Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Yzerman1919*]

How do you figure that!

Because his hand controls the pen that signs the piece of paper....

 

[Weezeric]

How do you figure that!

He has the right to play in the KHL for 5 seasons, until he is 27, then he can sign with any team! I don't see that happening though

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

How do you figure that!

because if he dosent want to sign he wont

people can say "well then let him sit out forever" but that is just emotional nonsense as that will not and does not EVER happen

if trouba has a list of teams, a short list, for whatever reason(and thats not for anyone but him to decide) then that is where he will more than likely end up

 

[Gotaf7]

Because his hand controls the pen that signs the piece of paper....

He has no options but to sign if he wants to play in the NHL.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How do you figure that!

Because since he's not under contract, He can pretty much talk to any team he feels like it. He can refuse to sign with a Canadian team or Western team if it's true that he only wants to play for a team close to Detroit or will only agree to a deal in the Eastern Conference then he's pretty much controlling where he will sign and play. In other words since Trouba isn't signed yet Cheveldayoff can't just trade him to a team that gives him the best offer.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

He has no options but to sign if he wants to play in the NHL.

Yeah but it would be a team of Trouba's choosing not Cheveldayoff's choosing. He can still controll what part of the country he wants to play in or just sit out Chevy can't just say you're getting traded to Edmonton like it or not it doesn't work that way he would still have to agree to sign a contract there and more then likely wouldn't.

 

[Gotaf7]

Because since he's not under contract, He can pretty much talk to any team he feels like it. He can refuse to sign with a Canadian team or Western team if it's true that he only wants to play for a team close to Detroit or will only agree to a deal in the Eastern Conference then he's pretty much controlling where he will sign and play. In other words since Trouba isn't signed yet Cheveldayoff can't just trade him to a team that gives him the best offer.

So are you suggesting that he is walking away from the NHL he is not under contract but he is under Jets control for 4 more years. His career runs through
Winnipeg whether he likes it or not, Chevy will not trade him unless he gets an equal Dman back and I agree that deal is not coming, his only option is to sign a deal with Winnipeg or hope Chevy blinks. It is pretty much unanimous with Jets fans that Chevy won't blink, I can't see any scenario at this point except sign and trade that helps young Jacob.

 

[Gotaf7]

Yeah but it would be a team of Trouba's choosing not Cheveldayoff's choosing. He can still controll what part of the country he wants to play in or just sit out Chevy can't just say you're getting traded to Edmonton like it or not it doesn't work that way he would still have to agree to sign a contract there and more then likely wouldn't.

Again Chevy is not going to let a RFA that is under his control for 4 more years dictate to him where he plays. He either signs or he sits, who loses the most under that scenario?

 

[Yzerman1919*]

Again Chevy is not going to let a RFA that is under his control for 4 more years dictate to him where he plays. He either signs or he sits, who loses the most under that scenario?

WPG doesn't have their former top 10 draft pick playing. And they don't get ANY assets or draft picks out of him either. THAT is plenty loss for WPG if you ask me.

The guy doesn't want to be in WPG. Get over it if that offends you.

You want to sign a guy long term that couldn't give two ***** about playing for you guys anymore?? I sure wouldn't

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Again Chevy is not going to let a RFA that is under his control for 4 more years dictate to him where he plays. He either signs or he sits, who loses the most under that scenario?

Not that it would ever happen, But he could decide to go over to the KHL for 4 years and then come back and sign with a team of his own choosing. Don't see Trouba doing that but i will be totally surprised if Trouba ever suits up for Winnipeg again unless it's a sign and trade deal with another team. Trouba wont be signing any deal with Winnipeg and that's pretty much out of the mouth of Overhardt himself.

 

[KBobs]

And I simply explained that there is no undervaluing of Lindholm or Fowler going on and the real issue is you undervaluing Trouba.

Trouba is better than Fowler, like by a lot. This isn't undervaluing Fowler or saying he's a bad player, he's just isn't a true top pairing and is not as good as Trouba. Lots of good players fit that description

Lindholm is really good and underestimated by many people, he's a #1D right now and looks ready to push into the upper end of #1 D-men. He's more proven than Trouba but the numbers suggest that given similar teammates and roles they would have similar overall performance. (Trouba better offensively Lindholm better defensively.)

