Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Say What]

I think this is a pretty optimistic view from the Jets POV.

I doubt other GMs feel like doing them any favours - likely are circling like Sharks in bloody water trying to get a young D man for below market value

Nothing about losing Jacob Trouba is optimistic.

However, these circumstances have existed since May; so why would the Jets need GM's to do them favours. IMO, TNSE have rebuffed every offer presented to them (since the draft-presently). They've stated their position (Jacob is a vital part of the organization) and their price (Top end talent).

Again.....business as usual.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Well as a Leafs fans I wouldn't do Trouba for Gardiner straight up.

He's a great two-way defenceman that rarely makes mistakes and has a great contract id rather keep him than acquire a 22 year old attitude problem that probably wants north of 6 million who may or may not be the top paring RHD we need.

This Leafs fan respectfully disagrees.

 

[Hoverhand]

Nothing about losing Jacob Trouba is optimistic.

However, these circumstances have existed since May; so why would the Jets need GM's to do them favours. IMO, TNSE have rebuffed every offer presented to them (since the draft-presently). They've stated their position (Jacob is a vital part of the organization) and their price (Top end talent).

Again.....business as usual.

Somebody will crack first, until then we'll be sitting on the Internet arguing whether or not Trouba is overrated.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I don't get why the Leads would trade Gardiner for Trouba. Whatever you think about Advanced stats, Gardiner is one of the best possession defenseman intbe league, he's a great puck mover and a great skater. Not sure how that helps Toronto. Seems like you are just moving parts around just to move them around. Great return for Winnipeg though if they could get him.

 

[tacogeoff]

Somebody will crack first, until then we'll be sitting on the Internet arguing whether or not Trouba is overrated.

very true.

 

[Menzinger]

I don't get why the Leads would trade Gardiner for Trouba. Whatever you think about Advanced stats, Gardiner is one of the best possession defenseman intbe league, he's a great puck mover and a great skater. Not sure how that helps Toronto. Seems like you are just moving parts around just to move them around. Great return for Winnipeg though if they could get him.

It would be more about age than anything else.

Trouba as the younger guy would fit in bit better with the Leafs young forwards.

Though at present I admittedly don't feel there's a huge gap between them in terms of in ice value

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

The kicker will be how much money Trouba actually wants. Sure there have been reports of him asking insane money but is it actually true?

im assuming Chevy will grant teams permission to discuss contract talks before a deal is done... so if he wakes up and realizes he isn't worth much more than 5(I still think 5 mill is MAX but im sure he will get more) the Jets will get a massive return. If he is asking more than 6, the return wont be as good.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

This Leafs fan respectfully disagrees.

ya it seems like some Leaf fans like Gardiner but a large amount don't like him at all. He gets crapped on every game it seems on GDT's by fans

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The kicker will be how much money Trouba actually wants. Sure there have been reports of him asking insane money but is it actually true?

im assuming Chevy will grant teams permission to discuss contract talks before a deal is done... so if he wakes up and realizes he isn't worth much more than 5(I still think 5 mill is MAX but im sure he will get more) the Jets will get a massive return. If he is asking more than 6, the return wont be as good.

I think Trouba will get more then $5 million per, I think he will ask for the Seth jones Ristolainen deal around $5.4 million for 6 years or so and he's worth that kind of money just to about any team out there.

 

[57special]

He isn't around. He's sitting on his couch, watching TV, playing with his dog or something. We have NOTHING to gain from even trying to get him to sign, as he won't do that. We also have nothing to gain from trading him for forwards - the ones who would upgrade our team aren't available. A goalie is also a no-no, as we have Hellebuyck to protect.

Defense is the only option. If it's a high end prospect we end up getting, fine. They are needed too, they just aren't as needed as proven talent. (shocking, I know) Anything else would be essentially wasting the best trading chip we have. If Trouba isn't coming back, the option of getting a similar defenseman is pretty much off the table, barring a similar situation elsewhere around the league. A prospect doesn't help us now. So, the question is: why trade Trouba for value, when it a) doesn't help us where we need it the most, or b) doesn't help us at all right now?

