in a year or two. It's not really benefiting Chevy either to let his young D man just sit out as well. Because the way Cheveldayoff is handling this situation now why would Trouba want to come back and play. Chevy knowing full well that Trouba seek a trade back in May and it's only coming to light now.

If I was to speculate, Overhardt/Trouba were probably trying to direct the destination and the Jets were not getting a fair return. Chevy's best tactic is to delay this until late November and break Overhardt/Trouba's resolve to open up more trade destinations and be more reasonable on salary asks for the destination team.

I mean, I think this is what is likely happening and I don't blame Chevy for taking this tactic.

 

[Guffman]

Wrong the Jets only have Trouba controlled for 4 more years until he turns 27 on February 26 so Trouba can play in the KHL for 4 years and return when he's a UFA he's a UFA after 4 more years not 5 and then the Jets don't have a say.

Well, you're actually wrong on the years.

Trouba would be a UFA at 26 due to 7 years of service. If Trouba misses a year or more of NHL, he delays his UFA until he's 27.

So, 27 - 22 = 5 years of KHL.

To clarify, since you need some help here, the Jets control Trouba for four years, though if Trouba doesn't sign this year, Jets will still control him for four years. That's why the Jets have a big hammer in leverage and Trouba really has to sign by December 1. Trouba will basically miss out a UFA year of his career if he doesn't sign, while he Jets still retain the same years of control.

Trouba just HAS to sign unless he wants to shoot himself in the foot and Chevy knows this.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Toronto doesn't seem likely. Has to be a team that wants to shuffle their defense deck rather than a team needing to add defense.
Should really just forget about the Leafs and Trouba, IMO.

We need to shuffle the deck, not add to it. We already have 8 NHL D, but we could use someone better than Marincin beside Rielly. As good as Marincin is, he's not top pairing quality.

Trouba makes sense for the Leafs, but only for the right price. Gardiner is expendable in this case, but if they are asking for a haul on top of him I'm sure we'll simply reject and move on.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Well, you're actually wrong on the years.

Trouba would be a UFA at 26 due to 7 years of service. If Trouba misses a year or more of NHL, he delays his UFA until he's 27.

So, 27 - 22 = 5 years of KHL.

To clarify, since you need some help here, the Jets control Trouba for four years, though if Trouba doesn't sign this year, Jets will still control him for four years. That's why the Jets have a big hammer in leverage and Trouba really has to sign by December 1. Trouba will basically miss out a UFA year of his career if he doesn't sign, while he Jets still retain the same years of control.

Trouba just HAS to sign unless he wants to shoot himself in the foot and Chevy knows this.

Thanks for the clarification i keep forgetting that as far as the KHL would be concerned it would be 5 years for Trouba and not 4 years as i thought. Keep forgetting that he would be a pending UFA in 5 years not 4 if he gets his act together and gets a contract here so he can play here shortly.

 

[Guffman]

Thanks for the clarification i keep forgetting that as far as the KHL would be concerned it would be 5 years for Trouba and not 4 years as i thought. Keep forgetting that he would be a pending UFA in 5 years not 4 if he gets his act together and gets a contract here so he can play here shortly.

Yeah, end result is that Trouba is effectively permanently throwing away a prime UFA year if he doesn't sign by December 1.

So, I figure he'll nridge with the Jets or be more flexible on destination once it approaches that deadline.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah, end result is that Trouba is effectively permanently throwing away a prime UFA year if he doesn't sign by December 1.

So, I figure he'll nridge with the Jets or be more flexible on destination once it approaches that deadline.

That's pretty much what i'm thinking as well, Just can't see Trouba throwing away a year like this. Like you said pretty sure that Trouba and Cheveldayoff will try and work out a potential destination that would benefit both by the December 1 deadline. Maybe a deal to philly perhaps Philly has some sweet LD that i'm pretty sure that Chevy would love to get his hands on here.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I wonder if his slow start( zero points) to the season will affect his value.

 

[Heldig]

Losing Little to injury might change the want. Not likely but it might.

 

[buttman*]

I wonder if his slow start( zero points) to the season will affect his value.

HIs decline in points over the last two years hasn't -- so why would it?

 

[Evil Little]

I wonder if his slow start( zero points) to the season will affect his value.

But 0 corsis against. Wow!

 

[leaflover]

We need to shuffle the deck, not add to it. We already have 8 NHL D, but we could use someone better than Marincin beside Rielly. As good as Marincin is, he's not top pairing quality.

Trouba makes sense for the Leafs, but only for the right price. Gardiner is expendable in this case, but if they are asking for a haul on top of him I'm sure we'll simply reject and move on.

Marincin is bottom pairing on a quality blueline. Right now Toronto has 2 top 4 d-men, and Zaitsev/Carrick as possibilities down the road. So they need to add, ideally a top2, but definitely a top 4. They need to accomplish this without surrendering one of the 2 they have now or the quality remains shallow.
Personally I don't feel this is something that must be done soon as there's still a long way to go before all the holes are plugged. Prefer to wait until the offseason and see whats available unless an actual #1 came available, which I doubt happens.

 

[Halla]

Marincin is bottom pairing on a quality blueline. Right now Toronto has 2 top 4 d-men, and Zaitsev/Carrick as possibilities down the road. So they need to add, ideally a top2, but definitely a top 4. They need to accomplish this without surrendering one of the 2 they have now or the quality remains shallow.
Personally I don't feel this is something that must be done soon as there's still a long way to go before all the holes are plugged. Prefer to wait until the offseason and see whats available unless an actual #1 came available, which I doubt happens.

Zaitsev is easily a top 4 dman right now. kid has been great at the world championships, world cup, and has already shown great poise in the NHL. just because he is playing on the 3rd paring (for some unknown reason) doesnt mean he isnt a top 4 calibre D.

Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-???
Marincin-Carrick

we need another top 4 rhd, or hope that carrick develops into it.
hunwick and polak wont be on the team next year

 

[bossram]

Zaitsev is easily a top 4 dman right now. kid has been great at the world championships, world cup, and has already shown great poise in the NHL. just because he is playing on the 3rd paring (for some unknown reason) doesnt mean he isnt a top 4 calibre D.

Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-???
Marincin-Carrick

we need another top 4 rhd, or hope that carrick develops into it.
hunwick and polak wont be on the team next year

I think that Carrick can grow into it. He's looked impressive and was dynamite in AHL playoffs last season.

Anyway as you said, it's not a pressing need at the moment. Maybe you can get a guy like Shattenkirk for just cash in summer.

 

[gwh]

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...ilter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=timeOnIcePerGame

39th over the last 3 years in ice time per game.
He was 19, 20 and 21. He's already a top 2 defenceman.

In Jets, and only in jets.

Trouba's ask over the market, otherwise there would be an offersheet, trade or signing already.

He ll sign 4.5 max for couple years, and Chev will trade him later.

 

[pspot]

Zaitsev would have to carry the second pair. So be as good or better than gardiner

Gardiner + is what I'd offer from leafs perspective if that was the case

 

[leafsfan1234]

Something around Gardiner and Trouba would be nice, but I have a feeling Lou isn't too interested in acquiring a guy who would abandon his team out of the blue like this.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I know some people have him going to Yotes for Chychrun+, but after seeing some of the Yotes game yesterday, I think there is no chance in hell Yotes move Chychrun.

Good lord he was impressive

 

[scan15*]

Trouba to Toronto won't happen for two simple reasons.

1. Toronto won't give up the assets needed. Either Rielly or one of Nylander/Marner. Both of which are massive overpayments.

2. Toronto won't pay Trouba more than Rielly's $5 million salary.