Ugh. You completely misinterpreted the entirety of my posts. I never brought up Trouba's value (It was a "Fowler is a top 6 or top 4" discussion), yet you insist I did . I don't undervalue him--and any fair minded person would come to this conclusion given I never mentioned his name--end of discussion. Please stop insinuating a false notion and can we please move on.

Let us both hope he comes to his senses, realizes he's in a position of weakness, and reports to camp before he misses the year. He ought to know that Kane requested out of Winnipeg 3 seperate times (in a span of over 2 years, was it?) before he was sent packing. The precedent from a Jets management prospective was set in that situation, so why sit out? Does he really dislike the city that much? The plus side to this fiasco is that it's forced top 4 minutes on Morissey, who didn't look out of place in game 1. I was really impressed with his transition game and look forward to the development of his game.

 

[Evil Little]

Again Chevy is not going to let a RFA that is under his control for 4 more years dictate to him where he plays. He either signs or he sits, who loses the most under that scenario?

I've read the thread, so I know the answer.

The Jets lose because not only is Trouba a growing cancer in the Winnipeg locker room (um, from Detroit where he currently is) but the Jets are also withholding themselves from having Trouba's trade return in the lineup in the meantime.

Despite the fact that Trouba is a 'overrated problem child' they could have an excellent return featuring some combination of unnecessary wingers, ****** prospects, and ho-hum picks.

Why would Chevy rob the Jets of such an amazing return?? It would turn their season around!

WPG doesn't have their former top 10 draft pick playing. And they don't get ANY assets or draft picks out of him either. THAT is plenty loss for WPG if you ask me.

The guy doesn't want to be in WPG. Get over it if that offends you.

You want to sign a guy long term that couldn't give two ***** about playing for you guys anymore?? I sure wouldn't

He needs to sign so the Jets can trade him to any team, not just the couple he wants to play for.

I'd rather he stayed in Winnipeg, but if that's not possible maximize your trade leverage by getting him to sign first. Get him to sign first by letting December 1st creep up on him with no sign of activity on the trade front.

It's very simple.

Not that it would ever happen, But he could decide to go over to the KHL for 4 years and then come back and sign with a team of his own choosing. Don't see Trouba doing that but i will be totally surprised if Trouba ever suits up for Winnipeg again unless it's a sign and trade deal with another team. Trouba wont be signing any deal with Winnipeg and that's pretty much out of the mouth of Overhardt himself.

Five years.

 

[KBobs]

Not that it would ever happen, But he could decide to go over to the KHL for 4 years and then come back and sign with a team of his own choosing. Don't see Trouba doing that but i will be totally surprised if Trouba ever suits up for Winnipeg again unless it's a sign and trade deal with another team. Trouba wont be signing any deal with Winnipeg and that's pretty much out of the mouth of Overhardt himself.

You said it yourself--it will never happen. So with all due respect, it's a non-issue that doesn't increase his negotiating power.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So are you suggesting that he is walking away from the NHL he is not under contract but he is under Jets control for 4 more years. His career runs through
Winnipeg whether he likes it or not, Chevy will not trade him unless he gets an equal Dman back and I agree that deal is not coming, his only option is to sign a deal with Winnipeg or hope Chevy blinks. It is pretty much unanimous with Jets fans that Chevy won't blink, I can't see any scenario at this point except sign and trade that helps young Jacob.

Who cares if he's under the Jets control, Obviously Trouba no longer wants to play in Winnipeg any more per some reports. So obviously it's up to Overhardt and Cheveldayoff to possibly get a sign and trade deal done that would benefit Chevy maybe a deal to either Philly or Carolina that would send a decent young D man back in return that can help Winnipeg in a year or two. It's not really benefiting Chevy either to let his young D man just sit out as well. Because the way Cheveldayoff is handling this situation now why would Trouba want to come back and play. Chevy knowing full well that Trouba seek a trade back in May and it's only coming to light now.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I've read the thread, so I know the answer.

The Jets lose because not only is Trouba a growing cancer in the Winnipeg locker room (um, from Detroit where he currently is) but the Jets are also withholding themselves from having Trouba's trade return in the lineup in the meantime.