Tomorrow (or today depending on timezones), Trouba's holdout has cost him over 100 thousand dollars already. It adds up quickly. And in the end, he didn't want to sign. He's sacrificing that money himself, so I don't know what are you trying to say with the punishment stuff.

You misunderstood my point. AS it stands now, the Jets position seems to be to force Trouba to play for them when he doesn't want to. My point is that it is not a good position for the Jets having an unhappy Trouba in the dressing room, assuming the Jets "win" this dispute.

I don't see how Trouba can't have value in this league, assuming Trouba's agent doesn't make unreasonable contract demands. This is very similar to the Johansen situation. CBJ got back a pretty good player in Jones.

 

[CaptainChef]

So I know this has been said but fowler for trouba then trouba for picks , prospects then ducks sign lindholm makes too much sense ?

So if you realize its been said, and we've repeatedly said we have ZERO interest in such a trade, why even bother.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I think Trouba will get more then $5 million per, I think he will ask for the Seth jones Ristolainen deal around $5.4 million for 6 years or so and he's worth that kind of money just to about any team out there.

Ya I assume when all is said and done, itll be Risto/Jones money

 

[KidLine93]

It's Klefbom or nothing. Not RNH. Definitely not Nurse.

Klefbom is cheaper and better than Trouba. I don't think you understand that Trouba has lost value by putting himself in this situation

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

What does emotion have to do with facts?

And I'm not emotional about this at all. You'll just have to take my word for it.

emotion often gets in the way of facts, it almost always does

posters who think trouba will just be forced by Chevy to sit and rot in europe for four years are not thinking clearly, they're upset about the situation and want to "punish" trouba but that just wont ever happen

posters who think Trouba will go to whichever team Chevy tells him to are wrong, while chevy will want to be seen as setting an example and not letting a RFA dictate all the terms he isnt about to let a player into the locker room who dosent want to be there(or wont be accepted) and nor does he want to diminish the return by not moving him sooner rather than later

2 things will happen

- trouba will be asked for a list of his top choice(1-3 teams) that he would go to without a new contract or
- if a deal cant be worked out with one of those teams he will be asked to provide a list of another 2-4 teams he would go to with a new contract in place before a trade is made

 

[Stej]

emotion often gets in the way of facts, it almost always does

posters who think trouba will just be forced by Chevy to sit and rot in europe for four years are not thinking clearly, they're upset about the situation and want to "punish" trouba but that just wont ever happen

posters who think Trouba will go to whichever team Chevy tells him to are wrong, while chevy will want to be seen as setting an example and not letting a RFA dictate all the terms he isnt about to let a player into the locker room who dosent want to be there(or wont be accepted) and nor does he want to diminish the return by not moving him sooner rather than later

2 things will happen

- trouba will be asked for a list of his top choice(1-3 teams) that he would go to without a new contract or
- if a deal cant be worked out with one of those teams he will be asked to provide a list of another 2-4 teams he would go to with a new contract in place before a trade is made

I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge that Trouba sitting out for a long stretch is unlikely or even highly unlikely, but that does not mean it's a fact that he won't. I'm really sorry for you if you can't grasp the distinction between something that is a fact and something that is highly (im)probable.

 

[McDavyCrockett]

Klefbom is cheaper and better than Trouba. I don't think you understand that Trouba has lost value by putting himself in this situation

No he's not. Trouba is definitely the better player at this point in time, contracts aside.

Trouba's already a #2 guy. If we can add him without losing any of Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, or Russell going the other way, we're a playoff team.

 

[Keystone]

emotion often gets in the way of facts, it almost always does

posters who think trouba will just be forced by Chevy to sit and rot in europe for four years are not thinking clearly, they're upset about the situation and want to "punish" trouba but that just wont ever happen

posters who think Trouba will go to whichever team Chevy tells him to are wrong, while chevy will want to be seen as setting an example and not letting a RFA dictate all the terms he isnt about to let a player into the locker room who dosent want to be there(or wont be accepted) and nor does he want to diminish the return by not moving him sooner rather than later

2 things will happen

- trouba will be asked for a list of his top choice(1-3 teams) that he would go to without a new contract or
- if a deal cant be worked out with one of those teams he will be asked to provide a list of another 2-4 teams he would go to with a new contract in place before a trade is made

Nope. He is a RFA. Any team seriously offering for him, will know exactly what it will cost to sign him and likely have a contract drawn up already.

