Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Vitto79]

So I know this has been said but fowler for trouba then trouba for picks , prospects then ducks sign lindholm makes too much sense ?

 

[lomiller1]

I live in the Winnipeg market. I don't undervalue his value or his importance to the team. I was responding to (multiple) posts asking why Jets fans undervalue Fowler. No where in my posts did I mention Trouba--or his value in comparison to Fowler--so how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. You formulated something that never existed; I simply shared my opinion on why the Jets fanbase undervalues Fowler and Lindholm.

And I simply explained that there is no undervaluing of Lindholm or Fowler going on and the real issue is you undervaluing Trouba.

Trouba is better than Fowler, like by a lot. This isn't undervaluing Fowler or saying he's a bad player, he's just isn't a true top pairing and is not as good as Trouba. Lots of good players fit that description

Lindholm is really good and underestimated by many people, he's a #1D right now and looks ready to push into the upper end of #1 D-men. He's more proven than Trouba but the numbers suggest that given similar teammates and roles they would have similar overall performance. (Trouba better offensively Lindholm better defensively.)

 

[Maukkis]

Jets have to be thinking to themselves what the odds are that Trouba changes his mind, and decides to stay in WPG. Yzerman won that gamble in Tampa, but I think it was a different case there.

If Trouba really doesn't want to play in WPG, why keep him around? An unhappy player is a drag on the team. This idea of "punishing" him somehow is silly, especially when it hurts your own team. Move him for the best possible value...don't get hung up on this similarly aged and talented LHD, which limits your return.

He isn't around. He's sitting on his couch, watching TV, playing with his dog or something. We have NOTHING to gain from even trying to get him to sign, as he won't do that. We also have nothing to gain from trading him for forwards - the ones who would upgrade our team aren't available. A goalie is also a no-no, as we have Hellebuyck to protect.

Defense is the only option. If it's a high end prospect we end up getting, fine. They are needed too, they just aren't as needed as proven talent. (shocking, I know) Anything else would be essentially wasting the best trading chip we have. If Trouba isn't coming back, the option of getting a similar defenseman is pretty much off the table, barring a similar situation elsewhere around the league. A prospect doesn't help us now. So, the question is: why trade Trouba for value, when it a) doesn't help us where we need it the most, or b) doesn't help us at all right now?

Tomorrow (or today depending on timezones), Trouba's holdout has cost him over 100 thousand dollars already. It adds up quickly. And in the end, he didn't want to sign. He's sacrificing that money himself, so I don't know what are you trying to say with the punishment stuff.

 

[lomiller1]

Jets have to be thinking to themselves what the odds are that Trouba changes his mind, and decides to stay in WPG. Yzerman won that gamble in Tampa, but I think it was a different case there.

If Trouba really doesn't want to play in WPG, why keep him around? An unhappy player is a drag on the team. This idea of "punishing" him somehow is silly, especially when it hurts your own team. Move him for the best possible value...don't get hung up on this similarly aged and talented LHD, which limits your return.

It has nothing to do with punishing him. They are not about to trade him just to make him happy or make other fan basses happy they got him cheep. They will trade him if/when there is a trade that helps the team and the Jets needs are pretty specific right now. There isn't a lot else that really helps them long term so he's going to have to wait until a suitable trade is there to be made.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So I know this has been said but fowler for trouba then trouba for picks , prospects then ducks sign lindholm makes too much sense ?

Because right now Anaheim has only about $400,000 trading Fowler alone wont clear up enough cap to resign Lindholm more then likely Fowler+Stoner+Despres would all need to go and BM would need to bring in a top 6 LW who's on a cheap ELC to make it work don't forget Anaheim isn't a cap team their cap is usually around $5 million under the current cap so more or less their internal budget would be set around $68 million give or take.

 

[Mattilaus]

So I know this has been said but fowler for trouba then trouba for picks , prospects then ducks sign lindholm makes too much sense ?

Why would the ducks not just trade Fowler for picks and prospects if that's what they wanted? Makes no sense to trade Fowler for Trouba just to trade Trouba anyways.