Despite the fact that Trouba is a 'overrated problem child' they could have an excellent return featuring some combination of unnecessary wingers, ****** prospects, and ho-hum picks.

Why would Chevy rob the Jets of such an amazing return?? It would turn their season around!





He needs to sign so the Jets can trade him to any team, not just the couple he wants to play for.

I'd rather he stayed in Winnipeg, but if that's not possible maximize your trade leverage by getting him to sign first. Get him to sign first by letting December 1st creep up on him with no sign of activity on the trade front.

It's very simple.



Five years.

Wrong the Jets only have Trouba controlled for 4 more years until he turns 27 on February 26 so Trouba can play in the KHL for 4 years and return when he's a UFA he's a UFA after 4 more years not 5 and then the Jets don't have a say.

 

[Yzerman1919*]

I've read the thread, so I know the answer.

The Jets lose because not only is Trouba a growing cancer in the Winnipeg locker room (um, from Detroit where he currently is) but the Jets are also withholding themselves from having Trouba's trade return in the lineup in the meantime.

Despite the fact that Trouba is a 'overrated problem child' they could have an excellent return featuring some combination of unnecessary wingers, ****** prospects, and ho-hum picks.

Why would Chevy rob the Jets of such an amazing return?? It would turn their season around!





He needs to sign so the Jets can trade him to any team, not just the couple he wants to play for.

I'd rather he stayed in Winnipeg, but if that's not possible maximize your trade leverage by getting him to sign first. Get him to sign first by letting December 1st creep up on him with no sign of activity on the trade front.

It's very simple.



Five years.

I'm glad a WPG fan here understands this, considering the other guy was literally cursing at us for making trade proposals that didn't involved Victor Hedman.

Trouba was a top 10 pick, WPG obviously wants someone they invested a huge decision with a top 10 pick on playing for them. And if you want him staying in WPG, he's just going to a be an unenthused distraction. The guys in the room know he doesn't want to be there, Trouba himself does, and at this point the whole hockey world does. I wouldn't want a guy like that on my team.

In terms of "ho hum" trades and picks. Getting sent a first round prospect and a first round pick isn't "ho hum" by any means. If Chevy wants LHD, he can get a LHD, he just isn't going to get a lateral move defenseman out of it.

Which is why something like Svechnikov+XO/Smith+1st/2nd is SOMEWHAT reasonable. You get a first round center prospect, an NHL ready LHD for your D depth, and a 1st rounder out of it.

 

[Ciao]

Holy **** what is so hard to understand the MAIN piece coming has to be top 4 Dman,
we have forward depth we don't need forwards. Chevy waits Trouba signs and then gets traded for a Dman that helps us now not 3 years from now.

If that's the case then the Jets are in a bit of a box.

Trouba is a good unsigned player with a me-first sense of entitlement and an aggresive agent. Twenty-nine other teams are not likely too interested in giving up their most talented young defencemen to buy into that package.

They would probably offer collections of lesser parts.

I think Chevey and Jets fans are bracing to wait this out. Good thing. It could take time.

 

[Snowman]

I'm glad a WPG fan here understands this, considering the other guy was literally cursing at us for making trade proposals that didn't involved Victor Hedman.

Trouba was a top 10 pick, WPG obviously wants someone they invested a huge decision with a top 10 pick on playing for them. And if you want him staying in WPG, he's just going to a be an unenthused distraction. The guys in the room know he doesn't want to be there, Trouba himself does, and at this point the whole hockey world does. I wouldn't want a guy like that on my team.

In terms of "ho hum" trades and picks. Getting sent a first round prospect and a first round pick isn't "ho hum" by any means. If Chevy wants LHD, he can get a LHD, he just isn't going to get a lateral move defenseman out of it.

Which is why something like Svechnikov+XO/Smith+1st/2nd is SOMEWHAT reasonable. You get a first round center prospect, an NHL ready LHD for your D depth, and a 1st rounder out of it.