 

[KidLine93]

No he's not. Trouba is definitely the better player at this point in time, contracts aside.

Trouba's already a #2 guy. If we can add him without losing any of Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, or Russell going the other way, we're a playoff team.

he's a 2nd pairing guy. not a #2.

He may become a top pairing guy but I don't want to deal a player I view as better on a very cap friendly long term deal for a guy who has regressed statistically his last two years and wants to be paid like a #1. He is asking for Seth Jones/Risto type money most likely and he isn't as good as Jones/Risto by any means

 

[Evil Little]

AS it stands now, the Jets position seems to be to force Trouba to play for them when he doesn't want to.

I don't think that's clear.

I don't see the Jets trading him before he signs, but I think it's because the Jets won't trade him when the only teams in the bidding are ones he wants to go to.

If he signs, suddenly every team's an option.

 

[JetsHomer]

I think Trouba will sign a bridge deal in November and be traded shortly after that to a team that needs a Dman. There will surely be many

 

[larmex99]

I don't think that's clear.

I don't see the Jets trading him before he signs, but I think it's because the Jets won't trade him when the only teams in the bidding are ones he wants to go to.

If he signs, suddenly every team's an option.

Exactly! Anyone who thinks Chevy will do this guy a solid and take less than he is worth so he can live close to mom and dad clearly doesn't know Chevy.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Nope. He is a RFA. Any team seriously offering for him, will know exactly what it will cost to sign him and likely have a contract drawn up already.

his demands will likely be differently(perhaps vastly) between his top choice and his 6th choice

 

[Weezeric]

emotion often gets in the way of facts, it almost always does

posters who think trouba will just be forced by Chevy to sit and rot in europe for four years are not thinking clearly, they're upset about the situation and want to "punish" trouba but that just wont ever happen

posters who think Trouba will go to whichever team Chevy tells him to are wrong, while chevy will want to be seen as setting an example and not letting a RFA dictate all the terms he isnt about to let a player into the locker room who dosent want to be there(or wont be accepted) and nor does he want to diminish the return by not moving him sooner rather than later

2 things will happen

- trouba will be asked for a list of his top choice(1-3 teams) that he would go to without a new contract or
- if a deal cant be worked out with one of those teams he will be asked to provide a list of another 2-4 teams he would go to with a new contract in place before a trade is made

This is all based off of nothing. Certainly not "facts". Look at the 3 most recent players to demand a trade. They all resigned with their teams. The only way trouba will be traded to a team he wants to play for is if that team makes an offer that is up to Chevys high standards. He's not going to give him away just because he asked in the same way that yzerman didn't give away drouin because he asked for a trade

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge that Trouba sitting out for a long stretch is unlikely or even highly unlikely, but that does not mean it's a fact that he won't. I'm really sorry for you if you can't grasp the distinction between something that is a fact and something that is highly (im)probable.

its 99.999999% chance trouba will not be sitting in europe for the next 4 years if he dosent do as chevy tells him to

thats as close to a fact as you can get

 

[Say What]

emotion often gets in the way of facts, it almost always does

posters who think trouba will just be forced by Chevy to sit and rot in europe for four years are not thinking clearly, they're upset about the situation and want to "punish" trouba but that just wont ever happen

posters who think Trouba will go to whichever team Chevy tells him to are wrong, while chevy will want to be seen as setting an example and not letting a RFA dictate all the terms he isnt about to let a player into the locker room who dosent want to be there(or wont be accepted) and nor does he want to diminish the return by not moving him sooner rather than later

2 things will happen

- trouba will be asked for a list of his top choice(1-3 teams) that he would go to without a new contract or
- if a deal cant be worked out with one of those teams he will be asked to provide a list of another 2-4 teams he would go to with a new contract in place before a trade is made

IMO, the Winnipeg Jets have no vested interest in where Jacob Trouba wants to go.

IMO, without an NHL contract, Jacob isn't even a concern of this organization (Overhardt wants to deal with other teams directly). With a contract, I believe the Jets would try to facilitate a trade (may not be a city of his liking).