 

[Yzerman1919*]

Because right now Anaheim has only about $400,000 trading Fowler alone wont clear up enough cap to resign Lindholm more then likely Fowler+Stoner+Despres would all need to go and BM would need to bring in a top 6 LW who's on a cheap ELC to make it work don't forget Anaheim isn't a cap team their cap is usually around $5 million under the current cap so more or less their internal budget would be set around $68 million give or take.

Trade Fowler to Detroit for Mantha. He's on a cheap contract, he's big, he's got a track record of scoring. THEN, we need to package Ericsson or Howard with a draft pick to a team to take one of them IF possible, which probably won't happen.

Yeah, Holland screwed us badly.

 

[Yzerman1919*]

In terms of Trouba though, Bryan Little is now out indefinitely and he's seemingly becoming injury prone.

Would WPG be interested in a deal around Sheahan or Svech? You know Helm isn't going anywhere.

Sheahan+Russo+1st?

Svech+Russo+2nd?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trade Fowler to Detroit for Mantha. He's on a cheap contract, he's big, he's got a track record of scoring. THEN, we need to package Ericsson or Howard with a draft pick to a team to take one of them IF possible, which probably won't happen.

Yeah, Holland screwed us badly.

I would gladly do a Mantha and Detroit's 2017 2nd rounder for Cam Fowler but Kronwall would need to be on LTIR to be able to fit Fowler under the cap. I don't know about you but Kronwall doesn't look good to me he's skating very gingerly and he's not taking any contact. I doubt that he will be back in action any time soon.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

In terms of Trouba though, Bryan Little is now out indefinitely and he's seemingly becoming injury prone.

Would WPG be interested in a deal around Sheahan or Svech? You know Helm isn't going anywhere.

Sheahan+Russo+1st?

Svech+Russo+2nd?

The only problem here is that Russo is RHD and Cheveldayoff wants LHD, Would probably do a deal around Sheahan really don't want to give up Svechnikov he's looking like the real deal here.

 

[Gotaf7]

in terms of trouba though, bryan little is now out indefinitely and he's seemingly becoming injury prone.

Would wpg be interested in a deal around sheahan or svech? You know helm isn't going anywhere.

Sheahan+russo+1st?

Svech+russo+2nd?

we don't need wingers!

 

[kxx]

Thinking with Little's injury and depending how our depth centre work out, a good young center may be considered by the Jets for Trouba. Will take a few weeks before I could see them saying "Yeah now we need help with Center" but its possible.

 

[Evil Little]

In terms of Trouba though, Bryan Little is now out indefinitely and he's seemingly becoming injury prone.

Thinking with Little's injury and depending how our depth centre work out, a good young center may be considered by the Jets for Trouba. Will take a few weeks before I could see them saying "Yeah now we need help with Center" but its possible.

Disagree, vehemently. The Jets have centres in their prospect pool. Give them a chance. Between Burmistrov, Petan, Copp, De Leo, and Matthias there're many options to cover for Little even with a temporary downgrade. That's what injuries do, by the way.

The Jets' prospect pool has zero high end D, now that Morrissey is playing. Trouba was being counted on to fill a huge role on the team's young core and trading for lesser young D or forwards opens that hole back up. And it won't be filled by Poolman, Niku, or Kostalek. I'm guessing not Stanley, either.

 

[Yzerman1919*]

we don't need wingers!

Neither of those players are wingers. Sheahan is 110% a center man, and he is only on the wing right now due to line shuffling and KH's stupidity re-signing Darren Helm.

Svech+Marchenko+2nd for Trouba?

Svech=VERY promising big bodied young center
Marchenko=LHD depth

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Neither of those players are wingers. Sheahan is 110% a center man, and he is only on the wing right now due to line shuffling and KH's stupidity re-signing Darren Helm.

Svech+Marchenko+2nd for Trouba?

Svech=VERY promising big bodied young center
Marchenko=LHD depth

Only problem here Marchenko is RHD not LHD that would be like Ouellet=LHD depth.

 

[Gotaf7]

Holy **** what is so hard to understand the MAIN piece coming has to be top 4 Dman,
we have forward depth we don't need forwards. Chevy waits Trouba signs and then gets traded for a Dman that helps us now not 3 years from now.