The only problem with that is that it doesn't benefit the Jets at all, so it won't happen. No matter how much other fans hope and wish that they'll get Trouba for a hot bunch of nothing.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Again Chevy is not going to let a RFA that is under his control for 4 more years dictate to him where he plays. He either signs or he sits, who loses the most under that scenario?

you cant honestly believe either of these two things;

1. trouba has no say in where he plays
2- that trouba would honestly be made to sit and "rot in europe" for the next four years if he dosent do as Chevy tells him to

come on, take the emotion(anger, disappointment, bitterness etc) out of it

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Lol Eklund saying that Toronto and Arizona are finalist for Trouba and a deal could go down next week. Sure Eklund that means that neither will get Trouba must be the Eklund is needing more hits on HockeyBuzz.

 

[Evil Little]

Because the way Cheveldayoff is handling this situation now why would Trouba want to come back and play. Chevy knowing full well that Trouba seek a trade back in May and it's only coming to light now.

Because if they don't trade him and he doesn't sign with the Jets he loses a season of his prime earnings (minus whatever he earns overseas).

Wrong the Jets only have Trouba controlled for 4 more years until he turns 27 on February 26 so Trouba can play in the KHL for 4 years and return when he's a UFA he's a UFA after 4 more years not 5 and then the Jets don't have a say.

Well, 4 years after this season. Yes.

He turns 23 on February 26th; he'll turn 27 on February 26th, 2021. (Provided he's qualified as an RFA) the earliest he can sign an NHL contract as a UFA is July 1st, going into the '21/'22 season.

A little under five years from now.

I'm glad a WPG fan here understands this, considering the other guy was literally cursing at us for making trade proposals that didn't involved Victor Hedman.

Trouba was a top 10 pick, WPG obviously wants someone they invested a huge decision with a top 10 pick on playing for them. And if you want him staying in WPG, he's just going to a be an unenthused distraction. The guys in the room know he doesn't want to be there, Trouba himself does, and at this point the whole hockey world does. I wouldn't want a guy like that on my team.

In terms of "ho hum" trades and picks. Getting sent a first round prospect and a first round pick isn't "ho hum" by any means. If Chevy wants LHD, he can get a LHD, he just isn't going to get a lateral move defenseman out of it.

Which is why something like Svechnikov+XO/Smith+1st/2nd is SOMEWHAT reasonable. You get a first round center prospect, an NHL ready LHD for your D depth, and a 1st rounder out of it.

"First round prospect" doesn't mean anything. "Top ten pick" doesn't mean anything.

After players are drafted, their values change and Trouba is too valuable to the Jets to just get whatever for him.

And regarding the bolded, every Jets fan is saying they don't want forwards. You're wasting keystrokes.

If that's the case then the Jets are in a bit of a box.

Trouba is a good unsigned player with a me-first sense of entitlement and an aggresive agent. Twenty-nine other teams are not likely too interested in giving up their most talented young defencemen to buy into that package.

They would probably offer collections of lesser parts.

I think Chevey and Jets fans are bracing to wait this out. Good thing. It could take time.

Agreed.

Thankfully, the Jets aren't looking to contend this year.

They are, however, looking to contend before young prospects and picks start to pan out, so that's not a return option, either.

 

[Gotaf7]

WPG doesn't have their former top 10 draft pick playing. And they don't get ANY assets or draft picks out of him either. THAT is plenty loss for WPG if you ask me.

The guy doesn't want to be in WPG. Get over it if that offends you.

You want to sign a guy long term that couldn't give two ***** about playing for you guys anymore?? I sure wouldn't

Doesn't offend me one bit, I just don't see Chevy trading him without his name on a cotract.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

The only problem with that is that it doesn't benefit the Jets at all, so it won't happen. No matter how much other fans hope and wish that they'll get Trouba for a hot bunch of nothing.

NO fans are wishing they get trouba for nothing

But I think other fans know for 100% fact two things

- trouba will never ever be forced to sit in europe or at home for the next 4 years if he dosent do as Chevy says
- the chances that a LHD dman of equal billing, talent, and experience will be offered let alone offered from a team trouba would sign long term with

One HAS to begin with that premise otherwise its just emotional not analyitical

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Lol Eklund saying that Toronto and Arizona are finalist for Trouba and a deal could go down next week. Sure Eklund that means that neither will get Trouba must be the Eklund is needing more hits on HockeyBuzz.

those teams could create nice packages for trouba, its not far fetched at all

 

[KBobs]

Doesn't offend me one bit, I just don't see Chevy trading him without his name on a cotract.

It really is an interesting game of chicken.