 

[Yzerman1919*]

Only problem here Marchenko is RHD not LHD that would be like Ouellet=LHD depth.

You are right. Since when do we have RHD

Svech+XO+2nd for Trouba.

 

[tacogeoff]

Holy **** what is so hard to understand the MAIN piece coming has to be top 4 Dman,
we have forward depth we don't need forwards. Chevy waits Trouba signs and then gets traded for a Dman that helps us now not 3 years from now.

The issue is there are not a lot of top 4 LD aged 20-24 that teams would be willing to give up for a RD. I personally don't believe we will see a parallel trade at all when a deal is done unless there are multiple pieces involved and we lose in the forward trade to entice a team to give up a top 4 LD that is equal to trouba.

 

[Yzerman1919*]

Holy **** what is so hard to understand the MAIN piece coming has to be top 4 Dman,
we have forward depth we don't need forwards. Chevy waits Trouba signs and then gets traded for a Dman that helps us now not 3 years from now.

First off, you really that mad to be cursing about it?? Chill out big guy. It's a hypothetical trade proposal on an internet forum.

And why? Because you aren't going to get it. It's a lateral move for just about any team. Maata for Trouba? Lateral. DDK for Trouba? Lateral. Fowler for Trouba is about the ONLY one that makes halfway sense but cap wise it makes NONE so it won't happen. It's not happening. Trouba is overvalued way too much.

So if you guys want to improve your LHD, you probably aren't going to be getting a Krug or Barrie back. Literally makes 0 sense. Hence why people are proposing great prospects, draft picks, and some form of a defenseman in the trade.

Your defense corps has Big Buff, Enstrom, Myers, Morrissey. You don't NEED a top 4 d-man realistically. Compare that to half the teams in this league, you guys are doing okay...

 

[New York RKY]

Brady Skjei looked really good his first game of the year, just sayin....

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

You are right. Since when do we have RHD

Svech+XO+2nd for Trouba.

The only problem with this is, Unless Kronwall goes on LTIR for the next 3 years or so plus we would still need another decent priced player going the other way to be able to afford to resign Trouba considering that he's seeking around $5.5 million to $6 million per long term.

 

[allan5oh]

Holy **** what is so hard to understand the MAIN piece coming has to be top 4 Dman,
we have forward depth we don't need forwards. Chevy waits Trouba signs and then gets traded for a Dman that helps us now not 3 years from now.

Or maybe Chevy is waiting to see how Morrissey pans out. If he does guess what? The available trade options expands greatly.

 

[Homesick]

So I know this has been said but fowler for trouba then trouba for picks , prospects then ducks sign lindholm makes too much sense ?

Why not just trade Fowler(Who's contract will be much easier to move) for picks and prospects instead of helping out a WC rival with their overrated problem child?
Now that makes too much sense.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

The issue is there are not a lot of top 4 LD aged 20-24 that teams would be willing to give up for a RD. I personally don't believe we will see a parallel trade at all when a deal is done unless there are multiple pieces involved and we lose in the forward trade to entice a team to give up a top 4 LD that is equal to trouba.

this

their is about a 5% chance the jets will land a dman of the same age, talent and experience as Trouba but that plays on the Left, very few if any exist let alone are on teams who would want trouba OR that Trouba would sign long term with

so then what? A prospect dman from Philly perhaps? ok thats not a bad idea but then again thats a trade ONLY for futures and is that what Chevy wants and if so, could someone else put together a better trade involving "futures"

ohh and as always, trouba MUST still agree to sign long term

Chevy controls IF trouba is dealt
Trouba controls where HE is willing to sign

 

[Gotaf7]

this

their is about a 5% chance the jets will land a dman of the same age, talent and experience as Trouba but that plays on the Left, very few if any exist let alone are on teams who would want trouba OR that Trouba would sign long term with

so then what? A prospect dman from Philly perhaps? ok thats not a bad idea but then again thats a trade ONLY for futures and is that what Chevy wants and if so, could someone else put together a better trade involving "futures"

ohh and as always, trouba MUST still agree to sign long term

Chevy controls IF trouba is dealt
Trouba controls where HE is willing to sign

How do you figure that!